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More 4K is on the way.. :) Read more below..

4K TV broadcasts are coming: here's what you need to know


http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/2/14488608/4k-tv-broadcasts-ajit-pai-atsc-3-hdr
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Harshness ,
"if we were talking about analog video at UHD resolutions, maybe. Since data is data, there's no reason that an old transmitter won't send the latest and greatest data. The trick is using a data scheme that allows you to pack all that information into the channel bandwidth and that happens back at the station; the transmitter just forwards a bitstream."

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Maybe I'm uninformed but I read on more than one occasion from what I believed to be credible web sites that ATSC 2.0 Digital broadcasting and ATSC 3.0 UHD up to HDR 10 HLG can not coexist on the current HDTV RF transmitters which would likely have finite bandwidth limits like any digital device or like common copper coax. cables like RG 59 vs RG6 .
harshness
Maybe I'm uninformed but I read on more than one occasion from what I believed to be credible web sites that ATSC 2.0 Digital broadcasting and ATSC 3.0 UHD up to HDR 10 HLG can not coexist on the current HDTV RF transmitters which would likely have finite bandwidth limits like any digital device or like common copper coax. cables like RG 59 vs RG6 .
I think I partially misinterpreted what you were trying to communicate in my previous reply so I'll take another run at it:

The various broadcast standards (NTSC, DTV, ATSC 3.0) are necessarily incompatible. DTV and ATSC 3.0 both involve multiplexing multiple program streams together in a single bitstream and of course NTSC sent only one uncompressed AM video stream along side an FM audio stream.

So your recollection that UHD had anything to do with compatibility is absolutely false. The incompatibility comes from the fact that the different broadcast standards simply aren't compatible. The UHD HDR/WCG issue is entirely that of not having enough brandwidth available in a TV channel.
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I think I partially misinterpreted what you were trying to communicate in my previous reply so I'll take another run at it:

The various broadcast standards (NTSC, DTV, ATSC 3.0) are necessarily incompatible. DTV and ATSC 3.0 both involve multiplexing multiple program streams together in a single bitstream and of course NTSC sent only one uncompressed AM video stream along side an FM audio stream.

So your recollection that UHD had anything to do with compatibility is absolutely false. The incompatibility comes from the fact that the different broadcast standards simply aren't compatible. The UHD HDR/WCG issue is entirely that of not having enough bandwidth available in a TV channel.

I want arguing that UHD by itself won't fit in a 6 mhz TV channel bandwidth MPEG-H HEVC / H.265 will assure that only that I thought I read current HDTV TV transmitters can not transmit Mpeg 2 or H.264/MPEG-4 AVC ATSC 2.0 720p/1080i / 480i and ATSC 3.0 up to 2160p HDR HLG MPEG-H HEVC / H.265 all on the same RF transmitters .


What about the spectrum will ATSC 3.0 need its own radio radio spectrum alongside ATSC 2.0 for a time that they may co exist or will HDTV and 480i SD Digital TV fit in the ATSC 3.0 radio spectrum alongside UHD TV all with MPEG-H HEVC / H.265 but that will need ne RF tuners either way .

I'm no expert and I'm not making the arguments beyond what I think I read .
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What about the spectrum will ATSC 3.0 need its own radio radio spectrum alongside ATSC 2.0 for a time that they may co exist or will HDTV and 480i SD Digital TV fit in the ATSC 3.0 radio spectrum alongside UHD TV all with MPEG-H HEVC / H.265 but that will need ne RF tuners either way .

I'm no expert and I'm not making the arguments beyond what I think I read .

Wording it another way my question is will ATSC 3.0 up to 4K HDR HLG MPEG-H HEVC / H.265 and 480i to 1080i HDTV fit in the the same physical layer and TV transmitter as the core HDTV transmission system today ?
navychop
No commercial station is transmitting ATSC 2.0. Transmissions are ATSC 1.0.

From ATSC.org:

"By way of background, the ATSC 2.0 effort was undertaken by TG1 as a result of direction from the ATSC board of directors in 2010 to:

"…develop comprehensive standards for the next generation of fixed-broadcast digital television (DTV) services…[which] shall be carried in DTV broadcast channels and the presence of these services shall not preclude or interfere with proper operation of current ATSC services in the same RF channel or have any adverse impact on legacy receiving equipment."

