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3D could yet make a comeback worthy of Dracula. Could it be driven by 8K HDR? [opinion]

Although the first couple times I read the article, I thought it probably was legit, but I later figured I probably was hoping against hope. I would LOVE to see such a device that has 8K HDR plus 3D in it. I would love to see 3D in a higher than regular HD resolution to it. Yes, I have a 4K active 3D TV (but no HDR sadly), and yes I know it would upscale it to a 4K picture. And yes I even know that 4K passive 3D TV still upscale it to a greater than HD picture. But I would love to see 3D in TRUE 4K, and even hopefully HDR as well. Although I would definitely even love an 8K HDR active 3D TV so I could watch 3D in 8K HDR (in either both upscaled or actual), I know that the general public HATED the 3D glasses, so I know that would be too much for me to ask to get the full resolution with the active glasses (and I know the active glasses were especially hated), so glasses-free would be a great compromise.. But still, it would be a higher resolution for 3D on any TV than any other method (it possibly could be greater than 4K HDR resolution). And yes, even though it's not that big of a deal for me, in some ways I would love the glasses-free aspect as well. I have also heard some say that with the new Avatar movies coming out in the next few years, I heard that this could make it possible to have a 8K HDR glasses-free 3D TV come (as James Cameron even talked about those movies playing in 3D in glasses-free 3D theaters). But like I originally said, I have my doubts. Anyways, I'd like to read from the other posters here, and read from some MORE INFORMED POSTERS on the subject, as I believe that at least a few of you would know light-years ahead of me.
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KE4EST
I would not hold my breath. Navy is right, it is dead.
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I would not hold my breath. Navy is right, it is dead.

I don't know if that's completely true what he said. 3D or not, I see 8K HDR as inevitable once the costs get lower. They already have some on the market but they're worth a fortune.


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harshness
I don't know if that's completely true what he said. 3D or not, I see 8K HDR as inevitable once the costs get lower.
In terms of content, 4K isn't really here yet so I think it is pretty unlikely that 8K will be something everyone will want anytime in the next 10 years or more. 8K currently appeals to those who have been falsely convinced that they're future proofing their TV purchase. It is likely that none of the 8K TVs that are available today will survive until there's sufficient 8K content available to get excited about. The fact that most current films are being shot to 4K at best means there's not any hope of scanning film or getting native resolution video. The best hope will be scanning older film-based films and anything that gets shot from here on out in 8K or better (unlikely, I think as the movie theaters seem to be favoring more smaller screens).

3D seems to make a short-lived comeback every 35 years or so so keep your eyes peeled in the 2040s. Of course by then, the youth of today will still be watching content on their phones and tablets and direct view televisions will quite possibly be a faded memory.
Bruce
In terms of content, 4K isn't really here yet so I think it is pretty unlikely that 8K will be something everyone will want anytime in the next 10 years or more.

Disagree strongly with 4K and content, there is tons of it, just not on Traditional Providers.

That is one of the reasons why those type of services are growing.

There are, of course, more reasons why Traditional Providers are slowly dying then just not offering 4K.
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harshness
Disagree strongly with 4K and content, there is tons of it, just not on Traditional Providers.
Relative to the number of titles, 4K makes up a rather small portion of what's currently available. The premium movie channels offer some of their exclusive content in 4K but most isn't. Same with Amazon Prime and Netflix. The percentage is very low.

Sports-wise, the 4K options are knife-edge thin. The broadcast TV networks haven't taken to 4K in any meaningful way.

Unless all you watch is blockbuster movies and "original programming" streaming content, 4K is most certainly not available by the ton.
Bruce
Relative to the number of titles, 4K makes up a rather small portion of what's currently available. The premium movie channels offer some of their exclusive content in 4K but most isn't. Same with Amazon Prime and Netflix. The percentage is very low.

Sports-wise, the 4K options are knife-edge thin. The broadcast TV networks haven't taken to 4K in any meaningful way.

