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Last reply Jan 15, 2020 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Cox Media running channel scrolls for Dish Dispute

I have the local Cox channel KOKI morning news on this morning. They're running the standard spiel and scroll to call Dish as their agreement is expiring and the 2 local Cox owned channels will leave Dish on Jan 14 if a new carriage agreement isn't reached.

As usual their annoying spiels are going out on the OTA, cable and YTTV feeds too. I guess the ice and snow warnings are not as important as getting the viewers to call Dish, as the scroll to call Dish is twice as big and on top of the weather warnings.

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sam_gordon

Jan 15, 2020

The Fat Man said:
Simply put, it does not escape me that something given away for free is then bitched and moaned about compensation from cable and satellite companies.

OK, so I take a picture of something and post in in my blog. I OWN that picture. Anyone can see that picture and not pay me a dime. Are you saying you can legally download my picture and sell it? So I guess it's "copyright infringement" not plagiarism. Sorry.

The Fat Man said:
Put in OTA capabilities inside cable/satellite receivers and don't uplink anything. See how fast the local owners would be crying that they lost viewers due to intermittent signal range and be scrambling to put up repeaters.

See how fast the satellite companies would be crying because THEY are losing subscribers. Oh, wait, they already are losing subscribers. MANY (most?) who "cut the cord" include OTA in their plans. I haven't heard a hue and cry over Dish giving folks the capability to drop locals. Have you?

The Fat Man

Jan 15, 2020

sam_gordon said:
OK, so I take a picture of something and post in in my blog. I OWN that picture. Anyone can see that picture and not pay me a dime. Are you saying you can legally download my picture and sell it? So I guess it's "copyright infringement" not plagiarism. Sorry.

See how fast the satellite companies would be crying because THEY are losing subscribers. Oh, wait, they already are losing subscribers. MANY (most?) who "cut the cord" include OTA in their plans. I haven't heard a hue and cry over Dish giving folks the capability to drop locals. Have you?

Again, nobody is taking a program from a free broadcast and then adding it to their own channel. That isn't an accurate comparison, as I stated yesterday.

So isn't local channel owners having a tizzy fit over Locast. We can do this back and forth all day. And, you have yet to address my point that you are reciting a 25 to 35 year old argument that is archaic in today's viewing climate. Losing subs is not due to local channels being pulled, it's due to increased subscription fees, partially due to greedy local station owners, combined with a multitude of options for accessing content. You are short sighted in this debate if you think that local channels hold the level of clout that was held in the days when there were much less channels. You might as well say that the current success of NBC, ABC, and CBS in this day and age is specifically due to the closure of DuMont.

sam_gordon

Jan 15, 2020

The Fat Man said:
Again, nobody is taking a program from a free broadcast and then adding it to their own channel. That isn't an accurate comparison, as I stated yesterday.

No, yesterday you said it's not plagiarism because they're not claiming the work as their own. I'll grant you that. But my picture example has nothing to do with adding to someone's channel. I OWN the copyright for that picture. I can post it for free on the web, I can make copies and stick them on telephone poles around the city. I can rent a helicopter and drop copies over a crowd. That still does not give you the right to take that picture and sell it to anyone. Regardless of whether you admit that I took the picture. You can't sell it without my permission. Now, you can come to me and say "I want to sell your picture." Then I can say "Ok, I want 5% (or 10% or $1 or whatever) of what you sell it for." Totally legal. Sound familiar?

So isn't local channel owners having a tizzy fit over Locast. We can do this back and forth all day. And, you have yet to address my point that you are reciting a 25 to 35 year old argument that is archaic in today's viewing climate. Losing subs is not due to local channels being pulled, it's due to increased subscription fees, partially due to greedy local station owners, combined with a multitude of options for accessing content. You are short sighted in this debate if you think that local channels hold the level of clout that was held in the days when there were much less channels. You might as well say that the current success of NBC, ABC, and CBS in this day and age is specifically due to the closure of DuMont.