Simply put, ATSC 2.0 is a new set of backwards-compatible tools and features that can be carried over the ATSC 1.0 RF layer and MPEG-TS Transport Stream without negatively impacting fielded receivers. TG1 embarked on new work that included a number of new features and technology ultimately codified in the A/107 ATSC standard and its subordinate specifications."
harshness
Wording it another way my question is will ATSC 3.0 up to 4K HDR HLG MPEG-H HEVC / H.265 and 480i to 1080i HDTV fit in the the same physical layer and TV transmitter as the core HDTV transmission system today ?
Your questions are hard to answer because they impose impossible conditions but I'll repeat my answers because I think I have you figured out:

Repeat after me: You cannot mix NTSC, DTV or ATSC 3.0 (or any other modulation scheme so conceived and so dedicated) on the same RF TV channel.

By definition, each modulation scheme consumes an entire TV channel. That said, the transmitter is simply relaying bits; is doesn't care which modulation method is used (as long as it is understood that, like in the Highlander movies, "there can be only one").

You can't fit full 3840x2160 with HDR and WCG in with anything else in 18.3Mbps and hope to reap the benefits. I'm of a mind that h.265 will never get to the point where it can encode 3840x2160p with HDR and WCG in real time to fit in a TV channel. You CAN send streams in different resolutions if you're willing to give up quality but then any benefits of UHD will almost certainly be lost. Again, by definition, these streams must all employ h.265 compression.

This is much the same way as it is today with 1080i and 1080p. Blu-ray and other formats employing MPEG4 or better can deliver full 1080p HD but DTV broadcast is limited to 1080i because it is limited to using MPEG2 and only provides the aforementioned 18.3Mbps of bandwidth. The ATSC decreed that 1080p would not be supported with DTV because of this.

The relevant "proposed standard" (one of those elements of ATSC 3.0 that doesn't appear to be cast in stone yet) is A/341. If you want to know what's really going on, read the linked document. It speaks to what will and will not be supported and I have to admit that I'm very disappointed that it isn't slated to support HD with HDR or WCG. I think we could all be pretty happy most of the time with HD that came with these additions; especially if it fit in the bandwidth along with other things we want.
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"Your questions are hard to answer because they impose impossible conditions but I'll repeat my answers because I think I have you figured out:
Repeat after me: You cannot mix NTSC, DTV or ATSC 3.0 (or any other modulation scheme so conceived and so dedicated) on the same RF TV channel.

"By definition, each modulation scheme consumes an entire TV channel."
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I thought that your entire reply was wholly obvious


From your official link noting I was never referring to synthesize HDR content my TV can do all that ,
ATSC S34-168r8 Video – HEVC 17 January 2017
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6.3.2.3 HLG transfer characteristics
For HDR video with the HLG transfer characteristics, the following constraints apply


I asked about more spectrum vis a vis another RF transmitter and RF spectrum or not since you maybe disputed that one transmitter can not do that If I understood correctly prior to reading just above here for simultaneous 480i/HDTV and ATSC 3.0 2160p up to HDR HLG that obviously combined may not fit in a single regulated HDTV channel HEVC notwithstanding at any decent quality below the lower nyquist rate .

Some background you may have a misunderstanding here you may not know beyond what I can read on the web about HLG HDR and ATSC 3.0 anyway as for the other maybe thats debatable this is not my career and I'm not familiar with you .


