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D12 setup

Is Directv setting up new install with D12 receiver?
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Jimbo
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Where did something say that D* was installing SD recvrs ?
The OP asked about it, didn't say that they were giving him that recvr to open the account ...
If I were to guess whats happening, I'm gonna guess that the Sub got his own recvr and it was SD (D12).

No where in this thread does it say one way or the other.
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Jimbo said:
Where did something say that D* was installing SD recvrs ?
The OP asked about it, didn't say that they were giving him that recvr to open the account ...
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They gave me the SD receiver when I re-opened the account. Post number 8:
crodrules said:
They did that for me in September when I re-opened my account.


Prior to closing my account, they had still been charging me the $10 HD access fee for the H25 (I downgraded when I re-opened the account to avoid that fee.) and I still see that $10 HD fee listed as an upgrade option under Equipment when I log into my account.
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Claude Greiner said:
That's what I said. It's stupid to put out SD equipment when it needs to be changed out in a few years.
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Why? There is no guarantee that the subscriber is going to stick around for a few years. In my case, as soon as the promotional credits that Directv gave me run out, I am gone. (I mostly came back just for the $200 Visa gift card they were offering. Being able to make a point that it is still possible to avoid the HD fee, after fighting with Directv for more than a year over that fee and repeatedly being told by them that they would not let me downgrade, just sweetened the deal.)
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crodrules said:
They gave me the SD receiver when I re-opened the account. Post number 8:



Why? There is no guarantee that the subscriber is going to stick around for a few years. In my case, as soon as the promotional credits that Directv gave me run out, I am gone. (I mostly came back just for the $200 Visa gift card they were offering. Being able to make a point that it is still possible to avoid the HD fee, after fighting with Directv for more than a year over that fee and repeatedly being told by them that they would not let me downgrade, just sweetened the deal.)
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I would have never accepted the D12.
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Jimbo said:
I would have never accepted the D12.
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I requested the D12. That is what I had when I originally signed up for Directv (before I upgraded to the H25) and I wanted to go back to the D12 in order to eliminate the $10 per month HD fee. The minute that Directv stops listing that fee, I will consider upgrading to an HD receiver again.
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I requested the D12. That is what I had when I originally signed up for Directv (before I upgraded to the H25) and I wanted to go back to the D12 in order to eliminate the $10 per month HD fee. The minute that Directv stops listing that fee, I will consider upgrading to an HD receiver again.
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Curious though, how do you even stand it?

Since many if not most of DIRECTV's MPEG-2 SD feeds nowadays are simply down-converts of the HD ones in 16:9 letterbox. Which short of zooming in translates into a window-box image on an HD set of course.

And zooming on DIRECTV's already piss-poor SD picture quality, isn't exactly a great idea.

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crodrules said:
They gave me the SD receiver when I re-opened the account. Post number 8:



Why? There is no guarantee that the subscriber is going to stick around for a few years. In my case, as soon as the promotional credits that Directv gave me run out, I am gone. (I mostly came back just for the $200 Visa gift card they were offering. Being able to make a point that it is still possible to avoid the HD fee, after fighting with Directv for more than a year over that fee and repeatedly being told by them that they would not let me downgrade, just sweetened the deal.)
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There are 4 reasons why...

#1 With the new pricing and the elimination of the HD fee, there is no advantage to using standard equipment. The elimination of the fee was to prevent people from taking SD equipment to avoid the fees.

Now granted there is a $7 primary receiver fee, but again it was done to end what I call stupidity from an uneducated consumer trying to save $10.

We are at the point where there are people out there who do not know that there is a difference between SD and HD. I ask people this all day when selling Comcast and people don't know there is a difference. I have to ask if their tv is flat and rectangular or square and bulky in the back to determine what type of Tv they have.

#2 Since it's almost impossible these days to get an SD television, and with more people getting HD televisions, your really doing the customer a dis-service installing standard equipment.

There are people out there who have HD televisions who have SD equipment and only have SD equipment because when they signed up for service because they didn't understand the difference. When they signed up for service the sales person asked them if they wanted standard equipment or HD equipment. Not knowing the difference, the customer took standard because they likely thought standard equipment was cheaper, which with some providers it is.

