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Hi Everyone -- I recently cut the cord from D* and am installing an over-the-air antenna that I'd like to run through the existing D* cabling.

I've searched around the SatelliteGuys forums and many of the posts say I should be able to plug my new over-the-air antenna directly into my former D* cabling and have the antenna work. Unfortunately, it doesn't and there must be some small nuance I'm overlooking.

I recently bought a model OUS00-0681 1byone Outdoor Amplified Antenna (rated for 60 miles; I'm 45 miles away from broadcast towers). This antenna works fine (30 channels) if I connect the antenna using the 20-foot RG-6U cable that came with the antenna directly to the back of a TV, with no splitters or amplifiers in the line.

However, when I connect to the RG-6 cable that was my existing D* cabling (it was installed less than three years ago and worked fine with D* high def service, which I just cancelled), there is zero signal and no channels acquired (with the antenna in the same exact roof position as when it worked on the direct television connection).

I tried the D* cabling both with and without the D* 1 to 4 splitter (model MSPLIT4R1-03) that was left behind. I also directly connected (using a simple RG-6 cable connector) the D* RG-6 line from the dish (about a 50-foot run) to an inside RG-6 cable previously used with my D* service on a TV, bypassing the splitter. Same thing -- no signal at all.

I have also tried this setup with and without the DirecTV Power Inverter (model PI21R1-03) in the line that was left behind, to no avail. I also used the supplied 1byone powered external amplifier where the line connects to the TV using all of these previously described combinations. Nothing works other than a direct connection with the 1byone RG-6C cable from the antenna only to a single TV.

The existing three-year-old D* cabling has this printed on it: Perfect Vision 80SC RG-6 18AWG 75oC CATV/CL2 E232510(UL) CM.

Does anyone have any suggestions how I can get this to work on my existing DirecTV cabling? I will eventually be using the antenna signal split three ways to three TVs, with cable runs (after the splitter) of approximately 10, 20, and 40 feet. I am planning to plug the 1byone powered external amplifier into the incoming line from the antenna then into the input for the signal splitter.

This is maddening, eh?!

Thanks!
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Thanks for the ideas, harshness, danristheman, JosephB, and mdram.

I found the problem in the DirecTV line - a bent center conductor up at the roof connection going into the antenna. I replaced the F connector there and the signal came through. I used a coax continuity tester and was able to confirm all of the lines work from the individual TVs to the point where they would connect to the splitter.

The problem is now at the signal splitter. It must have significant signal drain, as the TV connections get 30 channels when plugged directly into the line from the antenna, then drops to about six channels when connected through the splitter. (Both the left-behind D* splitter and a new LeGrand 4-way digital splitter with -7dB out loss at each out port, provided similar signal loss results.)

I've tried the powered external amplifier supplied with the 1byone antenna (no specs are provided on the amplifier or the paperwork), and it totally blocks the signal, whether I put it between the line in from the antenna connecting directly to a single TV, or put it just before the splitter, or put it just after the splitter connected to my longest line run (about 40 feet +/-). I get zero channels on any TV when the amplifier is included. (I'm about 45 miles from the signals, and this omni-directional antenna is rated for 60 miles.)

**Does anyone know if there is a better type of amplifier out there that might solve the significant signal loss, that can be installed inside the house for powering? Should it be plugged into the line just before it enters the splitter?
boba
Thanks for the ideas, harshness, danristheman, JosephB, and mdram.

I found the problem in the DirecTV line - a bent center conductor up at the roof connection going into the antenna. I replaced the F connector there and the signal came through. I used a coax continuity tester and was able to confirm all of the lines work from the individual TVs to the point where they would connect to the splitter.

The problem is now at the signal splitter. It must have significant signal drain, as the TV connections get 30 channels when plugged directly into the line from the antenna, then drops to about six channels when connected through the splitter. (Both the left-behind D* splitter and a new LeGrand 4-way digital splitter with -7dB out loss at each out port, provided similar signal loss results.)