I understand at an enthusiast level with an electronics education in the late 1960's to 1970 and practical knowledge ,brief TV bench work and some self study going forward PC's starting in early 1980's can build and fix same , some electronics at the board level ,ohm's law ,radio RF propagation and amatuer radio at in part maybe nearly FCC gen class but dated, enthusiast level and my education Digital discrete time signals and IPTV , mpeg compression and audio codecs ,HEVC and so on , electrical conductivity LCD panels ,nyquist rates lower nyquist rates , digital signal sampling ,perceptual lossy encoding , lossless encoding,noise shaping Dolby AC-4 and MPEG-H 3D Audio MPEG-2 / H.262 and MPEG-4 AVC / H.264 video codecs. MPEG-H HEVC / H.265 codec RF modulation and so on.
Not everything about any of this and not any of it at a career level but I can bench TVs ,PC , and some radios and so on ,

From another post of mine here something maybe speculative and factual in case you missed it , it's unofficial ,

AFAIK Hybrid Log-Gamma (HLG) is the ATSC 3.0 proposal under consideration maybe you know something my web links don't or no ? .


** HLG is supported by HDMI 2.0b, HEVC, and VP9 Freeview Play and YouTube.
HLG does not need to use metadata since it is compatible with both SDR displays and HDR displays. HLG can be used with displays of different brightness in a wide range of viewing environments.

** source -Wikipedia -

February 3, 2017 FCC Pushing for ATSC 3.0 Standard for Over-the-Air 4K Broadcasting With HDR
Some of the new broadcast content enhancements that would come with ATSC 3.0 implementation include the already-mentioned capacity for 4K resolution along with HDR (using new broadcast-friendly standards like Hybrid Log Gamma), higher frame rates for content, wide color gamut and even direct-to-mobile device broadcasts of next-generation over-the-air content.


All of these ATSC 3.0 enhancements are still a ways off and while the mainstream 4K TVs of 2017 that are now being released in the U.S don't have ATSC 3.0 tuners, Televisions will start coming with them in 2018 or later if this new broadcast content standard becomes a consumer market reality. Furthermore, while ATSC 3.0 is not designed to be backwards compatible with ATSC 1.0


http://4k.com/news/fcc-pushing-for-...-over-the-air-4k-broadcasting-with-hdr-18459/
Voyager6
Wording it another way my question is will ATSC 3.0 up to 4K HDR HLG MPEG-H HEVC / H.265 and 480i to 1080i HDTV fit in the the same physical layer and TV transmitter as the core HDTV transmission system today ?
From what I have read, ATSC will support one 4K UHD channel OR several HD channels and SD channels. (Looks like they have the same capacity as a sat transponder.) This is using the H.265 compression standard.
http://www.studiodaily.com/2016/11/how-atsc-3-changes-broadcasting-for-the-better-its-not-just-4k/
Making the Right Choice
Broadcasters will have quite a bit of latitude to decide what to do with their ATSC channels. Friedel said a single 6 MGz ATSC 3.0 channel has 36 "capacity units." (That's almost a threefold increase over the original ATSC spec, which offered 13 capacity units.) That means an ATSC 3.0 channel can hold a single UHD program, multiple HD programs (they take up six or 12 units each, depending on frame rate), or up to 36 SD programs.
harshness
I have two adoption questions about UHD broadcasts:

1. Is one channel enough to support a station in a post-repack landscape?

There are relatively few one channel stations left. The battle cry of the ATSC 3.0 proponents has been about buddying up at least until DTV can be sunset (years away). Many of us have witnessed the push-back from DIRECTV temporarily taking channels down to support NFL Sunday Ticket and I'm pretty sure that the OTA dependent viewers aren't going to be any more accepting. As sad as it sounds, we live in a self-righteous world -- even when it comes to "free" stuff.

2. Are these "units" based on theoretical maximums using pre-compressed content or is this something they think they have some hope of achieving using real-time compression?

If you can't present live events like championship sports in UHD until after the DTV sunset, will they be able to sell consumers on upgrading? The mandatory transition to DTV took several years and the first deadline had to be extended by a few months. Why would anyone assume that a voluntary transition would go much faster absent the "big win" of something noticeably better (i.e. DTV's HD with surround sound versus NTSC's best SD and stereo sound)? I assume that UHD sports video at 24fps isn't going to be a killer app.
Gary Toma
Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum
The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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Now testing on the stream server:
WJBF-D2 CW Augusta GA
KSVI-D2 CW Billings MT
WETM-D2 CW Elmira NY
WJET-D2 CW Erie PA
KLFY-D2 CW Lafayette LA
KARD-D2 CW Monroe LA
WVBT-D2 CW Norfolk VA
WTWO-D2 CW Terre Haute IN
WFXV-D2 CW Utica NY
KFDX-D3 CW Wichita Falls TX
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PISTONS and THUNDER are finally testing on the stream server. PISTONS is showing the Ion/Scripps Sports promo loop filler that their NHL and WNBA feeds have, THUNDER has a "You are watching Thunder+" slate

