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Last reply May 23, 2020 · posted in Broadband Internet

Article: FCC Proposes Relaxing Ownership Rules for Broadcasters to Deliver Internet Services

FCC Proposes Relaxing Ownership Rules for Broadcasters to Deliver Internet Services

Commission to vote in June on using ATSC 3.0 for new service

www.tvtechnology.com

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harshness

May 19, 2020

Unless they're planning on implementing multicast, it would take a bit more than a whole frequency to provide "broadband" inbound speeds to a single customer.

Where do they expect the customer to get their outbound bandwidth?

As the article points out, this is all a ploy to allow the broadcasters to get around anti-monopoly rules.

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Juan

May 19, 2020

harshness said:
Unless they're planning on implementing multicast, it would take a bit more than a whole frequency to provide "broadband" inbound speeds to a single customer.

Where do they expect the customer to get their outbound bandwidth?

As the article points out, this is all a ploy to allow the broadcasters to get around anti-monopoly rules.

Streaming services are not new...they have been well proven...networks are just late to the party

harshness

May 19, 2020

Juan said:
Streaming services are not new...they have been well proven...networks are just late to the party

You're missing the point.

Here we're talking about live streaming channels instead of "broadcasting" them because there aren't station ownership restrictions on streaming. The end result for those who possess NextGen capable TVs is the same but the anti-trust rules are out the window because they don't (yet) apply to "streaming" services. How can they broadcast a signal that carries multicast TV channels and not be broadcasters?

There is a different form of shenanigans (in favor of the broadcasters) going on in the audio broadcast business: the broadcasters can push out radio streams on the Internet and not have to pay the same royalties that the streaming services have to pay.

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Juan

May 19, 2020

harshness said:
You're missing the point.

Here we're talking about live streaming channels instead of "broadcasting" them because there aren't station ownership restrictions on streaming. The end result for those who possess NextGen capable TVs is the same but the anti-trust rules are out the window because they don't (yet) apply to "streaming" services. How can they broadcast a signal that carries multicast TV channels and not be broadcasters?

There is a different form of shenanigans (in favor of the broadcasters) going on in the audio broadcast business: the broadcasters can push out radio streams on the Internet and not have to pay the same royalties that the streaming services have to pay.

The real loser will be the local station owners...mostly conglomerate's now...in 20 years or so OTA tv broadcasting will cease and networks will be like any other cable or streaming channel...might have local personslized streams by then or maybe some whole new technolgy that hasn't emerged yet...smartphones were unknown in 2000...eventually something will replace them..

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harshness

May 19, 2020

Juan said:
The real loser will be the local station owners...mostly conglomerate's now.

I don't think you could be more wrong. It seems likely that the mom and pops would be able ask whatever price they wanted -- something they can't do as long as the anti-monopoly rules are making such acquisitions difficult.

FTA4PA

May 23, 2020

Could be good or bad depending on how it all plays out. Here is an informative video from a young gentleman who does antenna installs and is familiar with the ATSC 3.0 rollout.

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harshness

May 23, 2020

FTA4PA said:
Could be good or bad depending on how it all plays out.

Another party that seems to have been bamboozled into believing that one TV station could provide two-way broadband service (25Mbps down, 3Mbps up by FCC definition) to more than one customer at a time using some fraction of their 6MHz channel.

ATSC 3.0 offers about 28-36Mbps bandwidth all in per channel depending on parameters chosen. 25Mbps inbound and 3Mbps outbound leaves little or no room for an HD TV channel. I'm making an assumption that higher bandwidth will likely result in error rates that may be acceptable for TV but aren't for data.

The numbers don't add up even if they deploy ATSC 3.0 as a massive Single Frequency Network configuration with very tiny cells.

I think this is more about making universal broadband noises that Congress wants to hear without troubling themselves with the fundamental Physics behind it all. How do they plan to facilitate outbound data as part of this? TV channels reach so many people because they are "multicasting" but "broadband Internet" is about a dedicated personal service that you can do what you want when you want and that's not something you can do with only 28Mbps (times how ever many SFN cells you have) to spread amongst all your customers.

I submit that the broadcasters are saying one thing but have something entirely different in mind. I wonder if they've finally come to the realization that voluntary adoption was a pipe dream.

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Foxbat

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Last reply 18 minutes ago · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

New Apple TV 4K released, plus other Apple Home devices.

Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…

Apple TV 4K

Apple TV 4K. New Siri AI and hands-free control. Stunning picture and immersive HomePod surround sound. Works with your Apple and smart home devices.

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Ronnie-

Tuesday at 9:19 PM

Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.

Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.

It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

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navychop

Tuesday at 9:31 PM

Ronnie- said:
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.

navychop

Yesterday at 12:55 PM

Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?

KAB

Yesterday at 7:46 PM

navychop said:
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?

Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 12:08 AM

navychop said:
Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.

they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what

. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

ncted

Today at 8:58 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade

No. Makes me wonder if that is Apple or the carrier. I am on pre-paid, so I never get "an upgrade." I still have my old iPhone 11 Pro as a second line, and it runs iOS 27 just fine. My iPhone Air, which is still a current model, doesn't really seem that much faster in regular use. It is better in other ways, and worse in some ways than the 11 Pro (size), but performance really isn't a big differentiator, especially since I replaced the battery in the 11 Pro. If I had gotten enough storage when I originally bought the 11 Pro, it could still be my primary device with no issues.

ncted

Today at 9:00 AM

KAB said:
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!

Yeah, they boot up a bit slower than Roku, but the OS does a lot more, so it makes sense. How often are you booting them up that is a differentiator? Aside from OS updates, mine are on all the time. I will say the ATV4K is generally quicker than the Roku Ultras I have, when it comes to launching apps and responsiveness, not that the Roku is sluggish.

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navychop

18 minutes ago

slow_poke_pete said:
apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones

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Last reply Today at 12:59 PM · posted in TV Shows

Frisco King - Paramount Plus

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December 18, 2026 Paramount plus

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Howard Simmons

Today at 11:36 AM

osu1991 said:
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December 18, 2026 Paramount plus

Another Tulsa King spin off.

dishstaller

Today at 12:59 PM

Howard Simmons said:
Another Tulsa King spin off.

But.....if you like Tulsa King....looks like you would probably like this as well. I don't mind spin-offs as long as they don't involve a sassy niece who moves from the big city

Therm

Last reply Today at 12:56 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Am I the only one that hates what Dish did to their mobile app?

I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?

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Juan

Today at 11:52 AM

Not alot of dish customers any more

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Foxbat

Today at 12:12 PM

I'm not a big fan of the new layout, especially on my Apple TV. It used to look like the old Guide layout on the Hopper 3, but they changed parts of that, too.

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dishstaller

Today at 12:56 PM

I really dislike change for the sake of change

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TheRatPatrol

Last reply Today at 12:50 PM · posted in TV Shows

NCIS

Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?

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Jimbo

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Jimbo

Tuesday at 6:25 PM

Jimbo said:
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?

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Howard Simmons

Yesterday at 1:19 PM

Jimbo said:
Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?

Tony as the director.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 2:13 PM

Howard Simmons said:
Tony as the director.

Would you rather have LaRoche ???

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dfergie

Yesterday at 4:37 PM

I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...

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Howard Simmons

Today at 11:30 AM

Jimbo said:
Would you rather have LaRoche ???

No. Bring in someone new.

Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.

Jimbo

Today at 12:50 PM

Howard Simmons said:
No. Bring in someone new. Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.

I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.

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dishstaller

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Last reply Today at 12:43 PM · posted in Movie Talk

Trailer for new Jim Caviezel movie Ghost Soldier

Might be worth a watch when it comes out. Looks like typical big corp against the little guy movie BUT....there is a reason this plot type is so oft repeated, it draws audiences.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-f9OGsKHd4

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dishstaller

Today at 12:43 PM

BTW, I noticed right after I posted this that someone else had already mentioned it....sorry for the duplicate thread. Still looking forward to seeing the movie.

meStevo

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Last reply Today at 12:42 PM · posted in Movie Talk

Project Hail Mary

If you're going try to read / listen to the book (can't recommend the audio book enough) before this comes out, I'd avoid trailers.

Trailer below, spoiling it to make sure you read the above bold message first. The book / audio book are fantastic. Go into this blind if you can IMO!

View: https://youtu.be/m08TxIsFTRI

Kind of disappointed at how much they show. A lot still to see, but man, some good reveals in the book that are just served up here.

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meStevo

Mar 20, 2026

I've seen it twice. Can't recommend the audio book enough, Ray Porter's performance is amazing and there's so much more in the book than the movie.

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Foxbat

Jul 2, 2026

"Project Hail Mary" should be on Prime Video starting Friday, July 3.

'It Is Time Go!' — Project Hail Mary Is Officially Coming to Prime Video

Amazon has confirmed that Project Hail Mary will be coming to Prime Video.

www.ign.com

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klang

Jul 2, 2026

Forgot to comment. I did watch when it first came out on MGM. I enjoyed it a lot. I think reading the book made it easier to watch. Several friends commented it was a little hard to follow.

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TRG

Jul 2, 2026

"astrophage". I read the book but didn't see the film yet.

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Howard Simmons

Jul 3, 2026

Foxbat said:
"Project Hail Mary" should be on Prime Video starting Friday, July 3.

'It Is Time Go!' — Project Hail Mary Is Officially Coming to Prime Video

Amazon has confirmed that Project Hail Mary will be coming to Prime Video.

www.ign.com

That's what I will be watching this weekend.

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klang

Sep 29, 2026

Kindle book on sale for $2.99 today at Amazon.

dishstaller

Today at 12:42 PM

meStevo said:
.........there's so much more in the book than the movie.

I agree. That can go for pretty much any book vs movie. Back when I was single I would read any Stephen King or John Grisham book I could get my hands on. When you read a book you make up the scenes and characters in your mind.....the movie version always disappoints.

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