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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
In 3 weeks, my 2 year commitment to ATT&T / DirecTV will expire.I know what my new contract with them will cost, and it's not good. I'm considering Dish Network + Internet + Phone service, but unlike DirecTV and Spectrum, my only other choices in zip code 32174, Dish Network doesn't have such a convenience. I've tried calling to talk to an Agent, but in each case, they know what they want to sell me and they don't want to listen to my questions.

My Bill for next month with DirecTV will be $170. My Bill this month was $127. That's for TV plus Internet plus Phone. I don't want to increase my current $127 bill.
Is there ANY WAY to get an estimate from Dish Network?

Time is running short. If I can't get a reliable quote from Dish Network I'll probably book Internet plus Phone service with Spectrum and stream what I want to see with HuLu and my trusty Roku Express. I know that I can save money that way.
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Spectrum probably has bundles just like Comcast. May be worth a shot to ask them.

I use Comcast for internet only, OTA for local digital TV and Dish for national TV networks. I went with Dish over DirectTV due to better bundling of programming.
Jakester3
Spectrum probably has bundles just like Comcast. May be worth a shot to ask them.

I use Comcast for internet only, OTA for local digital TV and Dish for national TV networks. I went with Dish over DirectTV due to better bundling of programming.

All those companies could of taught Al Capone or John Gotti a few extorsion lessons. We have Armstrong who are the only game in town. Buy the 3 way bundle and its more or less unlimited on the internet package. Drop the TV and phone keeping the same internet plan, and they charge you an additional amount for going over some imposed bandwidth limit you did not have prior. They hold all the cards in our location.
Claude Greiner
Dish is NOT an internet provider.

Consider spectrum for your internet.

If you don't like your contract, if you get a triple play through spectrum they will pay all cancellation fees up to $500 and not require a contract through them
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1. We use Ooma (Basic costs taxes only; incredible high-end features for just an additional $10 per month; additional numbers can be added for just $5 per month) VoIP. NOBODY offers features and great voice quality (apps for phone/tablet, as well) for its really low price. We get Text Notices if someone leaves a message AND we also use the feature that sends the message left at home sent to our mobile email address. And yes, you can even FORWARD calls at home to another phone--and if the internet goes out, you can set it to forward all calls to your smart phone until internet is restored. Far cheaper than a bundle. The hardest part is PORTING your number because the phone co. or cable co. DON'T want you to change. Just keep at it and they will relinquish it to Ooma.

2. We have Spectrum (Charter) for Internet ONLY (100 Mbps downstream).

3. Dish Hopper 3 for TV.

Price all that out for yourself. See what your monthly cost would be. Ooma does have a one time-cost for the unit, but that will pay for itself pretty quickly. I've seen the Ooma Telo selling for less than $100. I think they still sell them at Costco. The amount of $$ we have saved is tremendous. For us the three separate services listed above is significantly LESS than ANY bundle offered by DTV or Charter or anyone. And for MORE savings here is a 4th service:

4. Use an MVNO--NOT ANY of the big wireless carriers. Our MVNO (3rd party cell/smart phone service using a big wireless network) has saved us MOUNDS of money and with NO EXTRA charges--Ever! A predictable monthly low cost bill. If we need more data (which we never do under our plan), then we can buy it and any unused additional data is ROLLED OVER for future use when you need it for as long as you are a customer. And all with NO compromise by being an MVNO customer as opposed to direct big wireless company. Even the big carriers ALSO own and operate MVNO's.

One thing to consider when finding an MVNO, is WHOSE network is used, if that matters to you. I have always used MVNO's using VERIZON's network with its far better coverage than any other. Then it is a matter of pricing how many phones/numbers, single vs. multiple users vs. value of data provided. I can tell you that my brother who is a Verizon direct customer was bumped down to 3G, while at the same time my phone (and the other user of our MVNO who was with us) were still 4G on Verizon's network. This has happened more than a few times when we were with other Verizon or other big wireless direct customers. He gets pay "fool's price" for being a Verizon direct customer. We were big wireless customers for a while, so we KNOW that we have never had a diminished experience using our past and present MVNO using Verizon's network.