The Clippers still haven't officially announced their TV plans beyond 10 simulcasts on KTLA, but the NBA's FAQ for ClipperVision is now live. The CLIPPERS feed is currently showing a loop of their Hawaii preseason game.

The Heat still haven't announced their West Palm Beach or Fort Myers affiliates. Since WPLG is streaming the games for free via their app, I doubt we'll be seeing the return of WPLG on stream.

So far nothing testing for the Bucks, Magic, Hawks or Hornets.
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DirecTV Satellite Transponder Updates for Oct 14 2026

Comparison of Transponder Data for Oct 14 2026 vs Oct 07 2026:


No changes in system tables for any transponder tuning parameters.

Changes to the use of defined transponders:

2 Transponders cleared of all Streams::
Net 0 TID 28 Beam NAT + PR is a National Transponder on D16@101, TPN 29
Net 15 TID 15 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D12@103ca, TPN 16

1 Previously unused Transponder with current APG records::
Net 15 TID 128 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D15@103cb, TPN 5

Stream (PID) counts:

LIVE Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
4​
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HD​
262​
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1449​
2​
SD mpeg4​
145​
1​
194​
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SD mpeg2​
433​
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RB​
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Audio​
89​
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Push​
26​
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Slate​
19​
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1​
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TEST Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
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HD​
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SD mpeg4​
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SD mpeg2​
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RB​
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Engr Work​
40​
6​
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The PID count Excel workbook provides much more count detail.

Newly updated tables of Streams on each transponder are available in the DataDigesters TPN Grids

More details of changes in individual channels will follow in the Weekly Analysis
and Gary Toma's Domestic TPN Map Excel files
Weekly Analysis soon
Enjoy
DataDigesters
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Weekly Analysis for 10/14/2026:
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NBA League Pass prep

Some more reshuffles
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The Clippers still haven't officially announced their TV plans beyond 10 simulcasts on KTLA, but the NBA's FAQ for ClipperVision is now live. The CLIPPERS feed is currently showing a loop of their Hawaii preseason game.
They finally announced ClipperVision, it will be on DIRECTV, but they didn't provide a channel number yet.

EDIT: It's going to be on channel 693
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WETM-D2 CW Elmira NY
WJET-D2 CW Erie PA
KLFY-D2 CW Lafayette LA
KARD-D2 CW Monroe LA
WVBT-D2 CW Norfolk VA
WTWO-D2 CW Terre Haute IN
WFXV-D2 CW Utica NY
KFDX-D3 CW Wichita Falls TX
These are now live on stream and weren't testing on satellite as of yesterday:
WETM-DT/19 CW Elmira
WJET-DT/25 CW Erie
KLFY-DT/11 CW Lafayette LA
KARD-DT/15 CW Monroe
WVBT-DT/44 CW Norfolk
WTWO-DT/3 CW Terre Haute
WFXV-DT/34 CW Utica
KFDX-DT/4 CW Wichita Falls
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Bobby
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
This thread is a place to discuss the 4K events that appear on channel 540. We are getting, at this point, one college football game a week. Let's hope there is more coming.
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Guide says Nascar race, I get the baseball game on two channels.
long_time_Dish
Guide says Nascar race, I get the baseball game on two channels.
Yeah, I was bummed. It was supposed to be the NASCAR race in 4K...
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jsmit86
Regarding the no sound bug when watching 4K HDR events or DVR recordings with Dolby set to ON:
I got rolled back to H708 last night after getting an email from the support team. It fixed the bug.

The email indicated that they believed they found the issue, and if the fix works, they would roll it out via an update in the coming weeks.