So the ONLY reason people are cutting the cord is the subscription fees? No one has found out they can actually get an OTA signal and decide that Dish isn't worth it? And yes, I think decisions made 25 years ago affect things today. Does a decision that was made last year affect things today? What about five years ago? 10? What's the cutoff?

As far as Locast, as well as Aereo, I agree with them (Locast/Aereo). You want to provide the locals to someone AND not charge them (that's the key IMO)? More power to you. Of course, this is just my opinion, which won't get you very far with anyone.

dare2be

Jan 15, 2020

sam_gordon said:
So the ONLY reason people are cutting the cord is the subscription fees? No one has found out they can actually get an OTA signal and decide that Dish isn't worth it?

Well, yes, because they realize it's FREE. Free is still better than paying subscription fees, especially when they rise at 2-3x the rate of inflation. What people then pay for is the convenience of DVR and integrated guide (Tablo, Tivo, etc), but the content is still FREE.

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The Fat Man

Jan 15, 2020

dare2be said:
Well, yes, because they realize it's FREE. Free is still better than paying subscription fees, especially when they rise at 2-3x the rate of inflation. What people then pay for is the convenience of DVR and integrated guide (Tablo, Tivo, etc), but the content is still FREE.

Let me add this anecdote, so take it at face value. WHDH (Independent) and WLVI (CW affielate) are locals in the Boston market. Sunbeam (station owner) pulled all their locals off Dish, months ago. With the small sample of Dish subs I know, compared with Dish subs here, I have not heard one person complain that these stations were removed. Nobody has fired off angry statements towards Dish, and nobody I know cancelled their subscriptions.

Sam has this opinion that without the local channels, the cable and satellite industry would implode. I disagree. I feel his argument had substantial validity 25 to 35 years ago. I feel that such isn't the case now. I feel that the station owners became complacent with this argument, and have an over-inflated perception of their worth. The rise of MTV, Comedy Central, HBO, ESPN, Local RSNs, etc have all pulled the value from locals. Occasional sports programming and local news are the only value they truly have left. Yet, they still argue that without their channels, cable and satellite will implode. I argue that with them and their greed, cable and satellite are imploding. It shouldn't cost us $12.00 a month to watch a channel that I can watch for free.

sam_gordon

Jan 15, 2020

The Fat Man said:
Sam has this opinion that without the local channels, the cable and satellite industry would implode. I disagree. I feel his argument had substantial validity 25 to 35 years ago. I feel that such isn't the case now. I feel that the station owners became complacent with this argument, and have an over-inflated perception of their worth. The rise of MTV, Comedy Central, HBO, ESPN, Local RSNs, etc have all pulled the value from locals. Occasional sports programming and local news are the only value they truly have left. Yet, they still argue that without their channels, cable and satellite will implode. I argue that with them and their greed, cable and satellite are imploding. It shouldn't cost us $12.00 a month to watch a channel that I can watch for free.

Dish & Direct survived just fine before LiL, and I do not think they'd implode if they drop LiL, but they will suffer significant subscriber loss.
Did cable nets pull some value from locals? Sure. Never denied that. BUT, IMO, more people watch programming coming from the locals than cable nets. I've tried to find ratings comparing the two, but can't find anything. Sure, there are news articles that might show how many people watched LSU/Clemson the other night, but I'm not talking about one program/event. If you can find some ratings numbers to compare the two, I'd be interested in seeing them.

And it does NOT cost you $12 a month to watch a channel for free. I pay $0 for locals. Thanks to Dish, I have that option.

The Fat Man

Jan 15, 2020

sam_gordon said:
Dish & Direct survived just fine before LiL, and I do not think they'd implode if they drop LiL, but they will suffer significant subscriber loss.
Did cable nets pull some value from locals? Sure. Never denied that. BUT, IMO, more people watch programming coming from the locals than cable nets. I've tried to find ratings comparing the two, but can't find anything. Sure, there are news articles that might show how many people watched LSU/Clemson the other night, but I'm not talking about one program/event. If you can find some ratings numbers to compare the two, I'd be interested in seeing them.

