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Getting back to the OP's question of whether DTV is "still a thing," it looks like AT&T is set to spin off DTV to a newly formed, separate company any day now. The transaction is rumored to close this month or next. The new company will just be known as DIRECTV and operate out of El Segundo, CA, the original DTV HQ.

Meanwhile, looks like the brand is getting a new logo and slogan. Here's the new logo that leaked out for DIRECTV Stream, which is what they're renaming AT&T TV. I'm sure the new logo for DTV will just be the top part without "stream".



The slogan "Beam it or stream it" was found as being registered to the company recently. Get DTV either way you like: beam it via satellite or stream it over the net.

NashGuy said:

The slogan "Beam it or stream it" was found as being registered to the company recently. Get DTV either way you like: beam it via satellite or stream it over the net.

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This is what I thought they were going to do back when they first talked about doing streaming. It just makes too much sense to offer the same (or as close as possible to same) packages and channels and prices, you choose the delivery.

The only difference in what you ultimately pay would be related to differences in the install and what equipment is provided.

If they were smart they would support Directv clients over ethernet (for people who don't have coax) and AT&T TV clients over coax (for people who don't have ethernet and wireless isn't desired) using DECAs. Then you could swap out a Directv install for an AT&T TV install (or vice versa, if you already had or install a dish)

They'd just need to embed some testing/diagnostic software that runs automatically that can inform you about problems in your network / wireless, when your dish is out of alignment, and so forth. Can't believe they didn't do that years ago, but I guess AT&T would rather make people call them so they can try to sell them other products.

slice1900 said:

This is what I thought they were going to do back when they first talked about doing streaming. It just makes too much sense to offer the same (or as close as possible to same) packages and channels and prices, you choose the delivery.

The only difference in what you ultimately pay would be related to differences in the install and what equipment is provided.

If they were smart they would support Directv clients over ethernet (for people who don't have coax) and AT&T TV clients over coax (for people who don't have ethernet and wireless isn't desired) using DECAs. Then you could swap out a Directv install for an AT&T TV install (or vice versa, if you already had or install a dish)

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The channel packages are already very close between DTV and AT&T TV and I expect they're going to get closer still as AT&T TV becomes DTV Stream (e.g. adding some or all among PBS, ION, INSP, NFL Network, and Cowboy Channel, while also filling in the missing CW and My Network TV affiliates).

But I don't see them configuring the pricing so that it's the same given DTV's higher installation and equipment costs. I don't see them getting rid of DTV's 2-yr contract either in lieu of a $300 up-front installation charge.

And then you also have the fact that additional TVs (as well as other screens) can be used for no additional cost with the DTV Stream app while you must rent additional DTV receivers for $7/mo each. Or if you want the DTV Stream box, you can buy them for $120 each (or $5/mo for 24 months) rather than rent them as you do with DTV. The two products have different underlying costs and so DTV will require a higher ARPU than DTV Stream. And DTV Stream will be competing against YTTV, Hulu with Live TV, and Fubo TV, which all have a lower starting price point ($65/mo) than AT&T TV currently does ($70/mo).

So all that said, I don't see a unified checkout system where you see a single set of prices and you simply check a box as to whether you want your service delivered via DBS or OTT. Instead, I think we'll see both options featured on a new www.directv.com homepage and then the two services detailed on separate sub-pages, with separate checkout systems, from there.

DTV Stream will probably be what they mostly advertise. It will have its own slogan of "Get Your TV Together" likely referring to the fact that it allows you to watch cable TV via the same device/TV input/remote control that you use to watch streaming apps like Netflix, HBO Max, YouTube, Prime Video, etc. That's something you simply can't do on DTV or Uverse TV (or lots of traditional cable TV operators) given that those services' receivers lack streaming apps.

NashGuy said:

The channel packages are already very close between DTV and AT&T TV and I expect they're going to get closer still as AT&T TV becomes DTV Stream (e.g. adding some or all among PBS, ION, INSP, NFL Network, and Cowboy Channel, while also filling in the missing CW and My Network TV affiliates).

But I don't see them configuring the pricing so that it's the same given DTV's higher installation and equipment costs. I don't see them getting rid of DTV's 2-yr contract either in lieu of a $300 up-front installation charge.

