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Well after reading this it is not sounding good for us:
heating up, given it's already been the subject of high-level jabs from SpaceX, Dish Network and others at loggerheads over how the spectrum should be used. But if a recent Zoom event is any indication, the debate is indeed ratcheting up.
Maybe it has something to do with the $81 billion the C-band auction raised. The 12 GHz band, once considered high on the cellular spectrum charts, is now being described as one of the best positioned mid-band spectrum bands potentially available for 5G. Granted, the C-band involved lower spectrum, in the 3.7 GHz band, but that was only 280 megahertz up for auction. The 12 GHz band represents a chance to bring a full 500-megahertz contiguous spectrum band to market for 5G.
The FCBA Foundation hosted a Zoom meeting on Thursday that included representatives from AT&T, Dish Network, RS Access and OneWeb, where panelists clashed over whether it's possible for the band to be shared between satellite and terrestrial users. The FCC in January voted to issue a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) on the 12 GHz band, exploring whether rules may be changed to accommodate 5G services.
RELATED: Dish, RS Access cheer FCC move to re-evaluate 12 GHz band
Dish is one of the original members behind the 2016 MVDDS 5G Coalition petition that asked the commission to consider new uses for the band and it's supportive of the FCC's NPRM. It is one of the main users of the 12 GHz band for its direct broadcast satellite (DBS) offering that serves millions of satellite TV subscribers who use it to watch video.
Dish also holds the greatest number of MVDDS licenses; it has 82 licenses. That gives Dish a unique perspective on the potential for sharing the band and using it to support 5G. "Dish believes there's a path forward for sharing between DBS and terrestrial, flexible use," said Alison Minea, senior counsel at Dish. "This is 500 megahertz of contiguous spectrum that's far better in terms of propagation" than some other spectrum allocated for 5G.
Dish's hope, at the end of this, is the FCC can find a way to allow two-way, terrestrial flexible operations in the 12 GHz band while protecting DBS. "We believe that this is a win-win outcome," she said.
Alternative spectrum for NGSOs?
As for the satellite operators that are currently using the band for trials and demos, she said Dish wants to see them be successful and suggested there are other spectrum resources they can use.
"I would love to know what other band you think we could use," said Ruth Pritchard-Kelly, senior advisor at OneWeb. "That is one of the biggest questions that the satellite industry has."
OneWeb's low earth orbit (LEO) strategy calls for providing last mile connectivity for mobile network operators to make sure they can connect everyone and that connection doesn't have to be done solely with a terrestrial network, she said.
RELATED: SpaceX accuses MVDDS operators of 12 GHz band 'take-over' attempt
The satellite services are being prepared. "We've already started demos and trials," she said, and by the end of 2022, the entire globe will be covered by SpaceX and OneWeb constellations. "I love engineers. They're amazing. I do hope they figure out a way to share the spectrum, but as it stands now, certainly our opening position is you can't share with a ubiquitous thing that is moving."
Oh, yes you can share
RS Access holds 82 licenses in the MVDDS band; its frequency covers about 25% of the U.S. geography and about 16% of the U.S. population.
"This is a very unique resource," said V. Noah Campbell, founder and CEO of RS Access. "It's a huge amount of spectrum... It's fairly lightly used."
RS Access is not against non-geostationary orbit (NGSO) services, such as SpaceX's Starlink, Amazon, or OneWeb. They will play a critical role in bridging the digital divide, he added.
As a result of the NPRM, RS Access is engaged in an intensive engineering analysis and its preliminary analysis shows sharing is feasible here. "I think we have creative solutions," he said. The NPRM was announced on January 15, when the initial stage of the C-band auction closed with proceeds over $80 billion, and "there's obviously a huge amount of demand… for mid-band spectrum." The 12 GHz band is "very much like mid-band spectrum."
RS Access has pointed out that both SpaceX and OneWeb were put on notice when they received authorization to use the spectrum that it could be used for something else in the future. "The Commission has repeatedly warned SpaceX and other NGSO FSS authorization recipients that it was considering the initiation of an NPRM on exactly this issue," RS Access told the FCC last November. "Neither SpaceX nor OneWeb can claim to be surprised that the Commission could initiate an NPRM on this matter."
Current state of usage
As for the current users of the spectrum, "this is our bread and butter," Minea said. "This is how Dish began," providing satellite TV. DBS is a business that it hopes to grow over time, she said, even though it is currently losing subscribers.
"Our engineering studies indicate there is a very viable plan for DBS to share with terrestrial flexible use," she said. Engineering coordination measures will be required, but "all of this is doable."
DirecTV is the biggest user of the band, and it uses the entire 500 MHz to support its subscribers, according to Raquel Noriega, director, Federal Regulatory at AT&T. "We certainly do not see an engineering path forward here" for sharing, she said.
(AT&T last month announced a deal with TPG Capital to sell a minority stake in its linear video businesses DirecTV, U-verse and AT&T TV. The new DirecTV company will be run by Bill Morrow, who once led Clearwire.)