And it does NOT cost you $12 a month to watch a channel for free. I pay $0 for locals. Thanks to Dish, I have that option.

um, look at most people's bill. They pay $12.00 per month to watch the locals. If we remove the locals and use an OTA module, then it's free. Hence, the greed from local owners resulted with a $12.00 charge to view local channels through Dish's distribution. Yes, thanks to Dish you have the option, YET OTHERS DON'T!!! You looked completely foolish making that statement. The fact that you don't pay for the locals is irrelevant to the debate at hand.We established that a while ago.

Did those numbers from the game include streaming? Furthermore, I already stated that sports and local news are the only draws to the local stations. In fact, I watch TNF from Prime and never on my local. Your argument is hallow in my opinion.

FOX, ESPN, and NBC all have sports apps that allow subscribers to watch games. WGN lost the Cubs and the White Sox. In Boston, no team is broadcasted on a local channel, unless its nationally televised on a network. FOX pulled the MLB mostly from the locals and have game on FS1. Do I need to keep going?

sam_gordon

Jan 15, 2020

The Fat Man said:
um, look at most people's bill. They pay $12.00 per month to watch the locals. If we remove the locals and use an OTA module, then it's free. Hence, the greed from local owners resulted with a $12.00 charge to view local channels through Dish's distribution. Yes, thanks to Dish you have the option, YET OTHERS DON'T!!! You looked completely foolish making that statement. The fact that you don't pay for the locals is irrelevant to the debate at hand.We established that a while ago.

And how many people paying that $12 COULD be watching the locals for free but they don't want to take the time or don't know to even try OTA for that option. I have said at least twice in this thread and multiple times in the past that those who truly can not receive OTA should not be charged. Keep ignoring that if you'd like.

Did those numbers from the game include streaming? Furthermore, I already stated that sports and local news are the only draws to the local stations. In fact, I watch TNF from Prime and never on my local. Your argument is hallow in my opinion.

Either your not understanding the point I made, or you don't have any facts to back up your opinion. More people watch local broadcasting than cable networks. That's it. It's that simple. Did cable networks take some viewers from local? Sure. Did it decimate local viewership? Not even close. If people weren't watching the locals, then they wouldn't be complaining when they're blacked out.

FOX, ESPN, and NBC all have sports apps that allow subscribers to watch games. WGN lost the Cubs and the White Sox. In Boston, no team is broadcasted on a local channel, unless its nationally televised on a network. FOX pulled the MLB mostly from the locals and have game on FS1. Do I need to keep going?

I'm not sure what your point is. Did I ever say nothing's getting sent over the internet?

Let me simplify things for you...
1) Locals should be paid by MVPDs to carry their signal (UNLESS MVPDs don't charge their customers).
2) Locals can ask for too much money to distribute their signal. "Too much" is in the eye of the MVPD and they should be free to say "nope, not paying that much, we're not going to carry you".
3) MVPD subscribers should be allowed to drop locals and therefore not pay for them if they so choose.
4) More people watch local broadcasters than cable nets.

If you'd like to argue those points, feel free. But you're not going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours.

dweber

Jan 15, 2020

I have an amplified antenna that allows me to get 48 OTA channels from Dayton Ohio and Columbus Ohio. Yet I am willing to pay the $12 for satellite locals from Columbus because of the convenience of PTAT. PTAT allows me to sample new shows which I would never have set up a timer for. My son spends much more than $12 a month getting expensive drinks at Starbucks. Dish allows customers to decide whether they want to pay for locals if they can receive them OTA. So everyone should decide what is best for them. By the way Spectrum cable has a broadcast surcharge of $13.50 per month that they charge for locals. Of course you only see that if you read the fine print by the asterisk.

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The Fat Man

Jan 15, 2020

sam_gordon said:
And how many people paying that $12 COULD be watching the locals for free but they don't want to take the time or don't know to even try OTA for that option. I have said at least twice in this thread and multiple times in the past that those who truly can not receive OTA should not be charged. Keep ignoring that if you'd like.