You can go to a Wikipedia page that lists all the MVNO's and whose network they use. You do need to research a bit. For example, for ONE phone, Page Plus may be best, but it is a BAD value for 2 or more, while Total Wireless is the much better value for multiple phones. But research all that yourself.

And next time, DO NOT buy a phone from ANY wireless carrier or MVNO. Get yourself a good UNLOCKED phone that can work on ANY of the big wireless carries network and enjoy further savings. Really, does a grown-up need a phone any better than the affordable and very capable Moto G7 (HIGHLY RATED by even APPLE and SAMSUNG users--watch the YouTube video reviews)? But if one is an Apple snob or puts their personal self-esteem into a Samsung $900 phone, then there is no help or savings for them.

Break out the numbers/costs for yourself. For us, it resulted in quite a lot more money falling into our pockets every month by not bundling, but by selecting separate services and phones and creating our own "bundle" . And, of course, there is always eating on Norm's :). Better, more reliably tender steak than Black Angus and with soup AND salad AND dessert included. He, he. Just some fun on the Norm's recommendation :).

See if all of that can work for your. YOU will save money and afford a Hopper 3.
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All those companies could of taught Al Capone or John Gotti a few extorsion lessons. We have Armstrong who are the only game in town. Buy the 3 way bundle and its more or less unlimited on the internet package. Drop the TV and phone keeping the same internet plan, and they charge you an additional amount for going over some imposed bandwidth limit you did not have prior. They hold all the cards in our location.
Yeah, I hear you. It really is abominable. Just drop one of their 3, and they HOSE you!
mwdxer1
In 3 weeks, my 2 year commitment to ATT&T / DirecTV will expire.I know what my new contract with them will cost, and it's not good. I'm considering Dish Network + Internet + Phone service, but unlike DirecTV and Spectrum, my only other choices in zip code 32174, Dish Network doesn't have such a convenience. I've tried calling to talk to an Agent, but in each case, they know what they want to sell me and they don't want to listen to my questions.

My Bill for next month with DirecTV will be $170. My Bill this month was $127. That's for TV plus Internet plus Phone. I don't want to increase my current $127 bill.
Is there ANY WAY to get an estimate from Dish Network?

Time is running short. If I can't get a reliable quote from Dish Network I'll probably book Internet plus Phone service with Spectrum and stream what I want to see with HuLu and my trusty Roku Express. I know that I can save money that way.

I have Spectrum for internet/phone and Dish separately. As mentioned, Dish only has satellite internet. Not a good choice, unless that is your only choice. I would rather go with Verizon or some other cel internet if i had to go that way, plus 5G is on the way. In the future there will be more internet choices for less money.
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ChadT41
Dish is NOT an internet provider.

Consider spectrum for your internet.

If you don't like your contract, if you get a triple play through spectrum they will pay all cancellation fees up to $500 and not require a contract through them
Internet, and now Cell Phone service provider...
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Gary Toma
Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum
The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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DirecTV Satellite Transponder Updates for Oct 28 2026

Comparison of Transponder Data for Oct 28 2026 vs Oct 21 2026:


No changes in system tables for any transponder tuning parameters.

Changes to the use of defined transponders:

1 Transponder cleared of all Streams::
Net 15 TID 12 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D12@103ca, TPN 13

2 Previously unused Transponders with current APG records::
Net 0 TID 28 Beam NAT + PR is a National Transponder on D16@101, TPN 29
Net 10 TID 126 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D11@99cb, TPN 3

Stream (PID) counts:

LIVE Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
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1449​
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SD mpeg4​
144​
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194​
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SD mpeg2​
434​
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RB​
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Audio​
89​
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Push​
26​
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Slate​
19​
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1​
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TEST Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
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Engr Work​
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The PID count Excel workbook provides much more count detail.