Pritchard-Kelly said one of the things about satellites is "we can't just switch from Ku to Ka." The satellite is in the sky for its lifetime, which can be 15 to 20 years. This is the kind of discussion that needs to go on for years to give engineers time to discover other bands, she added. "This is a highly used band for a service that at this time, has no alternative."
Users and prospective users of the 12 GHz band will have a chance to tell the FCC what they think should be done. Initial comments in the NPRM are expected to be filed by April 7, with reply comments due May 7.
heating up, given it's already been the subject of high-level jabs from SpaceX, Dish Network and others at loggerheads over how the spectrum should be used. But if a recent Zoom event is any indication, the debate is indeed ratcheting up.
Maybe it has something to do with the $81 billion the C-band auction raised. The 12 GHz band, once considered high on the cellular spectrum charts, is now being described as one of the best positioned mid-band spectrum bands potentially available for 5G. Granted, the C-band involved lower spectrum, in the 3.7 GHz band, but that was only 280 megahertz up for auction. The 12 GHz band represents a chance to bring a full 500-megahertz contiguous spectrum band to market for 5G.
The FCBA Foundation hosted a Zoom meeting on Thursday that included representatives from AT&T, Dish Network, RS Access and OneWeb, where panelists clashed over whether it's possible for the band to be shared between satellite and terrestrial users. The FCC in January voted to issue a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) on the 12 GHz band, exploring whether rules may be changed to accommodate 5G services.
RELATED: Dish, RS Access cheer FCC move to re-evaluate 12 GHz band
Dish is one of the original members behind the 2016 MVDDS 5G Coalition petition that asked the commission to consider new uses for the band and it's supportive of the FCC's NPRM. It is one of the main users of the 12 GHz band for its direct broadcast satellite (DBS) offering that serves millions of satellite TV subscribers who use it to watch video.
Dish also holds the greatest number of MVDDS licenses; it has 82 licenses. That gives Dish a unique perspective on the potential for sharing the band and using it to support 5G. "Dish believes there's a path forward for sharing between DBS and terrestrial, flexible use," said Alison Minea, senior counsel at Dish. "This is 500 megahertz of contiguous spectrum that's far better in terms of propagation" than some other spectrum allocated for 5G.
Dish's hope, at the end of this, is the FCC can find a way to allow two-way, terrestrial flexible operations in the 12 GHz band while protecting DBS. "We believe that this is a win-win outcome," she said.
Alternative spectrum for NGSOs?
As for the satellite operators that are currently using the band for trials and demos, she said Dish wants to see them be successful and suggested there are other spectrum resources they can use.
"I would love to know what other band you think we could use," said Ruth Pritchard-Kelly, senior advisor at OneWeb. "That is one of the biggest questions that the satellite industry has."
OneWeb's low earth orbit (LEO) strategy calls for providing last mile connectivity for mobile network operators to make sure they can connect everyone and that connection doesn't have to be done solely with a terrestrial network, she said.
RELATED: SpaceX accuses MVDDS operators of 12 GHz band 'take-over' attempt
The satellite services are being prepared. "We've already started demos and trials," she said, and by the end of 2022, the entire globe will be covered by SpaceX and OneWeb constellations. "I love engineers. They're amazing. I do hope they figure out a way to share the spectrum, but as it stands now, certainly our opening position is you can't share with a ubiquitous thing that is moving."
Oh, yes you can share
RS Access holds 82 licenses in the MVDDS band; its frequency covers about 25% of the U.S. geography and about 16% of the U.S. population.
"This is a very unique resource," said V. Noah Campbell, founder and CEO of RS Access. "It's a huge amount of spectrum... It's fairly lightly used."
RS Access is not against non-geostationary orbit (NGSO) services, such as SpaceX's Starlink, Amazon, or OneWeb. They will play a critical role in bridging the digital divide, he added.
As a result of the NPRM, RS Access is engaged in an intensive engineering analysis and its preliminary analysis shows sharing is feasible here. "I think we have creative solutions," he said. The NPRM was announced on January 15, when the initial stage of the C-band auction closed with proceeds over $80 billion, and "there's obviously a huge amount of demand… for mid-band spectrum." The 12 GHz band is "very much like mid-band spectrum."
RS Access has pointed out that both SpaceX and OneWeb were put on notice when they received authorization to use the spectrum that it could be used for something else in the future. "The Commission has repeatedly warned SpaceX and other NGSO FSS authorization recipients that it was considering the initiation of an NPRM on exactly this issue," RS Access told the FCC last November. "Neither SpaceX nor OneWeb can claim to be surprised that the Commission could initiate an NPRM on this matter."
Current state of usage
As for the current users of the spectrum, "this is our bread and butter," Minea said. "This is how Dish began," providing satellite TV. DBS is a business that it hopes to grow over time, she said, even though it is currently losing subscribers.
"Our engineering studies indicate there is a very viable plan for DBS to share with terrestrial flexible use," she said. Engineering coordination measures will be required, but "all of this is doable."
DirecTV is the biggest user of the band, and it uses the entire 500 MHz to support its subscribers, according to Raquel Noriega, director, Federal Regulatory at AT&T. "We certainly do not see an engineering path forward here" for sharing, she said.