Either your not understanding the point I made, or you don't have any facts to back up your opinion. More people watch local broadcasting than cable networks. That's it. It's that simple. Did cable networks take some viewers from local? Sure. Did it decimate local viewership? Not even close. If people weren't watching the locals, then they wouldn't be complaining when they're blacked out.

I'm not sure what your point is. Did I ever say nothing's getting sent over the internet?

Let me simplify things for you...
1) Locals should be paid by MVPDs to carry their signal (UNLESS MVPDs don't charge their customers).
2) Locals can ask for too much money to distribute their signal. "Too much" is in the eye of the MVPD and they should be free to say "nope, not paying that much, we're not going to carry you".
3) MVPD subscribers should be allowed to drop locals and therefore not pay for them if they so choose.
4) More people watch local broadcasters than cable nets.

If you'd like to argue those points, feel free. But you're not going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours.

They charge their customers because owners of local stations complained that they should be compensated. You spun around in a circle to end up making a collection of loaded statements that contradict each other. This was done all while becoming condescending with me, for the purpose of being right.

Cable and satellite companies charge for access to locals, because they have to pay locals to redistribute. Owners charge simply to get a cut of profit, as observed with their attempt to shut down Locast. Therefore, they are the issue. Their greed specifically is the issue. Either stop giving away your signal for free, or don't charge cable and satellite companies to redistribute.

You play on the assumption that cable and satellite make profit off having locals. In the 80s, the argument was that having the locals led to increased subscriptions. However, the state of viewership is profoundly different today. Therefore, they have an over-inflated sense of their value.

Beyond that, as I stated, I find you to be contradicting yourself. First, you were all for charging cable and satellite companies. Then it became that cable and satellite companies shouldn't charge people who can't get a signal via OTA, while never explaining whether the cable and satellite companies should still have to pay to carry the locals. Now its they should only have to pay, if they charge the customer.

Well, they will charge for the use of equipment and upkeep of their distribution, so does that count as charging to view the channels? I say no.

You go on about the value of locals, to which I said occasional sports and local news. You then agree with me citing the National Championship game. Yet, you then choose to overlook that there were multiple ways to watch the game. The game was on ABC. However, it was also streamed on the ESPN app, and if I'm correct it was also broadcasted on ESPN. So, how did that entitle the owners of local ABC affiliates to demand compansation for redistribution?

All the while, statements with "making it easy" for me is just a sign of a flawed debate. You stick to your argument vaguely and jump around. The equivalent is throwing whatever against the wall to see if it sticks. You use antiquated points, (again) contradicting points, and comparisons that aren't completely accurate to this debate. When I make my own comparison, you then deflect into a statement of "what's right and what's the law are two different things." You're bouncing around in the hope of stumping me into saying you're correct. I do not see anywhere where you proved that it is right for locals in today's climate to charge for redistribution of a signal that they give away for free.

Therefore, this is a stalemate. You and I have to agree to disagree. I simply will not go deeper beyond my opinion of the matter. I don't take issue with you, but I disagree with your opinion and the manner in which you debated to defend it.

The Fat Man

Jan 15, 2020

dweber said:
I have an amplified antenna that allows me to get 48 OTA channels from Dayton Ohio and Columbus Ohio. Yet I am willing to pay the $12 for satellite locals from Columbus because of the convenience of PTAT. PTAT allows me to sample new shows which I would never have set up a timer for. My son spends much more than $12 a month getting expensive drinks at Starbucks. Dish allows customers to decide whether they want to pay for locals if they can receive them OTA. So everyone should decide what is best for them. By the way Spectrum cable has a broadcast surcharge of $13.50 per month that they charge for locals. Of course you only see that if you read the fine print by the asterisk.

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That's your choice. My issue is not with people choosing to pay for locals if they want to. My wife also wants PTAT, as I previously stated. So, I too pay the $12.00 charge for locals. My stance however is that the station owners charging these fees causes subscription hikes and is just not right, as these are given away for free OTA. Again, if you would prefer to pay for it is not an issue that I have, at all.

However, I do think you should pay Dish for equipment use for PTAT, and shouldn't have to pay an extra $12 per month to watch the locals that you can watch OTA.