But the real issue is that it makes the overall service seem like crap. You get a crappy blurry picture on an HD set with standard equipment. Even worse if it's connected to coax cable channel 3.

Now you got a customer who goes to their friends house, sees a great picture and thinks the issue is their provider, never thinking upgrading equipment is an option.

Why do you think the providers try to push the DVR, on demand and all these other features? They want to create value.

#3 when the customer either gets a new Tv or wants to upgrade, many will switch providers then go the upgrade route.

The fact in many cases you need a new dish, new contract, and may have to pay money frustrates people who think it should be free.

#4 for the customers who do not upgrade, now you need to upgrade them all for free when the time comes to do away with SD. Not only the providers spend money on a truck roll, but there are a small number of customers who either don't want anyone coming in their house, or something will happen with the upgrade which will lead to their cancellation.

I had a lady with Dish who had a model 4000. She was happy with the 4000. I remember the power supply went bad we replaced the power supply after she took the receiver to my office. They finally shut it down due to the card swap, and I ended up selling her a 301 and configured it exactly like her old one so I wouldn't have to go to her house.

Something happened to the 301, Dish insisted to send a tech and she refused.

She cancelled, switched to Directv and she only allowed me to swap the dish. I had to activate the receiver at my store and she would not let me in her house.

But many many many reasons. The less customer interaction the better.
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... I had a lady with Dish who had a model 4000. She was happy with the 4000. I remember the power supply went bad we replaced the power supply after she took the receiver to my office. They finally shut it down due to the card swap, and I ended up selling her a 301 and configured it exactly like her old one so I wouldn't have to go to her house.

Something happened to the 301, Dish insisted to send a tech and she refused.

She cancelled, switched to Directv and she only allowed me to swap the dish. I had to activate the receiver at my store and she would not let me in her house.

But many many many reasons. The less customer interaction the better.
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So when she switched to DIRECTV, but still wouldn't let you in the house ...

What ... she handled any necessary changes to the inside cabling, splitters, connection of the PI, CCK, etc., herself?



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pattykay
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So much to respond to here, so here goes...

HoTat2 said:
Curious though, how do you even stand it?
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Well, with the credits Directv gave me, I now have the Select package for only $11.03 per month, including sales tax. That is not a bad price, even though it is SD-only. I mostly just use Directv to supplement my Dish subscription (Flex Pack without locals or any other add-ons) where I am able to watch the HD feeds for no additional charge.

HoTat2 said:
Since many if not most of DIRECTV's MPEG-2 SD feeds nowadays are simply down-converts of the HD ones in 16:9 letterbox. Which short of zooming in translates into a window-box image on an HD set of course.
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Yes, that is how I watch it. I do not zoom the picture. I have the receiver hooked up to two TV's, one of which is an old SD set in the bedroom, so the letterbox is not so bad on that TV.

Jimbo said:
If You requested that recvr (and got it), then why are people bashing D* about installing a SD recvr, that's what you wanted.
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I am certainly not bashing Directv, for that reason anyway.

HoTat2 said:
Still handing out SD receivers at this late stage which will become doorstops as soon as 1 1/2 years away is obviously bad policy.
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With SD receivers, there is only a one-year commitment required (compared to a two-year commitment for HD receivers) and Directv even waived that commitment requirement to win me back. The credits Directv gave me last that long anyway, so I would not have even had a problem with making a commitment if they had required it.

Jimbo said:
My point was that they were giving out HD recvrs to SD subs years ago, just not activating the HD portion.
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I wish Directv had given me that option. I could have kept the H25 I already had.

Claude Greiner said:
#1 With the new pricing and the elimination of the HD fee, there is no advantage to using standard equipment. The elimination of the fee was to prevent people from taking SD equipment to avoid the fees.