I've tried the powered external amplifier supplied with the 1byone antenna (no specs are provided on the amplifier or the paperwork), and it totally blocks the signal, whether I put it between the line in from the antenna connecting directly to a single TV, or put it just before the splitter, or put it just after the splitter connected to my longest line run (about 40 feet +/-). I get zero channels on any TV when the amplifier is included. (I'm about 45 miles from the signals, and this omni-directional antenna is rated for 60 miles.)

**Does anyone know if there is a better type of amplifier out there that might solve the significant signal loss, that can be installed inside the house for powering? Should it be plugged into the line just before it enters the splitter?
A 7dB loss means each output has less than 1/4th the signal coming out that goes in. When an amplifier blocks output signals frequently it means a power loss, no AC power means no amplification.
harshness
When an amplifier blocks output signals frequently it means a power loss, no AC power means no amplification.
Inline amps use DC power, not AC.

The other possibility is the amplifier being installed backward.
boba
Inline amps use DC power, not AC.

The other possibility is the amplifier being installed backward.
Most people have AC power coming out of the wall, then a wall wart to convert it to DC.
Claude Greiner
Are you trying to use the directv green label splitter?

That may be the issue because I don't believe they where designed to pass the lower frequencies
harshness
That may be the issue because I don't believe they where designed to pass the lower frequencies
As I understand it, green label splitters are unique in that they're designed to carry lower frequencies between output legs. Whatever you do with SWM, you still need, the 2.3MHz control and DECA (MoCA D) channels, right?
harshness
Most people have AC power coming out of the wall, then a wall wart to convert it to DC.
If you're considering the PI as part of the pre-amp "kit", you might be justified in that argument. From that perspective it would have been better to suggest that maybe the PI wasn't powered.
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Thanks, everyone, for your help. Problem is solved now! I removed the DirecTV green label splitter (I had tried all possible combinations of the DirecTV splitter, the DirecTV SWM, a non-DirecTV 4-way splitter, and the ibyone AC-powered amplifier) and got a distribution amp I bought at Lowe's in the TV cabling section (thanks for the suggestion on the direct-connect amplifier, harshness! Walmart did not carry these amplifiers in the store, nor did Home Depot) that replaces all splitters. The line from the satellite gets plugged into this amp, and the lines to the TVs also get plugged in directly to the amp. That gave an extra 10 dB per TV line, and raised the channels available to about 40. Worked perfectly!

Only weird quirk (for anybody that comes across this post in the future): we're about 45 miles from both NYC and Philly and neither city's Fox stations come in at all, although they should at that distance. The antennas are in the same places as the other stations (that come in strongly) in both markets. Fox must use under-powered signals in both cities. Bummer, as it's Super Bowl Sunday and the game is on Fox! Will jury-rig a screen cast from a website carrying the game.

One note of caution for anyone buying a 1byone product: their customer service is incredibly poor. I ran this entire initial scenario past them via their email help service. It took them nearly a week to respond, and when they did, they merely asked me for my "order number" to "help" them provide better assistance; no other help provided. I had supplied them with all product numbers and my eBay user name (as I bought it through eBay and they asked for that if it was purchased through eBay) when I submitted my question. That was a strange request as their product is their product, no matter where it was purchased. Expect zero help, and a significant delay to find out they offer zero help.

The SatelliteGuys board comes through AGAIN!
harshness
WNYW seems limited in its power at 246KW and that's probably because it shares a frequency (RF44) with WMCN.

WTXF, on the other hand, is booming in comparison at 620KW and doesn't appear to be competing for a frequency (RF42).

Going forward, both of these stations (along with a half dozen, give or take, others) will have to move down in frequency as part of the repack that will squeeze all OTA TV into channels 2-36.
Trip
Only weird quirk (for anybody that comes across this post in the future): we're about 45 miles from both NYC and Philly and neither city's Fox stations come in at all, although they should at that distance. The antennas are in the same places as the other stations (that come in strongly) in both markets. Fox must use under-powered signals in both cities.