In fact, I argue that PTAT without Autohop only helps locals gain more potential viewers.

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epokopac

Jan 15, 2020

A 7pm ET deadline of Jan 14 for DISH and Apollo Global-owned Cox Media Group to strike a new retrans agreement has been extended to 1:59am on Wednesday, Jan 15.

The program guide for that station appeared to be normal this morning (WED 1-15).

Conway

Jan 15, 2020

From WSOC ABC Charlotte website shows 1:59am Thu Jan 16th Dish will be shutting off the signal for WSOC because Dish will not accept the agreement to carry WSOC.

CHARLOTTE, N.C. — WSOC-TV, the local ABC affiliate found on Channel 9 for DISH customers, today announced that despite prolonged negotiations, it appears that DISH is unwilling to carry the station starting in the morning on January 16, 2020. As a result, WSOC-TV will no longer be seen on DISH as of January 16, 2020.

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Van

Last reply 5 minutes ago · posted in What's Cooking?

Whats for breakfast?

Who says dinner or lunch has to be the only good meals of the day?

Honey butter grits with scrambled eggs and grilled boneless pork ribs on flakey biscuits washed down with cranberry juice.

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TRG

Thursday at 4:10 PM

2 egg burrito with bacon and a side of hashbrowns. Coffee.

TRG

Sunday at 1:40 PM

Breakfast Quesadillas. Grilled flour tortilla filled with scrambled eggs, hash browns, chopped green chile, cheddar & Jack cheese and bacon. Coffee.

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Today at 1:53 PM

Taco omelette. 3 eggs, taco meat from yesterday, diced green chilis, cheddar cheese, chopped red onion, avocado, black olives, chopped tomato, La Victoria Salsa Brava.

This one was really, really good!

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dfergie

Today at 3:35 PM

Thought I was getting a Chorizo and egg burrito (marker had rubbed off)but was a roast beef/potato I made up before hunting this morning.
Btw every morning at camp I cooked my homemade Chorizo and scrambled eggs plus sausage side while my brother brought bacon. (they liked both the beef and pork versions)

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TRG

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dfergie said:
Thought I was getting a Chorizo and egg burrito (marker had rubbed off)but was a roast beef/potato I made up before hunting this morning.
Btw every morning at camp I cooked my homemade Chorizo and scrambled eggs plus sausage side while my brother brought bacon. (they liked both the beef and pork versions)

I had a chorizo and egg burrito for you. With lots of green chile and cheese of course.

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Song Name Game Part 3!

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Peter Parker

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Last reply Today at 3:56 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

No idea what improvements might be involved.

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Almighty1

Oct 20, 2026

So after some heavy research, it looks like the issue I mentioned with the DISH 50.0/52.0/54.x remotes where on the 50.0/52.0 remotes, the dedicated TV Power button or on the 54.x remotes where it is using the TV button on the side followed by Power works correctly on a Hopper 3 which runs Linux but not on a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 which are Android TV (ATV) has to do with the Android TV software itself. In all instances, the remotes had always sent out a dual RF and Infrared signal when the TV Power signal is sent from the remote. The Hopper 3 without the Plus would ignore the incoming RF power packet signal which is identified as a TV-specific toggle event, and does not trigger a system-wide standby state. The Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 as Android TV devices initially worked the same way as well up to sometime in 2025 as there was the legacy pass-through mode in the original software versions used since the Hopper Plus/Joey 4/Wireless Joey 4 launch, the receiver's underlying software essentially ignored the secondary RF payload that the 50.0/52.0/54.x remotes blasted out whenever the TV Power signal was sent. The Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 recognized it was a TV-specific command and discarded the RF packet, letting the standalone IR signal do its job on the tv.

When the software for the Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 were updated in 2025 and newer versions of the software for those Android TV (ATV) devices, it overhauled how the receiver handles remote commands to tighter integrate the Android TV environment which resulted in the software starting to treat any RF power toggle payload as a global command. As the newer software verion(s) no longer filters out the concurrent RF blast from the 50.0/52.0/54.0 remotes, the moment one sends a TV Power signal from the remote, the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 catches that unintended RF payloadand interpets it as a command to drop the system into standby.