So... we should see that bug exterminated in the near future.
long_time_Dish
148-04 says the NASCAR race on at noon on Sunday. Be interesting to see if it is.
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Bobby
MLB, Brewers at Dodgers, Thursday 10-15, 6PM PDT, Channel 148-02.
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Foxbat
MLB, Brewers at Dodgers, Thursday 10-15, 6PM PDT, Channel 148-02.
CFB, Notre Dame at BYU, Saturday 10-27, 4:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.
CFB, Ohio State at Indiana, Saturday 10-17, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Arizona State at Texas Tech, Saturday 10-17, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything like those events in our Hopper 3 guide for tonight or Saturday.🙁

I went into the Tools menu and requested a Guide Update. I'll try looking at it after the update completes.

edit — I now have the 148-01 4KFox events for Saturday, but not anything for 148-02 or 148-03 which don't even show as available channels. I do have 148-04 4KUSA.
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Anony55
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.

They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.

Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.

On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.

It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.

I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
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Nebugeater
Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
Former member 208119
lovin my hopper 3 and my wireless joey i can roll the tv all over the house if i wanted to :oops: 🤔
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Former member 208119
Class action.
a hopper 3 with 6 firesticks and or if you wanna spend even more money apple tv's
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Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.
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Nebugeater
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.


Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
Anony55
Well, after nine months of being on pause, I finally figured out that I was wasting $5 a month. So I cancelled. For the first time since 2010, I no longer have a Dish account.

I do have to say that I did appreciate the account pause option. That just gives a person some time to see what the fallout of cancelling will be... without having to go all the way over the cliff first.

Since I never once had an "oh shoot, I need Dish Network for..." moment, the decision was a lot easier.

Funny enough, when I called to cancel (for real, not playing the pricing game), all of a sudden, they were offering me deals that I was told before that I couldn't get without changing out my VIP211k. Now, I could have had those specials with them just sending me a new card for the receiver. LOL!

Of course, my mind was already made up because of having not missed the service while on pause. That, and the fact that I bet the 211k still kills recordings.

All in all, I'm glad that I had Dish for all those years. I just outgrew the need, and they pressed the issue by deleting recordings. I would have eventually went this route without the deleted recordings issue. But, for sure, that did hasten the outcome.

I'll still pop in at this site from time to time. Believe it or not, I still have a C/Ku BUD that I intend on playing with again if life ever slows down.
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Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Rock and Roll Ain't Noise Pollution - AC/DC
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Bobby
Kiss - The Art Of Noise
long_time_Dish
Beautiful Noise - Neil Diamond
sdfntx
White Noise - Jessie Baylin
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White Rabbit - Jefferson Airplane
dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in TV Shows
Hard getting used to the new younger Gibbs, Mark Harmons son had the right look but I understand he didn't want the role.
Still I'm enjoying, pretty good job with Franks.
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KAB
Mark Harmon is coming back as Gibbs in Origins, for the full season. Just saw, Dinozzo too, on NCIS . That will be an interesting writing project.
dfergie
Really good one with OG Gibbs bookending it...
R
Really good one with OG Gibbs bookending it...
Will the OG Gibbs be on NCIS or will Tony be on NCIS Origins?
dfergie
Tony was there at the end of the episode with Gibbs.
Ramy
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
osu1991
AZ.
AZ.
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
Jimbo
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
This will be a SAD DAY when this passes ....

They complained the last year that we had a bunch of Blow Outs in the Playoffs ... heres an idea, lets Double the amount of teams and hope for Closer games ... ya right.

This never should have went past 8 teams, 10 at the most.

Now, I have heard that play in games are being talked about, such as #13 plays #24 and so forth, to cut the field down (why cut it down, just don't expand it.)
I'm not sure exactly how thats going to work out or if it was just someone talking.

They were also talking about starting the Season earlier ...

I really don't like the National Championship game being the end of January ... if the Semi Finals are over New Years, thats fine with the Championship game the next week.
Jimbo
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...
dishstaller
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Can't help but wonder if a worker overlooked checking the harness. I rarely ride a roller coaster anymore but when I do I check the harness myself pretty aggressively.
Can't imagine what the son is going through.