(AT&T last month announced a deal with TPG Capital to sell a minority stake in its linear video businesses DirecTV, U-verse and AT&T TV. The new DirecTV company will be run by Bill Morrow, who once led Clearwire.)
Pritchard-Kelly said one of the things about satellites is "we can't just switch from Ku to Ka." The satellite is in the sky for its lifetime, which can be 15 to 20 years. This is the kind of discussion that needs to go on for years to give engineers time to discover other bands, she added. "This is a highly used band for a service that at this time, has no alternative."
Users and prospective users of the 12 GHz band will have a chance to tell the FCC what they think should be done. Initial comments in the NPRM are expected to be filed by April 7, with reply comments due May 7.
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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On Tuesday, I recorded the first episodes of the new season's NCIS shows on CBS (Dish provided, not OTA). The new New York series and Origins will both do Auto Skip, but the original, now season 24 does not. What's stranger, when I do a search for NCIS, Origins and New York show the current recording and the next episode it will record, but the original show only shows the current recording and some other channel showing the very first episode of season one. It makes no sense. When I set up the timers, I was able to use search for Origins and New York, but for the original, I had to scroll ahead in the guide until last Tuesday when the show was airing. Then set the timer from there. You can see its timer type is DVR where the other two are Seek. What am I missing?
Thanks!
Thanks!
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I created this thread on the original Edgecutter Cutting Edge Forums site. It's simply a place for those to review the latest software available for those using Windows 10 and Windows 11. To date it has received 112,559 views. I have been asked by staff to continue this thread here.
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To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.
For niche use cases, yes I agree. Kali for ethical hacking and security testing, and running a Cacti server for network monitoring are the two things I have experience in. Plus thousands and thousands of other things, but for every day use I just can't see it. The owner of the GMRS repeater that I pay to access is changing the Tx DPL tones tomorrow, while Chirp is available on Linux, the software to program my MXT500 is not.To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.
I run Fedora and Ubuntu in VMWare, honestly I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows. The cartoonish dock at the bottom of the screen reminds me of Apple products.
As I said above, and, FWIW, I run Win11 Pro and Arch on separate 250 GB NVME drives, using F8 to select which I boot to, with a 1TB SSD for storage, accessible to both OSs and a third formatted Nvme I want to use to learn Kali. It was much faster to setup Arch than it was to strip down Windows. Windows still takes much longer to boot.
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Hard getting used to the new younger Gibbs, Mark Harmons son had the right look but I understand he didn't want the role.
Still I'm enjoying, pretty good job with Franks.
Still I'm enjoying, pretty good job with Franks.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Wasn't exactly sure where to post this. Just had a customer come in inquiring about internet. He has HughesNet and had heard good things about mine. He asked if we provided email addresses and it kinda caught me off guard. I said he should be able to keep whatever email he had been using....my sister in law is still using a BellSouth email addy and they haven't been around here for many years. He said he had gotten a letter from HughesNet stating that they had until Nov 16th to save, move, forward, whatever, their Hughesnet emails because they would lose them after that date.
I have never heard of a company simply mass-deleting email accounts (the customer still has his HughesNet service). From what I understand, in the past, the company who was ditching their email service simply sold the customer base to a company like Google.
Anyone else getting this letter. He said he would show it to me tomorrow when I go out there and set up his internet.
I have never heard of a company simply mass-deleting email accounts (the customer still has his HughesNet service). From what I understand, in the past, the company who was ditching their email service simply sold the customer base to a company like Google.
Anyone else getting this letter. He said he would show it to me tomorrow when I go out there and set up his internet.
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Still the same number of years, just more Sunsets…Wouldn't we then die of old age sooner?
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Starting a thread klang !
After an amazing first 2 seasons and an 8 episode 3rd season still coming this year, season 4 has now been greenlit.
After an amazing first 2 seasons and an 8 episode 3rd season still coming this year, season 4 has now been greenlit.
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One episode into season 4 that dropped today...
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This thread is a place to discuss the 4K events that appear on channel 540. We are getting, at this point, one college football game a week. Let's hope there is more coming.
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Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything like those events in our Hopper 3 guide for tonight or Saturday.
I went into the Tools menu and requested a Guide Update. I'll try looking at it after the update completes.
edit — I now have the 148-01 4KFox events for Saturday, but not anything for 148-02 or 148-03 which don't even show as available channels. I do have 148-04 4KUSA.
As I recall you have the Flex package. Do you sub to multisport? -02 is FS1 and -03 is ESPN. -01 is Fox so you would get that if you sub to locals.Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything like those events in our Hopper 3 guide for tonight or Saturday.
I went into the Tools menu and requested a Guide Update. I'll try looking at it after the update completes.
edit — I now have the 148-01 4KFox events for Saturday, but not anything for 148-02 or 148-03 which don't even show as available channels. I do have 148-04 4KUSA.
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5R5Aw27yr0
Direct YouTube Link - A State Cyber-emergency in Japan
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