The fix is really simple since the Android TV (ATV) software for the Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 just needs to be programmed to drop or ignore the specific RF power packets associated with the TV Power signal sequence.

The problem could also be at the remotes firmware as the remote's firmware has an engineering defect. When you try to turn off the TV, the remote's internal code mistakenly triggers its RF transmitter alongside its IR transmitter. It should only be firing the IR light blast. Because it forces a simultaneous broadcast, the remote's firmware is the original source of the problem.

The Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey firmware has a filtering defect. Good software design dictating peripheral inputs should include "error handling"—rules that tell the system what to do with messy or unintended commands.
• The legacy Hopper 3 firmware has proper error handling; it sees the remote's rogue RF packet and safely ignores it.
• The Android TV firmware in the Hopper Plu, Joey 4 and Wireless lacks this filtering logic. It blindly accepts the rogue RF packet and misinterprets it as a legitimate signal to force the entire system into standby.

If the remote didn't have a firmware bug, it wouldn't send the phantom RF signal. If the Android TV (ATV) device being the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 didn't have a firmware bug, it would cleanly ignore the signal just like the Hopper 3 does.

brittanygarden and Rick Durham

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rvvaquero

Oct 21, 2026

That's a lot of information to ingest. However, I don't have the Hopper Plus and my 54 remote is doing crazy things to the Hopper 3. Several times each evening when I press the skip forward button several times to advance through a commercial, it switches the receiver either onto live TV or into suspension. Other buttons will also cause this randomly, I haven't established any patterns I can describe. I use "recall" to go back to my recorded program in progress.

Needless to say, something in the newer Hopper 3 softwares has caused the remote functioning to ......................malfunction. Evidently, it applies to third party remotes as well as DISH's own remotes.

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GRB1959

Oct 21, 2026

rvvaquero said:
That's a lot of information to ingest. However, I don't have the Hopper Plus and my 54 remote is doing crazy things to the Hopper 3. Several times each evening when I press the skip forward button several times to advance through a commercial, it switches the receiver either onto live TV or into suspension. Other buttons will also cause this randomly, I haven't established any patterns I can describe. I use "recall" to go back to my recorded program in progress.

Needless to say, something in the newer Hopper 3 softwares has caused the remote functioning to ......................malfunction. Evidently, it applies to third party remotes as well as DISH's own remotes.

This is exactly the same issue I was having as I had the Hopper 3 and 54 remote without the Hopper Plus and the symptoms were virtually identical to yours.

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ERSanders

Oct 21, 2026

We have had a corolary problem in this and the prior s/w. Using several different 40.0 remotes (yeah, we're old), when one pauses a live or recorded show it becomes a crap shoot whether it will step foreward the 30" as requested, jump to the end, or restart the episode. Tried the famous 60" reboot to no avail and have decided to live with it vs. a receiver swap risk.

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tpribors

Today at 3:56 PM

I think there's a change to the "skip forward 30 seconds". With CBS that does not have auto-skip, if you stack up a bunch of 30 second forwards it seems to stop when the kangaroo signaling the end of the commercial break appears.

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dishstaller

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Today at 3:15 PM · posted in The Phone & Tablet Zone

Wife's iPhone 15 doesn't allow her to choose LTE only for data

We were up in Pigeon Forge, TN a month ago and we couldn't get anything on our phones to work on mobile data...the Ookla speed test app couldn't even do a speed test. I have an older 13 and went into my settings and turned off the 5G, making it use LTE exclusively....did a speed test of over 300mbps so obviously the 5G bands were overwhelmed. Anyway, tried to do the same thing on my Wife's 15 and the cellular data options tab simply wasn't there. Any of you run into this? We've on Verizon

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osu1991

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Last reply Today at 3:09 PM · posted in TV Shows

Marvel Television’s VisionQuest

View: https://youtu.be/oSVTAUKyrL8?si=pF-pQQAJIiKjSqx6

Oct 14 Disney+

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meStevo

Oct 14, 2026

First 2 eps out and it's unsurprisingly great to watch Paul Bettany and James Spader work.