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Jimbo
dishstaller
Had no idea there were that many redundancies built into those restraints.
Jimbo
Had no idea there were that many redundancies built into those restraints.
It makes sense, however, I would want more types of restraints, so if one doesn't work, the other does ... the restraints coming over the shoulder I would have expected ... with a Seat belt as last resort.

Fwiw, I inquired with what they use on Coasters at Cedar Point, various Coasters, different restraints according to what the car and track requires ...

NONE of the Coasters at CP use THAT particular system :)
I'm glad to see ...
dishstaller
with a Seat belt as last resort.
According to the article, when you see a seat belt on a ride like this, it is basically used as a way of making sure the rider isn't too large/fat to safely ride the ride.
Jimbo
According to the article, when you see a seat belt on a ride like this, it is basically used as a way of making sure the rider isn't too large/fat to safely ride the ride.
Well, the over the shoulder support is better, but would require reconfiguring the cars.
Jimbo
Heres an article from the Akron Beacon ... seeing Six Flags has bought Cedar Point and Kings Island, they are included ...
I said earlier that Cedar Point doesn't use this type of seat restraint ... well, it does use it, But the difference is, the ones up here ALSO have the Over the shoulder restraint as well ... like I was suggesting that they should have used with the Goliath.

One of the new(er) one at Cedar point the Gate Keeper, uses the Clam shell .. I have rode it many times and have Mostly felt secure, that ride will stop you part way on the ride and you just hang, till the ride is ready to continue ... I typically ride the Front Car ... when its getting ready, you ARE hanging, in the car, looking down .... it would require 2 separate restraint systems to unlock at the same time to possibly get out of it.

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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Selfish Drake Maye holds back on giving the ball to Bills unlike Jags game, gets the win on the road.
zippyfrog
That image is so true - especially after that Giants/Commanders game yesterday.
dfergie
Some tight games that went to the wire...
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Selfish Drake Maye holds back on giving the ball to Bills unlike Jags game, gets the win on the road.
A big win for the Patriots, and they are now 3-2.

Browns lose a close one with... The Jets. That is a classic Browns loss (granted, any loss is a classic one it seems). 49'ers, Vikings, and Chiefs remain undefeated. The AFC north have a three way tie at 3-2 for second place. :eek:
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
dishstaller
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Wasn't exactly sure where to post this. Just had a customer come in inquiring about internet. He has HughesNet and had heard good things about mine. He asked if we provided email addresses and it kinda caught me off guard. I said he should be able to keep whatever email he had been using....my sister in law is still using a BellSouth email addy and they haven't been around here for many years. He said he had gotten a letter from HughesNet stating that they had until Nov 16th to save, move, forward, whatever, their Hughesnet emails because they would lose them after that date.

I have never heard of a company simply mass-deleting email accounts (the customer still has his HughesNet service). From what I understand, in the past, the company who was ditching their email service simply sold the customer base to a company like Google.

Anyone else getting this letter. He said he would show it to me tomorrow when I go out there and set up his internet.
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Foxbat
Doing a Google of the HughesNet Email notice, it seems that HughesNet has been trying to eliminate hosting emails since 2019. And with HughesNet filing Chapter 11 back in August, it would be a smart move to switch to a more stable Email provider. Even AT&T farmed out their Email to Yahoo! years ago.

SpaceX's Starlink and the Cellular 5G Home Internet solutions have pretty much relegated HughesNet and its high latency, low bandwidth Internet service to History. If Earth had shorter days, maybe a Geostationary Internet Solution might have stood a fighting chance…
dishstaller
Well, I helped him set up a gmail acct....I actually wanted to see what the new process is for setting up a gmail acct since it had been years since I set mine up. Anyway, I showed him how to forward the emails he wanted to keep over.
navychop
If Earth had shorter days,

Wouldn't we then die of old age sooner?

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Foxbat
Wouldn't we then die of old age sooner?

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Still the same number of years, just more Sunsets…😉
K
Even AT&T farmed out their Email to Yahoo! years ago.

I still have one of those although I've been trying to wean myself off it.
JSheridan
Among my many email accounts I still have a .netscape.net which AOL assimilated a while back.