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Last reply Sep 21, 2019 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Early termination fee's

Because of the dispute with FSN and Dish I'm probably going to cancel my Dish subscription. Unfortunately, because I JUST re-upped (and they told me they were unaware of any FSN disputes on the horizon) I would owe $200 for early termination fee's. I feel I've been screwed.

I've NEVER not paid something I owe in my life. But I'm tempted to make them come get these fee's. Has anyone been able to get them removed before?

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hahler2

Sep 17, 2019

You know they say that they're doing it to keep costs down to consumers, but I've never seen it. Our bill continues to go up year after year. I would really like to see Dish provide us with hard numbers. Here's how much they wanted to charge us and how it would have affected your monthly bill, and here's how much we saved you by having this channel dispute. But you don't. You just have to take them at their word that what they're doing is saving us money.

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DISH Support

Sep 17, 2019

hahler2 said:
You know they say that they're doing it to keep costs down to consumers, but I've never seen it. Our bill continues to go up year after year. I would really like to see Dish provide us with hard numbers. Here's how much they wanted to charge us and how it would have affected your monthly bill, and here's how much we saved you by having this channel dispute. But you don't. You just have to take them at their word that what they're doing is saving us money.

Hey there, hahler2! We definitely get how much the channel negotiations impact you and I want to reassure you that we are doing everything we can to work with the channel owners in hopes of reaching a mutually beneficial agreement. While our departments aren't present during the negotiation process, we want to provide you with the most up to date information as we receive it. This is why we created our Dish promise page so you can be aware of changes as they happen! Here is a link for this page: DISH Promise | MyDISH | DISH Customer Support. -- Sam F

Claude Greiner

Sep 18, 2019

hahler2 said:
You know they say that they're doing it to keep costs down to consumers, but I've never seen it. Our bill continues to go up year after year. I would really like to see Dish provide us with hard numbers. Here's how much they wanted to charge us and how it would have affected your monthly bill, and here's how much we saved you by having this channel dispute. But you don't. You just have to take them at their word that what they're doing is saving us money.

OMG, this is exactly what I have been saying for years ever since I started to hate Dish.

But exactly my point. Never once has Dish came out and said, we saved you x amount off your bill, or we didn't raise rates as much as anticipated because of a dispute.

Here is something to consider. Rate increases have always been even dollar amounts.

The rate increases these providers want to charge Dish are pennies, nickels, dimes and maybe a quarter.

Dish isn't negotiating for you, they are negotiating for themselves. Let's say the increase is 10 cents. Wether Dish pays the 10 cent increase or 5 cents, your bill is still going up $1

You go without your favorite channel for a month so Dish can make 5 cents more on your bill.

So what you may say....

Do the math, over 10 million subscribers it's $500,000/mo or 6 million over 12 months.

The problem is Charlie Ergen. This is HIS money, he is 51% shareholder in Dish. Any money he saves, literally lines his pocket.

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ncted

Sep 18, 2019

Claude Greiner said:
The rate increases these providers want to charge Dish are pennies, nickels, dimes and maybe a quarter.

I'm sorry Claude. I just do not believe this statement to be true. All the reporting on the topic indicates the ask from channel owners during retransmission discussions typically is 2x-3x the current rate. Unless Dish (and AT&T, Comcast, Charter, etc.) are only paying pennies for those channels now, I do not see how what you say can be the case.

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Bruce

Sep 18, 2019

ncted said:
I'm sorry Claude. I just do not believe this statement to be true. All the reporting on the topic indicates the ask from channel owners during retransmission discussions typically is 2x-3x the current rate. Unless Dish (and AT&T, Comcast, Charter, etc.) are only paying pennies for those channels now, I do not see how what you say can be the case.

I found a rate chart (last updated 2017) for what each channel costs providers-

https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/0321_041-nu.pdf

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kingsxman

Sep 18, 2019

DISH Support said:
Hey there, hahler2! We definitely get how much the channel negotiations impact you and I want to reassure you that we are doing everything we can to work with the channel owners in hopes of reaching a mutually beneficial agreement. While our departments aren't present during the negotiation process, we want to provide you with the most up to date information as we receive it. This is why we created our Dish promise page so you can be aware of changes as they happen! Here is a link for this page: DISH Promise | MyDISH | DISH Customer Support. -- Sam F

I'm sorry, but this is so much drivel. I go to "Dish promise" and the only new news is that FSN was sold and your negotiating with Sinclair. August 23rd. Its now almost a month later and no updates, MLB playoff races in alot of the locations that are affected and basketball season starting in a month.

Here's my "promise" to Dish: I've been a loyal subscriber to Dish for over 15 years ....except for when you did this the last time to me...and I left for 2 years and came back. My promise to you is that if you are willing to let me out of my contract fee's....when my "contract" with cable is up in a year....and FSN is back on Dish...I'll come back. Otherwise....if I have to pay $200 to terminate my contract with Dish to go elsewhere to get the programming that I thought I was paying for...I "PROMISE" I will NEVER come back.

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navychop

Sep 18, 2019

Out of the frying pan, into the fire. Where the equipment is crappy.

Sent from my iPhone using SatelliteGuys App. For now.