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osu1991

Oct 14, 2026

Watched the first episode and enjoyed it.

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Foxbat

Oct 14, 2026

James Spader gets the best lines so far. I'm enjoying this series.

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osu1991

Oct 14, 2026

Finished the 2nd episode tonight. I'm really liking it so far.

Still hate weekly releases though, especially the way Disney and HBO do it waiting until 8pm to premiere it.

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Foxbat

Today at 3:09 PM

Apparently I'm not a big enough nerd

since I did not read every Marvel Comic Book ever published. If I had, I might be comparing the comics' version of events compared to what's transpiring in "Visionquest". So, I am enjoying the series a lot, not weighed down by previous expectations, knowing only the Avengers MCU movies and the "Wandavision" / "Agatha All Along" TV series.

I found the Mr Know-it-All channel from his discussion about "Star Trek: Strange New Worlds" and he's been gleefully picking these episodes apart, referencing the Marvel comics from the 1939 on. Turns out A.I. has been around since before World War II, at least in the comics. (Robots before that, yes, yes.) This show is going back into the archives.

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TheForce

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Last reply Today at 2:48 PM · posted in The Phone & Tablet Zone

Anyone planning to buy the iphone 17?

It's time for my wife to get a new iphone as her iphone 12 is getting weak battery life test says 70% compared to when new. But it is beginning to show signs of screen freezing as well.

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Foxbat

Aug 24, 2025

It may be the year to update my 13 to the 15.

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Foxbat

Nov 4, 2025

BTW, iOS 26.1 is now out for iPhone, along with the OS 26.1 updates for all other supported Appley iDevices.

osu1991

Nov 9, 2025

Bought a Motorola G Power 5G android phone as a spare and to use for some work stuff. Was tired of work stuff cluttering up my iPhone 16 Pro. Didn't take long to remember why I originally went to an iPhone. 4hrs doing updates to step up from Android 14 updates to Android 15 and latest updates for 15. Ads on the Play store above the app I searched for is something I don't really remember from the last android phone I had 13-14 yrs ago. Face ID on iphone has spoiled me too.

I just wanted a cheap phone mainly for work pictures or I would have got an 17 Pro and used my 16 for work stuff, but no need to spend that kind of money. I don't even have cellular service on the Motorola, just using it on WiFi and added my google voice number to it with the app.

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Foxbat

Nov 30, 2025

Apple released their 2025 Holiday video. Friendly forest fauna find forgotten phone…

There's also a behind the scenes "Making of" video, too:

Foxbat

Feb 12, 2026

Foxbat said:
BTW, iOS 26.1 is now out for iPhone, along with the OS 26.1 updates for all other supported Appley iDevices.

BTW, iOS 26.3 is now out for iPhone, along with the OS 26.3 updates for all other supported Appley iDevices.

Foxbat

Mar 10, 2026

Foxbat said:
It may be the year to update my 13 to the 15.

Apple made me an offer I couldn't refuse. For whatever reason, they bumped up the Trade-in value of my iPhone 13, first to $180, and just recently to $195. So I took the Apple Cash from Apple card savings and the $195 trade-in and have a shiny new iPhone 17 nothing. The base 256 GB is more than enough for my needs.

Now I'm on the lookout for a leather case for it…

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Foxbat

Today at 2:48 PM

My iPhone 17 is now running iOS 27.2 (whatever happened to 27.1.x?) and it looks like all the other Apple devices that can are releasing 27.2 (looks like it came out Monday)

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iJustine

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"MysteryMan"

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Last reply Today at 2:25 PM · posted in Computers and Gadgets

Windows 10/11 Download

I created this thread on the original Edgecutter Cutting Edge Forums site. It's simply a place for those to review the latest software available for those using Windows 10 and Windows 11. To date it has received 112,559 views. I have been asked by staff to continue this thread here.