Now granted there is a $7 primary receiver fee, but again it was done to end what I call stupidity from an uneducated consumer trying to save $10.
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The pricing depends on when you originally signed up for service. After reading about this change in the fee structure, I upgraded from the D12 (which I had picked precisely to avoid that $10 fee) to the H25 thinking that as a new HD subscriber, I would not be charged the HD fee. No such luck. I was (and still am) grandfathered under the old fee structure. Directv tries to justify charging me the $10 per month for HD by saying that they are saving me the $7 per month for the first receiver fee. :wtfGiven the choice between the two fees, I would rather pay the $7 than the $10. As it is now, I am no longer paying any equipment fees whatsoever. (just sales tax)

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#4 for the customers who do not upgrade, now you need to upgrade them all for free when the time comes to do away with SD. Not only the providers spend money on a truck roll...
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At first, after I closed my account, Directv told me that they did not want the H25 back, which is why they did not send me a return kit. Then, when my account was re-opened with the D12, they also accidentally reactivated the H25, adding the HD fee back to my account and adding an additional receiver fee. I immediately caught the mistake when I logged into my account that same day, and I did an online chat to get the H25 deactivated and remove those fees. Then, only a few days later, Directv charged me a $45 fee for not returning the H25, so I called them to get them to reverse that fee and send me a box with a pre-paid shipping label so I could return the H25 to them. If they had let me keep the H25 I already had, like they originally said they would after I closed the account, then when the time comes for the forced upgrade to all HD equipment, I could have done the upgrade myself for free. No truck roll would have been required, nor even any shipping and handling charges for Directv to send me the new receiver. Directv blew that chance.

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What ... she handled any necessary changes to the inside cabling, splitters, connection of the PI, CCK, etc., herself?
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I am not surprised. Many people are do-it-yourself-ers for this type of thing, including myself to some extent.
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crodrules said:
So much to respond to here, so here goes...


Well, with the credits Directv gave me, I now have the Select package for only $11.03 per month, including sales tax. That is not a bad price, even though it is SD-only. I mostly just use Directv to supplement my Dish subscription (Flex Pack without locals or any other add-ons) where I am able to watch the HD feeds for no additional charge.


Yes, that is how I watch it. I do not zoom the picture. I have the receiver hooked up to two TV's, one of which is an old SD set in the bedroom, so the letterbox is not so bad on that TV.


I am certainly not bashing Directv, for that reason anyway.


With SD receivers, there is only a one-year commitment required (compared to a two-year commitment for HD receivers) and Directv even waived that commitment requirement to win me back. The credits Directv gave me last that long anyway, so I would not have even had a problem with making a commitment if they had required it.


I wish Directv had given me that option. I could have kept the H25 I already had.


The pricing depends on when you originally signed up for service. After reading about this change in the fee structure, I upgraded from the D12 (which I had picked precisely to avoid that $10 fee) to the H25 thinking that as a new HD subscriber, I would not be charged the HD fee. No such luck. I was (and still am) grandfathered under the old fee structure. Directv tries to justify charging me the $10 per month for HD by saying that they are saving me the $7 per month for the first receiver fee. :wtfGiven the choice between the two fees, I would rather pay the $7 than the $10. As it is now, I am no longer paying any equipment fees whatsoever. (just sales tax)


At first, after I closed my account, Directv told me that they did not want the H25 back, which is why they did not send me a return kit. Then, when my account was re-opened with the D12, they also accidentally reactivated the H25, adding the HD fee back to my account and adding an additional receiver fee. I immediately caught the mistake when I logged into my account that same day, and I did an online chat to get the H25 deactivated and remove those fees. Then, only a few days later, Directv charged me a $45 fee for not returning the H25, so I called them to get them to reverse that fee and send me a box with a pre-paid shipping label so I could return the H25 to them. If they had let me keep the H25 I already had, like they originally said they would after I closed the account, then when the time comes for the forced upgrade to all HD equipment, I could have done the upgrade myself for free. No truck roll would have been required, nor even any shipping and handling charges for Directv to send me the new receiver. Directv blew that chance.


I am not surprised. Many people are do-it-yourself-ers for this type of thing, including myself to some extent.
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You have to remember most people are not savey enough to do this type of thing.
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Jimbo said:
You have to remember most people are not savey enough to do this type of thing.
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And certainly not to be sexist, but I find this to be especially so for women....

Not due to any lack of intelligence of course. But just a general lack of interest by them in learning this type of stuff ...

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And certainly not to be sexist, but I find this to be especially so for women....