Unless all you watch is blockbuster movies and "original programming" streaming content, 4K is most certainly not available by the ton.

You are correct as far as Traditional Providers go, which the Premium Movie, Broadcast, cable and sports channels are part of, and those channels are slowly dying and ratings are getting less and less a year.

Providers themselves have less and less customers, Dish Satellite Network just a few years ago had roughly 14 million subs, now in the 8 million range, at the rate DirecTV is going, they will not have anyone left in a few years.

Now as far as content in 4K and Netflix goes, the vast majority of their new programming ( and there is a lot of it) is in 4K and has been for more then 8 years, it is obvious they find value to broadcast in 4K and that is part of why their sub numbers are so good,

Heck in their short lifecycle of doing video over the net, they have more subs then HBO, both in the US and worldwide and HBO has been in business more then 40 years.

HBO US-36.3 million
HBO Worldwide-138 million

Netflix US-65 million
NETFLIX Worldwide-190 million

Prime is a little different, while all their new content is in 4K, there is not much of it, they premiere about 2 new seasons a month of 4K, of either new or returning shows, I would think the majority of people who have Prime is because of the shipping, myself included, been great for us during our move.

While Prime does not have a lot in 4K, it is still more then every Traditional Broadcast, Cable, News, Sports Channels combined.
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harshness
You are correct as far as Traditional Providers go, which the Premium Movie, Broadcast, cable and sports channels are part of, and those channels are slowly dying and ratings are getting less and less a year.
While I understand that it is your mission to take pot shots at the incumbent video services at every opportunity, the question is about 4K (and perhaps ultimately 8K) and your reasoning doesn't really support your position on MPVDs or 4K.

If there were a market, there would be a lot more broad content available in 4K regardless of the carrier. The problem starts at the movie and TV production houses that haven't seen fit to make their products available in 4K. While some have embraced 4K, most apparently haven't seen the ongoing value proposition and, perhaps to a greater extent, too many of the newer tentpole movies have been rehashes of older blockbuster movies. Even some of the HDR/WCG content is really styled in the old way with the contrast, tint and grain of old.

It doesn't help 4K's case that a large percentage of the installed base of UHD TVs doesn't correctly handle (or even support) HDR and WCG (IMO where the real benefits of the new technology lie). That the old OLED weenies are holding up the HDR parade with their limited overall brightness doesn't help. For most it isn't all about the blacks (or the bass). It is also a little like 3D all over again where the available content was only in certain genres (animation and CGI-heavy titles).

There's perhaps just enough 4K out there for viewers to get their "fix" but not enough to get the majority to move off the HD dime and the offerings of the various carriers (both MPVD and streaming) largely bears that out.
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I DO happen to see 8K HDR in the popular market in the future, and maybe 3D would at least make a temporary comeback, but that would only happen if it didn't require the glasses. I know James Cameron wants to have the Avatar sequels play in the theaters in glasses-free 3D.


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harshness
The big question of 8K is why? How big must the screen be and how close must you be sitting to it to optically discern the higher pixel count? I know I couldn't fit such a screen in my home and if I were sitting that close to the moving wall, I'm pretty sure I would be queasy most of the time. If you think that 8K is going to leap-frog 4K because it is so much better, you're wrong.

3D is mostly a novelty and that's been used up for this iteration. They made the chickens but the chickens turned out to be substantially sterile -- much more for lack of engaging content than the discomfort and inconvenience of 3D glasses. It won't matter how many runs they take at 3D if they can't more than a token gesture of 3D programming.
Ramy
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
osu1991
AZ.
AZ.
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
Jimbo
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
This will be a SAD DAY when this passes ....

They complained the last year that we had a bunch of Blow Outs in the Playoffs ... heres an idea, lets Double the amount of teams and hope for Closer games ... ya right.

This never should have went past 8 teams, 10 at the most.