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EarDemon

Oct 13, 2026

If it wasn't for what I want, I wouldn't need any of this.

Do I need a collection of handheld radios, scanners and speed enforcement countermeasures? Nope, but I want them. Very little, if any of the software used to interface with these devices is available on Linux.

WhiteBeard

Oct 13, 2026

EarDemon said:
If it wasn't for what I want, I wouldn't need any of this.

Do I need a collection of handheld radios, scanners and speed enforcement countermeasures? Nope, but I want them. Very little, if any of the software used to interface with these devices is available on Linux.

To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.

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EarDemon

Oct 14, 2026

WhiteBeard said:
To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.

For niche use cases, yes I agree. Kali for ethical hacking and security testing, and running a Cacti server for network monitoring are the two things I have experience in. Plus thousands and thousands of other things, but for every day use I just can't see it. The owner of the GMRS repeater that I pay to access is changing the Tx DPL tones tomorrow, while Chirp is available on Linux, the software to program my MXT500 is not.

I run Fedora and Ubuntu in VMWare, honestly I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows. The cartoonish dock at the bottom of the screen reminds me of Apple products.

harshness

Oct 15, 2026

EarDemon said:
I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows.

What is so fantabulous about the Windows UI? By many accounts, it has been going downhill since Windows 7.

There are Linux desktops that offer Windows or Mac UIs, yet you don't hear much chatter about them outside of questions about when the creators might get sued.

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EarDemon

Oct 15, 2026

harshness said:
What is so fantabulous about the Windows UI?

Because it's what I prefer. I know I've said this a few times, I use Open Shell to give me the cascading start menu a la WIN 95 and NT4.0. The only reason I went from Windows Vista to 7 back in the day was because of Classic Shell. I cannot stand anything other than the OG start menu from 30+ years ago. I'm using ExplorerPatcher to give me Windows 10 UI elements of the taskbar and right click context menus.

If you could take a look at how I set up Windows 95, you'd find many similarities to how I use 11.

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EarDemon

Oct 15, 2026

I could probably use that as a starting point, but I don't like the full size icons. If you have to click on each folder that's also a no-go for me, it has to be cascading.

I used to have Peppermint Linux in a VM, that was about as close as I could get to recreating a Windows NT4.0 style of menu structure, but I could never get it to scale properly in VMWare on a 4K display and eventually gave up.

Whatever the boot up time it's fine with me. The longest part of my bootup is the HP SureStart BIOS integrity check. Once that is done, it's only a few more seconds. I haven't done this reg tweak yet since the reformat, but I switched the bootup animation to the Windows 10 style spinning circle of dots, and it's two and a half rotations. I can live with that.

harshness

Oct 16, 2026

EarDemon said:
Because it's what I prefer.

I hope you don't believe that makes it wonderful (especially when you're using workarounds for Microsoft's malfeasance).

I use LibreOffice as opposed to Microsoft office (even in Windows) because it's UI is like the Office of old, so I'm putting my money where my mouth is (in a manner of speaking). The ribbon was one of the worst ideas to come out Redmond.

HipKat

Oct 16, 2026

EarDemon said:
I could probably use that as a starting point, but I don't like the full size icons. If you have to click on each folder that's also a no-go for me, it has to be cascading.

I used to have Peppermint Linux in a VM, that was about as close as I could get to recreating a Windows NT4.0 style of menu structure, but I could never get it to scale properly in VMWare on a 4K display and eventually gave up.

Whatever the boot up time it's fine with me. The longest part of my bootup is the HP SureStart BIOS integrity check. Once that is done, it's only a few more seconds. I haven't done this reg tweak yet since the reformat, but I switched the bootup animation to the Windows 10 style spinning circle of dots, and it's two and a half rotations. I can live with that.

I used to pin the C: drive to the Win Taskbar and it would open in cascading style

"MysteryMan"

Today at 2:25 PM

2026-10 Preview Update Builds: 26300.9818 and 26200.9818 (KB5127936) has been released. Moderate time needed for those choosing to perform a manual download/install/restart. Quality improvements only. No new operating system features.

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