Not due to any lack of intelligence of course. But just a general lack of interest by them in learning this type of stuff ...
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You have to remember that the case we are discussing was probably a SD receiver. She was switching from SD Dish equipment:
Claude Greiner said:
...I had a lady with Dish who had a model 4000. She was happy with the 4000. I remember the power supply went bad we replaced the power supply after she took the receiver to my office. They finally shut it down due to the card swap, and I ended up selling her a 301 and configured it exactly like her old one so I wouldn't have to go to her house.

Something happened to the 301, Dish insisted to send a tech and she refused.

She cancelled, switched to Directv and she only allowed me to swap the dish. I had to activate the receiver at my store and she would not let me in her house.
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The SD receiver would be relatively easy to hook up once the dish was already aimed. No power inserter required.
HoTat2 said:
So when she switched to DIRECTV, but still wouldn't let you in the house ...

What ... she handled any necessary changes to the inside cabling, splitters, connection of the PI, CCK, etc., herself?
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Apple Appears to be Down

Hmmm, Apple iCloud appears to be missing from the Internet. Attempting to connect yields:
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looks like an incident is clearing up


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The Apple Support System Status page is showing mostly green now, with Resolved status for the outage that started 17:49 and ended around 19:22 (I guess EST)
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I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS
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And Steve Jobs stole the mouse and GUI
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The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!
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Actually I survived despite them for 31 years and two expait assignments. But the quest for the current quarter's profits doomed long term vision, planning and actions.
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In my area Cox (now Spectrum) has run everything underground instead of on poles.
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In my area Cox (now Spectrum) has run everything underground instead of on poles.
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Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
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Jimbo said:
Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
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In my local area all underground utilities are under the sidewalk. Of course from there, when entering your property, They are at least 18" in your dirt.
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Bobby said:
In my local area all underground utilities are under the sidewalk. Of course from there, when entering your property, They are at least 18" in your dirt.
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I bet MOST of them are NOT 18", they may suppose to be, but I doubt they are .

Edison is definitely deep enough, but thats the only one ...
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Jimbo said:
Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
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My fiber isp put everything in conduit, except for the drop line to the NID and it it buried 10 inches
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Jimbo said:
Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
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My area is very rocky, so there will be no shovels into the lines. Most of the lines were bored and the one's not bored where dug at least 18" deep. Cox had flagged my yard for them to dig up. But the foreman of the crew said he was not going to tear up my grass. He ended up installing the cable across the street at a vacant lot instead and bored the street for my pedestal. The line from the pedestal to my house could be damaged being it is fairly shallow.
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brice52 said:
My fiber isp put everything in conduit, except for the drop line to the NID and it it buried 10 inches
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Really, you Lucky Dog !

Do you Work for that ISP ? :biggrin
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Jimbo said:
I bet MOST of them are NOT 18", they may suppose to be, but I doubt they are .

Edison is definitely deep enough, but thats the only one ...
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I did the underground trench utility designs for 9 years. Gas and electric were 24". Telephone and CATV were 18". These were for new construction. Add on construction could be anywhere. All of the utilities went from their terminal points to a common utility point on the house. They were in a single trench.
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So, if theres a issue with any buried line, the sidewalk needs to be dug up as well ???
That sucks.
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Sometimes…. electric and CATV are in conduit so replacement is pretty easy. Telephone, specifically Pacific Telephone, Pacific Bell, SBC, ATT are direct buried and use encap termination directly onto the feed cable. That is always a sidewalk digup.
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Bobby said:
I did the underground trench utility designs for 9 years. Gas and electric were 24". Telephone and CATV were 18". These were for new construction. Add on construction could be anywhere. All of the utilities went from their terminal points to a common utility point on the house. They were in a single trench.

Sometimes…. electric and CATV are in conduit so replacement is pretty easy. Telephone, specifically Pacific Telephone, Pacific Bell, SBC, ATT are direct buried and use encap termination directly onto the feed cable. That is always a sidewalk digup.
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Ok, your talking in the right of way ...
I thought you were talking about from the ped to the houses.

Fortunately you don't usually get Cable cuts Under a sidewalk, usually its when a Construction crew us digging with major equipment.

The drops to the house are not going to be very deep, sometimes barely under the sod. 6" is a godsend.
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I'm fortunate to have 3 fiber providers now.