Now, I have heard that play in games are being talked about, such as #13 plays #24 and so forth, to cut the field down (why cut it down, just don't expand it.)
I'm not sure exactly how thats going to work out or if it was just someone talking.
Jimbo
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...
Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Rock And Roll All Nite - Kiss
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Rock and Roll Ain't Noise Pollution - AC/DC
Bobby
Kiss - The Art Of Noise
long_time_Dish
Beautiful Noise - Neil Diamond
sdfntx
White Noise - Jessie Baylin
dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Can't help but wonder if a worker overlooked checking the harness. I rarely ride a roller coaster anymore but when I do I check the harness myself pretty aggressively.
Can't imagine what the son is going through.

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Jimbo
dishstaller
Had no idea there were that many redundancies built into those restraints.
Jimbo
Had no idea there were that many redundancies built into those restraints.
It makes sense, however, I would want more types of restraints, so if one doesn't work, the other does ... the restraints coming over the shoulder I would have expected ... with a Seat belt as last resort.

Fwiw, I inquired with what they use on Coasters at Cedar Point, various Coasters, different restraints according to what the car and track requires ...

NONE of the Coasters at CP use THAT particular system :)
I'm glad to see ...
dishstaller
with a Seat belt as last resort.
According to the article, when you see a seat belt on a ride like this, it is basically used as a way of making sure the rider isn't too large/fat to safely ride the ride.
Jimbo
According to the article, when you see a seat belt on a ride like this, it is basically used as a way of making sure the rider isn't too large/fat to safely ride the ride.
Well, the over the shoulder support is better, but would require reconfiguring the cars.
Jimbo
Heres an article from the Akron Beacon ... seeing Six Flags has bought Cedar Point and Kings Island, they are included ...
I said earlier that Cedar Point doesn't use this type of seat restraint ... well, it does use it, But the difference is, the ones up here ALSO have the Over the shoulder restraint as well ... like I was suggesting that they should have used with the Goliath.

One of the new(er) one at Cedar point the Gate Keeper, uses the Clam shell .. I have rode it many times and have Mostly felt secure, that ride will stop you part way on the ride and you just hang, till the ride is ready to continue ... I typically ride the Front Car ... when its getting ready, you ARE hanging, in the car, looking down .... it would require 2 separate restraint systems to unlock at the same time to possibly get out of it.

meStevo
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Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Selfish Drake Maye holds back on giving the ball to Bills unlike Jags game, gets the win on the road.
zippyfrog
That image is so true - especially after that Giants/Commanders game yesterday.
dfergie
Some tight games that went to the wire...
Y
Selfish Drake Maye holds back on giving the ball to Bills unlike Jags game, gets the win on the road.
A big win for the Patriots, and they are now 3-2.

Browns lose a close one with... The Jets. That is a classic Browns loss (granted, any loss is a classic one it seems). 49'ers, Vikings, and Chiefs remain undefeated. The AFC north have a three way tie at 3-2 for second place. :eek:
osu1991
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Wasn't exactly sure where to post this. Just had a customer come in inquiring about internet. He has HughesNet and had heard good things about mine. He asked if we provided email addresses and it kinda caught me off guard. I said he should be able to keep whatever email he had been using....my sister in law is still using a BellSouth email addy and they haven't been around here for many years. He said he had gotten a letter from HughesNet stating that they had until Nov 16th to save, move, forward, whatever, their Hughesnet emails because they would lose them after that date.

I have never heard of a company simply mass-deleting email accounts (the customer still has his HughesNet service). From what I understand, in the past, the company who was ditching their email service simply sold the customer base to a company like Google.

Anyone else getting this letter. He said he would show it to me tomorrow when I go out there and set up his internet.
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Foxbat
Doing a Google of the HughesNet Email notice, it seems that HughesNet has been trying to eliminate hosting emails since 2019. And with HughesNet filing Chapter 11 back in August, it would be a smart move to switch to a more stable Email provider. Even AT&T farmed out their Email to Yahoo! years ago.