Without knowing exactly where you are, it's hard to say exactly. Fox is running 990 kW out of New York, but as harshness suggests, it's co-channel with WMCN in the Philadelphia market. If you get 44-1, you won't get Fox 5. In Philadelphia, it's running 620 kW. If you're too close to WNJT, however, the adjacent channel interference from 52-1 could be causing you difficulties.

Can you post a TVFool plot?

- Trip
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Bobby
Rest in peace.
sdfntx
Sorry to hear this. R.I.P.
FTA4PA
R.I.P.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Dancing in the Street - Van Halen
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Bakers Street - Gerry Rafferty
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Bakers Street - Gerry Rafferty
Let me fix that for you:
Baker Street - Gerry Rafferty
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The 59th Street Bridge Song -- Simon & Garfunkel
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52nd Street - Billy Joel
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My OTA is not working anymore. This started after the latest update. I have the OTA dongle with a OTA antenna that I've been using for years. My hopper does not recognize the dongle anymore and when I go to the OTA setting, it has a screen that says to plug a dongle into the USB. I tried unplugging and plugging back, in the same usb port and other ports. The Hopper does not recognize it. Anyone have same issue?
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dishstaller
Installed an off-air antenna a couple days ago for a customer who had just cancelled his Dish service. He had a dual off-air adapter and gave it to me. Cool. I'll keep it on the truck....might come in handy. Got to admit I don't watch anything as far as live tv goes anymore. Even if we have severe weather, our local channels will have a live feed on Youtube.
navychop
In other news, it was announced that the software fix for the two tin cans and a string will not be forthcoming. A hardware fix is required. However, that fix will let you receive stations from a gazillion miles away.

Truck roll charges may apply. Two year commitment required.
brittanygarden
Hi all. If you were using a single tuner USB OTA adapter that is no longer working, please PM me. Thanks. :)
Jim5506
Hi all. If you were using a single tuner USB OTA adapter that is no longer working, please PM me. Thanks. :)
I have the dual tuner OTA adapter currently connected, but I have 2 of the single tuner OTA adapters that I can quickly connect - neither is seen by my H3.
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Got the dual tuner OTA adapter, was able to set it up and get back my OTA channels. Thanks to everyone and extra thanks to the DISH reps in this forum!
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.
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Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.
Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.
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Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.
Jerry made himself General Manager after he bought the team but make no mistake Jimmy engineered that trade. As well as a lot of others at the time.
rvvaquero
Jimmy Johnson is a football guy. Jerry Jones is a marketer (hustler).

When I see a football player get a 15 yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct (like taunting) in a close game, I often wonder what he was thinking. Was he thinking, I'm doing everything I can to make this a better team and help win a championship? Or, was he saying to himself, I want everyone to notice how great I am?

Johnson inspires one, Jones the other.
meStevo
Got to unfurl and hold the flag at Allegiant for the anthem today - amazing experience.
HipKat
Balls
Bears. Gave the Pats a good beatdown.
Bucs. Got Baker back and absolutely demolished the previously surprising Panthers.
Falcons. Took care of the 49ers and did so convincingly.
Vikings. I hate them. I do. I've never seen such a bad/good team. Know what I mean? I know their D is epic. But their O is insulting. How they remain undefeated is a mystery.
Rams. Finally looked the part. Mind you against the hapless Cards.
Cowboys. Fireworks performance from their O.
Dolphins. Finally logged in a W. There won't be many. Enjoy it, Miami fans.
Browns. Still atop the AFC North.
Giants. Epic OT win with Buffalo's very own Motor Singletary finishing it off.
Seattle. Dominated KC from start to finish.

Goats
Jets. Couldn't beat the winless Dolphins. Aaron Glenn is a dead man walking.
Eagles. Injured beyond repair
Ravens and Lamar. Has he ever played a full season? Honestly, dude is fragile. Of course he's back for the Bills game.
49ers. No longer undefeated.
Colts. A sh*t show. When are they gonna realize that Daniel Jones is ass?
Steelers vs Saints game. Ass, just ass all around. Those poor people in Paris have had enough lately, and on top of that, endure that game.
Chiefs. They looked terrible. Like really bad.
Pack vs. Detroit game refs. Some of the worst refereeing I've seen in a long time. And the sample is pretty large.
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Interesting article about the work being done to develope an ATSC 3 converter box. Yes it does mention affordable.
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primestar31
DEATH TO NEXGEN!
star trek GIF


It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.