Newly updated tables of Streams on each transponder are available in the DataDigesters TPN Grids

More details of changes in individual channels will follow in the Weekly Analysis
and Gary Toma's Domestic TPN Map Excel files
A few remaps
Weekly Analysis soon
Enjoy
DataDigesters
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Weekly Analysis for 10/28/2026:
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ElectionHQ mixes testing with BBC News, CNBC, CNN, FBN, FNC, MSNOW, NewsMax and NewsNation

Some more reshuffles

Updating the TMSIDs for KSBI and KQCW to use the cable feeds with Thunder games instead of the OTA feeds

An additional commercial PPV channel is now on 9530
coolman302003
Monday 11/2 is a full slate for NBA League Pass as all 30 teams are playing and 14 out of 15 total games are on NBALP. Only one national TV game on Peacock/NBCSN (Thunder @ Cavs).

DirecTV is even having to use several MLB EI channels (from 745-748) and a NHL CI (770) channel to fit all of them in the guide close together. 5 games at 7:30 ET, 3 games at 8 ET, 2 games at 8:30 ET, 1 game at 9 ET, 3 games at 10 ET. Luckily NHL CI is light on Monday (3 games on CI).

DirecTV is providing both broadcast feeds for all League Pass games except Hornets, Magic, Bucks & Raptors that night. These are all teams that have local broadcasts via a OTA channel which is on spotbeams and have streaming deals (DTC) that are not exclusive DAZN teams which DirecTV just signed a deal with (à la Spurs, Grizzlies, Cavs, Pacers & T'Wolves). Its also very common that we don't get Raptors broadcast very often from TSN or Sportsnet Ontario on League Pass.

11/2/26 (MON) EASTERN7:00 PM7:30 PM8:00 PM8:30 PM9:00 PM10:00 PM
Peacock/NBCSNThunder @ Cavaliers
NBA League PassNonePistons (745) @ HornetsKings (755) @ Mavericks (756)Celtics (760) @ Rockets (761)Trail Blazers (764) @ Nuggets (765)Suns (769) @ Warriors (770)
Hawks (746) @ Pacers (747)Pelicans (757) @ Grizzlies (758)Jazz (762) @ Spurs (763)Raptors @ Clippers (766)
Nets (748) @ Knicks (751)Bucks @ T'Wolves (759)Heat (767) @ Lakers (768)
Wizards (752) @ Magic
Bulls (753) @ 76ers (754)
*No Hornets, Magic local broadcasts*No Bucks local broadcast*No Raptors local broadcast
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Only the Knicks, Nets, Wizards, Bulls, Celtics, Rockets, Lakers, Warriors, Avalanche, Sharks and Bruins feeds will be using remaps of 24/7 RSNs that night. The rest will be relying on the part time feeds, including the Nuggets, Blackhawks and Kings who will be on their alt/overflow channels, and MSG Western NY will be live on channel 635-1 to carry Buffalo area ads during the Knicks game.

The NHL Network alternate will have Red Wings @ Panthers for those blacked out of Golden Knights @ Bruins on the main feed.

The Thunder @ Cavaliers game will be on one of Peacock Game Pass channels that night for commercial customers, they'll also have the back to back U-Conn Women's and Men's Basketball. One of the part time feeds will also be in use for WWE Raw via Joe Hand promotions.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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Almighty1
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
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I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
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Almighty1
I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.
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Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Take It Easy On Me - Little River Band
long_time_Dish
Take It Easy - The Eagles
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Take It as It Comes - Steve Winwood
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Take The Money and Run - Steve Miller Band
EatMyVolts
Run Joe -- Louis Jordan and his Tympany Five
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meStevo
Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in TV Shows
Starting a thread klang !

After an amazing first 2 seasons and an 8 episode 3rd season still coming this year, season 4 has now been greenlit.