SpaceX's Starlink and the Cellular 5G Home Internet solutions have pretty much relegated HughesNet and its high latency, low bandwidth Internet service to History. If Earth had shorter days, maybe a Geostationary Internet Solution might have stood a fighting chance…
dishstaller
Well, I helped him set up a gmail acct....I actually wanted to see what the new process is for setting up a gmail acct since it had been years since I set mine up. Anyway, I showed him how to forward the emails he wanted to keep over.
navychop
If Earth had shorter days,

Wouldn't we then die of old age sooner?

🙄
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Foxbat
Wouldn't we then die of old age sooner?

🙄
Still the same number of years, just more Sunsets…😉
K
Even AT&T farmed out their Email to Yahoo! years ago.

I still have one of those although I've been trying to wean myself off it.
JSheridan
Among my many email accounts I still have a .netscape.net which AOL assimilated a while back.
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dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in TV Shows
Hard getting used to the new younger Gibbs, Mark Harmons son had the right look but I understand he didn't want the role.
Still I'm enjoying, pretty good job with Franks.
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"MysteryMan"
Best episode ever.
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Jimbo
Best episode ever.
I actually think the very first episode was One of the Best ...
S1 E1 Yankee White
Where it all started in what was it, 2003 ?

edit:
Sorry, I got the shows mixed up, were talking Origins ...
I've liked Most of them once we've gotten past the 1st 3-4, getting to know who was who took a bit in the beginning.
It's a bit harder seeing we already Know the person, then go back and see how they became that person.
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KAB
Mark Harmon is coming back as Gibbs in Origins, for the full season. Just saw, Dinozzo too, on NCIS . That will be an interesting writing project.
dfergie
Really good one with OG Gibbs bookending it...
R
Really good one with OG Gibbs bookending it...
Will the OG Gibbs be on NCIS or will Tony be on NCIS Origins?
TheRatPatrol
Last reply · posted in TV Shows
Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Jimbo

Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
Tony as the director.🙄
Jimbo
Tony as the director.🙄
Would you rather have LaRoche ???
dfergie
I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
H
Last reply · posted in FTA Receiver / Equipment Support
I just received 6 receiver 2 port mini Multiswitch and it work great, no external power need it, and you can connect 6 receiver instead of 4 on most Mini Multiswitches... If anyone is interested in where they can get one PM me....
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Titanium
Have you tested using external power? Over the years, have found unpowered polarity switching to be unreliable. Especially problematic when used with DiSEqC motors or switch stacking.
H
No I have not. I just got it the other day and it is connected to six receivers working just fine. What I do is non power mini multi-switches work best with LNBF's and with LNB's
H
It also has a IPS and a OPS switch on the side of it with a power led light showing when is on. It seems to be very nice build switch
Bobby
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.

As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
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Bobby
MLB, Brewers at Dodgers, Wednesday 10-14, 5PM PDT, Channel 148-02.
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MLB, Brewers at Dodgers, Thursday 10-15, 6PM PDT, Channel 148-02.
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CFB, Notre Dame at BYU, Saturday 10-27, 4:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.
Bobby
NASCAR, Freeway Insurance 500, Sunday 10-18, 12PM PDT, Channel 148-04.
Bobby
CFB, Ohio State at Indiana, Saturday 10-17, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Arizona State at Texas Tech, Saturday 10-17, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Yeah. It's probably something going on with the MacBook as my iPhone has been pretty snappy.
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I have been optimizing the site the past few days... and got us here now. :) We are rocking now!

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Foxbat
Yeah. It's probably something going on with the MacBook as my iPhone has been pretty snappy.
I rebooted my MacBook Air and it's zipping right along. Sorry, but it was taking over 20 seconds to load pages, with the pulsing blue bars so it was munching on something.
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Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
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Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
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