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Claude Greiner

Sep 21, 2019

theBruce said:
I found a rate chart (last updated 2017) for what each channel costs providers-

https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/0321_041-nu.pdf

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Looks like pennies, nickles and dimes to me

Claude Greiner

Sep 21, 2019

kingsxman said:
I'm sorry, but this is so much drivel. I go to "Dish promise" and the only new news is that FSN was sold and your negotiating with Sinclair. August 23rd. Its now almost a month later and no updates, MLB playoff races in alot of the locations that are affected and basketball season starting in a month.

Here's my "promise" to Dish: I've been a loyal subscriber to Dish for over 15 years ....except for when you did this the last time to me...and I left for 2 years and came back. My promise to you is that if you are willing to let me out of my contract fee's....when my "contract" with cable is up in a year....and FSN is back on Dish...I'll come back. Otherwise....if I have to pay $200 to terminate my contract with Dish to go elsewhere to get the programming that I thought I was paying for...I "PROMISE" I will NEVER come back.

Amen brother!

ChadT41

Sep 21, 2019

kingsxman said:
I'm sorry, but this is so much drivel. I go to "Dish promise" and the only new news is that FSN was sold and your negotiating with Sinclair. August 23rd. Its now almost a month later and no updates, MLB playoff races in alot of the locations that are affected and basketball season starting in a month.

Here's my "promise" to Dish: I've been a loyal subscriber to Dish for over 15 years ....except for when you did this the last time to me...and I left for 2 years and came back. My promise to you is that if you are willing to let me out of my contract fee's....when my "contract" with cable is up in a year....and FSN is back on Dish...I'll come back. Otherwise....if I have to pay $200 to terminate my contract with Dish to go elsewhere to get the programming that I thought I was paying for...I "PROMISE" I will NEVER come back.

So you promise, that if they make you live up to what you agreed to, while they live up to what they agreed to, you'd be very upset and not come back? Not sure I'd want to keep you around either... do you need assistance with the door?

ChadT41

Sep 21, 2019

theBruce said:
I found a rate chart (last updated 2017) for what each channel costs providers-

https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/0321_041-nu.pdf

Sent from my iPad using SatelliteGuys

One important detail from them to now, with that... and the chart shows it a little as well..
Dish didn't have a deal with Nielsen to provide viewing data. They do now, and the FSN channels just so happen to have N/A for those channels back then.

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Last reply 3 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

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dishstaller said:
Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

At Least 64 Dead After Two High-Speed Trains Collide In Spain | ZeroHedge

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They will have to look at the switching sections to determine WHY 2 trains were on the same track ... at the same time.

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It's probably been 2 decades since I've listened to an AM radio station. Very rarely listen to FM any more.

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Very rarely listen to FM any more

That goes for a lot of people. I've been advertising on radio for more than a decade now and am very familiar with this subject. While it is still a valuable tool, it has far less impact than it did just a few years ago. The best reaction I get is from a local Country music station....they play a mix of older and newer music and have a very big footprint.

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dishstaller said:
That goes for a lot of people. I've been advertising on radio for more than a decade now and am very familiar with this subject. While it is still a valuable tool, it has far less impact than it did just a few years ago. The best reaction I get is from a local Country music station....they play a mix of older and newer music and have a very big footprint.

Do you do any Ad's on Satellite ?

If Not, why not, because it's not Local ?

dishstaller

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Jimbo said:
Do you do any Ad's on Satellite ?

If Not, why not, because it's not Local ?

No, just regular FM stations. One is the country station I mentioned and the other is a Talk Radio station which used to get fantastic results but honestly, since the death of Rush Limbaugh, talk radio just doesn't do as well. There were two guys who had an early morning show which was hugely popular here in the southeast but one of them retired a couple years ago and the show just doesn't garner the same numbers as it used to.

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Haven't listened AM or FM in years

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Today at 10:07 AM

Jimbo said:
If Not, why not, because it's not Local ?

You knew the answer before you asked it.

I can't recall having encountered a local ad on Sirius, and I don't imagine it is any different on XM.

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Last reply Today at 1:01 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

All DMA's now Western Arc

I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.

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Strega

Friday at 10:01 PM

Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.

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Jimbo

Friday at 11:17 PM

Strega said:
Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.

Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.

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Mister B

Saturday at 7:35 AM

Jimbo said:
Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.

I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.

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slow_poke_pete

Monday at 10:40 AM

Mister B said:
I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.

can't forget the little blue m&m's

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charlesrshell

Monday at 11:23 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
can't forget the little blue m&m's

That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!

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telstar_1

Monday at 8:12 PM

Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 2:09 AM

charlesrshell said:
That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!

My gf is 29 years younger than me :shh

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Almighty1

Yesterday at 4:04 PM

telstar_1 said:
Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink

He does not have the resources aka $$$ compared to Elon Musk as in reality, Elon can eat Charlie for lunch or even mop the floor with Charlie if he wanted to.

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 4:58 PM

ment to 20 yrs dam phone

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BradleyD

Yesterday at 11:57 PM

Dish should use both satellite and internet like they do now for all channels. Use either or or both.... like now but subscribers could choose something like internet only, or sat only, or both.

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 1:01 AM

BradleyD said:
Dish should use both satellite and internet like they do now for all channels. Use either or or both.... like now but subscribers could choose something like internet only, or sat only, or both.

They have sling tv wich sucks ass it needs a major upgrade

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