Keri Russell Wow GIF by NETFLIX
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KAB
Not in a hurry to watch it this time.
K
Finished season 3 last night. Still one of my favorite shows.

Anyone else wonder if there might be something else going on with Callum? Seems to me he has too much access to Russian intelligence.
meStevo
One episode into season 4 that dropped today...

Jon Stewart Popcorn GIF
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meStevo
Renewed for season 5.
K
Finished 4 last night. Great stuff.

They do like to end each season with a Bang!
Neutron
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Patrick Stewart died yesterday, October 28th at the age of 86. We lost yet another great actor. :(

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dfergie
This hits hard, R.I.P. ...
Foxbat
Rest in Peace…
Bobby
Rest in peace. Long live Jean Luc Picard…
long_time_Dish
Rest in peace. Wow, so many good roles, but Jean Luc Picard will always be my favorite...
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Bobby
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.

As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
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Bobby
MLB, Rays at Brewers, Saturday 10-24, 5PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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MLB, Brewers at Rays, Monday 10-26, 5PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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MLB, Brewers at Rays, Tuesday 10-27, 5PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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Bobby
CFB, Florida vs Georgia, Saturday 10-31, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.
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Bobby
CFB, Wisconsin at Iowa, Saturday 10-31, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Arizona St at BYU, Saturday 10-31, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
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dishstaller
Sorry for posting the wrong link. Just corrected it.
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dfergie
I loved it when Rodney was on the Tonight Show...
Foxbat
Sorry for posting the wrong link. Just corrected it.
Thanks, I wasn't sure if you had the wrong Subject or the wrong YouTube link.
osu1991
Was a Don Rickles fan. I've dvr'd most of his appearances on Carson from the antenna tv replays.

"MysteryMan"
Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in Computers and Gadgets
I created this thread on the original Edgecutter Cutting Edge Forums site. It's simply a place for those to review the latest software available for those using Windows 10 and Windows 11. To date it has received 112,559 views. I have been asked by staff to continue this thread here.
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EarDemon
If it wasn't for what I want, I wouldn't need any of this.

Do I need a collection of handheld radios, scanners and speed enforcement countermeasures? Nope, but I want them. Very little, if any of the software used to interface with these devices is available on Linux.
WhiteBeard
If it wasn't for what I want, I wouldn't need any of this.

Do I need a collection of handheld radios, scanners and speed enforcement countermeasures? Nope, but I want them. Very little, if any of the software used to interface with these devices is available on Linux.
To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything. ☹️
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EarDemon
To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything. ☹️
For niche use cases, yes I agree. Kali for ethical hacking and security testing, and running a Cacti server for network monitoring are the two things I have experience in. Plus thousands and thousands of other things, but for every day use I just can't see it. The owner of the GMRS repeater that I pay to access is changing the Tx DPL tones tomorrow, while Chirp is available on Linux, the software to program my MXT500 is not.

I run Fedora and Ubuntu in VMWare, honestly I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows. The cartoonish dock at the bottom of the screen reminds me of Apple products.
harshness
I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows.
What is so fantabulous about the Windows UI? By many accounts, it has been going downhill since Windows 7.

There are Linux desktops that offer Windows or Mac UIs, yet you don't hear much chatter about them outside of questions about when the creators might get sued.
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What is so fantabulous about the Windows UI?
Because it's what I prefer. I know I've said this a few times, I use Open Shell to give me the cascading start menu a la WIN 95 and NT4.0. The only reason I went from Windows Vista to 7 back in the day was because of Classic Shell. I cannot stand anything other than the OG start menu from 30+ years ago. I'm using ExplorerPatcher to give me Windows 10 UI elements of the taskbar and right click context menus.

If you could take a look at how I set up Windows 95, you'd find many similarities to how I use 11.
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EarDemon
I could probably use that as a starting point, but I don't like the full size icons. If you have to click on each folder that's also a no-go for me, it has to be cascading.