There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
navychop
I truly hope you are right.
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Mister B
What bothers me is the total waste of broadcasting spectrum in this very crowded market. It has been almost three years now since KFOX converted their broadcast tower to ATSC 3.0 and moved all of their channels to other towers causing noticeable degradation of the picture quality.
I have a Sony TV with 3.0 capabilities but still use the 1.0 version of locals due to the fact that one or all of the 3.0 channels are often missing or unwatchable. In this city of 800K I doubt that more than a few hundred even know about ATSC 3.0.
The only thing that could motivate me to be interested in 3.0 would be if all of the minor networks (diginets) could be in at least 720P rather than blurry ultra-compressed 480i.
Three years is long enough to waste one of the few available RF frequencies in the area for this trial.
It is time to either move on with this experiment or call it quits.
navychop
In this city of 800K I doubt that more than a few hundred even know about ATSC 3.0.

They might notice the hand going into their pocket for their wallet.
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navychop
It is time to either move on with this experiment or call it quits.

QFT. Of course, my preference involves a curb and some kicking.
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star trek GIF


It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.

There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
WHAT ABOUT THE INTERNET PART OF IT. NO ONE WANTS A BOX CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET EITHER.
TRG
TRG
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dishdude
It's probably been 2 decades since I've listened to an AM radio station. Very rarely listen to FM any more.
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I am 1 that wants the AM to Stay ....
That said, since '08 I have had Sat radio available to me ... I think I have turned on AM 3 or 4 times, just to see if its still there.

Fwiw, if theres a Major disaster or bad weather or whatever, the chances of me finding out about it by going to the AM side of the radio is SLIM and None.
Even FM, I haven't really had on since '13ish, I may turn it on from time to time, just to see if its still there.
harshness
Fwiw, if theres a Major disaster or bad weather or whatever, the chances of me finding out about it by going to the AM side of the radio is SLIM and None.
Automation has seen to that. You can't get evening drive traffic reports where I live, much less disaster reports.
dishstaller
Very rarely listen to FM any more
That goes for a lot of people. I've been advertising on radio for more than a decade now and am very familiar with this subject. While it is still a valuable tool, it has far less impact than it did just a few years ago. The best reaction I get is from a local Country music station....they play a mix of older and newer music and have a very big footprint.
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That goes for a lot of people. I've been advertising on radio for more than a decade now and am very familiar with this subject. While it is still a valuable tool, it has far less impact than it did just a few years ago. The best reaction I get is from a local Country music station....they play a mix of older and newer music and have a very big footprint.
Do you do any Ad's on Satellite ?

If Not, why not, because it's not Local ?
dishstaller
Do you do any Ad's on Satellite ?

If Not, why not, because it's not Local ?
No, just regular FM stations. One is the country station I mentioned and the other is a Talk Radio station which used to get fantastic results but honestly, since the death of Rush Limbaugh, talk radio just doesn't do as well. There were two guys who had an early morning show which was hugely popular here in the southeast but one of them retired a couple years ago and the show just doesn't garner the same numbers as it used to.
S
Haven't listened AM or FM in years
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JSheridan
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I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.
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Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.
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Jimbo
Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.
Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.
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Mister B
Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.
I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.
S
I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.
can't forget the little blue m&m's
charlesrshell
can't forget the little blue m&m's
That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!
T
Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
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Foxbat
Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
Because he didn't have a fleet of reusable rockets. Starlink works because SpaceX is able to launch hundreds (thousands?) of their Starlink satellites for what a single geostationary Internet satellite costs to build and launch on a disposable launcher.
T
But how is it reusable if it's disposable
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That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!
My gf is 29 years younger than me :shh
Almighty1
Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
He does not have the resources aka $$$ compared to Elon Musk as in reality, Elon can eat Charlie for lunch or even mop the floor with Charlie if he wanted to.
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ment to 20 yrs dam phone
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