Cox and T mobile bored and put conduit in before pulling the fiber thru the easement in my neighborhood . Windstream Kinetic I can't remember if they pulled conduit first or not. I remember they didn't have a boring machine when they came thru my yard, they used that for the mainline crossing under the street but had a vibratory plow in my backyard. I remember seeing some blue conduit just don't remember where it was being used. Windstream barely put the fiber run from the pedestal to my house about 2 inches underground. Landscaper hit it while putting landscaping around the pedestal they added to my yard. I made sure they buried it at least 12 inches when they replaced it.

AEP/ PSO the electric company has their main distribution lines running on poles along the back of my property. Cox has their main distribution line hung on those poles before going underground through the neighborhood.

I'm in the middle of a damage claim and about to take them to court as insurance is trying to get out of it claiming the lines were too low. Had an oversized load get lost and try to turn around in an older neighborhood. Pulled down 5 blocks of fiber with separate fiber lines belonging to the city, Cox/Spectrum and ATT.
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My area is very rocky, so there will be no shovels into the lines. Most of the lines were bored and the one's not bored where dug at least 18" deep. Cox had flagged my yard for them to dig up. But the foreman of the crew said he was not going to tear up my grass. He ended up installing the cable across the street at a vacant lot instead and bored the street for my pedestal. The line from the pedestal to my house could be damaged being it is fairly shallow.
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No, but it is a coop. I am just a member and subscriber
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Really, you Lucky Dog !

Do you Work for that ISP ? :biggrin
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How things have changed

I was reading this article

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Cable TV ‘cord-cutters’ became the majority in 2022

The steady decline of cable and broadcast television, and the rise of streaming services, reached a sort of inflection point over the past year. Last summer, for the first time, streaming ser…
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Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.

Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
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According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
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That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.
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That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.
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Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?
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Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?
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Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need a old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.
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Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need an old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.
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But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
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But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
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Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.
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Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.
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Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.
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Bruce said:
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
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People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish :biggrin
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Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.
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Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
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People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish :biggrin
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Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...
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Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
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Quick Question, WITHOUT Looking it up ...
Who played in the World Series last year ?
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Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
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True, but you had 2 Large Markets in it .
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Quick Question, WITHOUT Looking it up ...
Who played in the World Series last year ?
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Two MLB teams.
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Two MLB teams.
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Now, having low numbers this past year doesn't surprise me at all, you had 2 teams that don't like to spend tons of money and they are not your Large markets.
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Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...
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I thought you might like that. :biggrin
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But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
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I guess they should figure that out ... maybe not offer as much if they can't afford it next time.
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Auto Racing 2026

New thread or keep this one?

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Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
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Today is the anniversary of Dan Wheldon's passing at Las Vegas in a dreadful crash that luckily didn't take more drivers' lives. I vaguely remember the crash, but I more strongly remember Paul Tracy trying to keep it together as he left the Medical Center knowing that Dan most likely wasn't going to.

The safety in these vehicles is beyond incomprehensible, especially relative to what it was 60 years ago, when dying wasn't unexpected. But it is still very dangerous. I always scoff at the prayer invocations, but never scoff at the risks these drivers take and the emergency workers out there who might need to pull short of a miracle to save a driver's life.
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Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
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HBO Max has the live in car streaming without commercials, which provides an interesting take, but you are driving blind, knowing only what the team is telling the driver about what is happening on the track. The stages definitely ruin the NASCAR set up.
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NASCAR is an abject mess, but at least it has Kyle Larson. Guy had the lead on the green/white checker, fell back to 12th or the like, kept his cool, and charged back to win with room to spare at the line. And win very cleanly!

NASCAR needs to stop racing at Talladega. Especially if they are going for elderly Sunday drives at the track! Stage racing is real stupid, but NASCAR should consider one half point a second per group gap as a bonus.
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Congratulations to the youngest Formula 1 World Champion, 20-year old Kimi Antonelli! The podium at the Mexican Grand Prix featured three World Champions with 4-time World Champion Max Verstappen, 7-time World Champion Lewis Hamilton, and newly-crowned World Champion Kimi Antonelli. A dozen World Championships represented!
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Security Now 1104

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Domicile: Build a Linux Desktop with HTML, CSS & JavaScript #shorts

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Noob POV Build with Linus from LTT

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