I used to have Peppermint Linux in a VM, that was about as close as I could get to recreating a Windows NT4.0 style of menu structure, but I could never get it to scale properly in VMWare on a 4K display and eventually gave up.

Whatever the boot up time it's fine with me. The longest part of my bootup is the HP SureStart BIOS integrity check. Once that is done, it's only a few more seconds. I haven't done this reg tweak yet since the reformat, but I switched the bootup animation to the Windows 10 style spinning circle of dots, and it's two and a half rotations. I can live with that.
harshness
Because it's what I prefer.
I hope you don't believe that makes it wonderful (especially when you're using workarounds for Microsoft's malfeasance).

I use LibreOffice as opposed to Microsoft office (even in Windows) because it's UI is like the Office of old, so I'm putting my money where my mouth is (in a manner of speaking). The ribbon was one of the worst ideas to come out Redmond.
HipKat
I could probably use that as a starting point, but I don't like the full size icons. If you have to click on each folder that's also a no-go for me, it has to be cascading.

I used to have Peppermint Linux in a VM, that was about as close as I could get to recreating a Windows NT4.0 style of menu structure, but I could never get it to scale properly in VMWare on a 4K display and eventually gave up.

Whatever the boot up time it's fine with me. The longest part of my bootup is the HP SureStart BIOS integrity check. Once that is done, it's only a few more seconds. I haven't done this reg tweak yet since the reformat, but I switched the bootup animation to the Windows 10 style spinning circle of dots, and it's two and a half rotations. I can live with that.
I used to pin the C: drive to the Win Taskbar and it would open in cascading style
"MysteryMan"
2026-10 Preview Update Builds: 26300.9818 and 26200.9818 (KB5127936) has been released. Moderate time needed for those choosing to perform a manual download/install/restart. Quality improvements only. No new operating system features.
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Actually it looks like there are a lot of features new or updated, although most are on a gradual rollout schedule.

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Last reply · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info
Interesting article about the work being done to develope an ATSC 3 converter box. Yes it does mention affordable.
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primestar31
DEATH TO NEXGEN!
star trek GIF


It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.

There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
Mister B
What bothers me is the total waste of broadcasting spectrum in this very crowded market. It has been almost three years now since KFOX converted their broadcast tower to ATSC 3.0 and moved all of their channels to other towers causing noticeable degradation of the picture quality.
I have a Sony TV with 3.0 capabilities but still use the 1.0 version of locals due to the fact that one or all of the 3.0 channels are often missing or unwatchable. In this city of 800K I doubt that more than a few hundred even know about ATSC 3.0.
The only thing that could motivate me to be interested in 3.0 would be if all of the minor networks (diginets) could be in at least 720P rather than blurry ultra-compressed 480i.
Three years is long enough to waste one of the few available RF frequencies in the area for this trial.
It is time to either move on with this experiment or call it quits.
navychop
It is time to either move on with this experiment or call it quits.

QFT. Of course, my preference involves a curb and some kicking.
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star trek GIF


It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.

There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
WHAT ABOUT THE INTERNET PART OF IT. NO ONE WANTS A BOX CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET EITHER.
navychop
Cough, cough. COVID vaccine implants.

:oldlaugh
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Foxbat
Cough, cough. COVID vaccine implants.

:oldlaugh
That would be handy. Download the latest RNA snippets that can be updated over 5G and no more shots! You're a Genius!
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R
I want it and I have to have it.

I can neuter the phoning home with adguard home so it won't be doing that in my castle but I prefer without Internet so that my TVs in the house don't turn into e-waste
dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
· posted in The Chit Chat Club
It states the average amount they are under water is OVER $7,000. :eek

Personally, I tend to be the type that drives a vehicle for a lot of years....do my own oil changes and other fluid changes. Just replaced the spark plugs and a couple coils. Youtube is great for things like this.

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