And then you also have the fact that additional TVs (as well as other screens) can be used for no additional cost with the DTV Stream app while you must rent additional DTV receivers for $7/mo each. Or if you want the DTV Stream box, you can buy them for $120 each (or $5/mo for 24 months) rather than rent them as you do with DTV. The two products have different underlying costs and so DTV will require a higher ARPU than DTV Stream. And DTV Stream will be competing against YTTV, Hulu with Live TV, and Fubo TV, which all have a lower starting price point ($65/mo) than AT&T TV currently does ($70/mo).

So all that said, I don't see a unified checkout system where you see a single set of prices and you simply check a box as to whether you want your service delivered via DBS or OTT. Instead, I think we'll see both options featured on a new www.directv.com homepage and then the two services detailed on separate sub-pages, with separate checkout systems, from there.

DTV Stream will probably be what they mostly advertise. It will have its own slogan of "Get Your TV Together" likely referring to the fact that it allows you to watch cable TV via the same device/TV input/remote control that you use to watch streaming apps like Netflix, HBO Max, YouTube, Prime Video, etc. That's something you simply can't do on DTV or Uverse TV (or lots of traditional cable TV operators) given that those services' receivers lack streaming apps.

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So, as of now, you STILL need a BOX to do the D* Stream, right ?
I'll wait for the time when you can download the app onto your TV or Roku or Firestick.

Curious, if you don't need a Box (thinking in the future here) could you then head to your friends and turn on D* with your credentials and continue watching what you were watching at home ?

NashGuy said:

But I don't see them configuring the pricing so that it's the same given DTV's higher installation and equipment costs. I don't see them getting rid of DTV's 2-yr contract either in lieu of a $300 up-front installation charge.

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Who says the installation charge has to be up front? They can tell you it is $300 (or whatever...there's no way it costs them that much) and that you will pay it off at $12.50 a month for 24 months. If you cancel early you owe the balance. That would allow keeping the pricing in line and avoid the need for the two year commitment.

To really make this work they'd have to have an option for self installs. The receivers are able to able to tell if the install passes IV so they know the amateur did as good a job as their laziest employees.

Jimbo said:

So, as of now, you STILL need a BOX to do the D* Stream, right ?
I'll wait for the time when you can download the app onto your TV or Roku or Firestick.

Curious, if you don't need a Box (thinking in the future here) could you then head to your friends and turn on D* with your credentials and continue watching what you were watching at home ?

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No you don't and you never have. ATT TV has an app for almost every device. No box needed

comp9 said:

No you don't and you never have. ATT TV has an app for almost every device. No box needed

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So I can watch my D* stuff at anyone home that has a TV ?
As of right now, I can't get any of my local channels outside of my Home, even if I use the D* app on my Cell phone, let alone a Laptop/Tablet or TV.

Jimbo said:

So I can watch my D* stuff at anyone home that has a TV ?
As of right now, I can't get any of my local channels outside of my Home, even if I use the D* app on my Cell phone, let alone a Laptop/Tablet or TV.

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Correct. Login works anywhere. It is limited to 3 streams at once outside the home.


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MrMars said:

Correct. Login works anywhere. It is limited to 3 streams at once outside the home.


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However the App barely works ....
You only get a partial list of your channels, in my case, no Locals or RSN or MLB EI ect.

Jimbo said:

However the App barely works ....
You only get a partial list of your channels, in my case, no Locals or RSN or MLB EI ect.

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The ATT TV App works alot better then the Directv App

slice1900 said:

Who says the installation charge has to be up front? They can tell you it is $300 (or whatever...there's no way it costs them that much) and that you will pay it off at $12.50 a month for 24 months. If you cancel early you owe the balance. That would allow keeping the pricing in line and avoid the need for the two year commitment.

To really make this work they'd have to have an option for self installs. The receivers are able to able to tell if the install passes IV so they know the amateur did as good a job as their laziest employees.

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OK, but isn't that just a difference in semantics? (Not that semantics aren't important in marketing, mind you.) You can say that there's a 2-yr contract with an ETF based on the number of months remaining in your contract, or you can say there's no contract but you'll have an "installation balance due" based on the number of months until you reach your 2-yr anniversary.

And if they were to go that route, that would effectively mean that new customers would pay a *higher than regular* monthly price to begin with. So it wouldn't just be a matter of scrapping the reduced first-year promo pricing to entice new sign-ups, it would actually mean raising the cost the first 24 months above what you'd pay after that. Which might be fair to longtime customers who have long ago paid off their acquisition costs but it's probably not a great way to attract new subs. (But then again, I suspect the game plan going forward will be to use DTV Stream to attract new subs while just trying to hold onto DTV Sat's existing base on either service at a sufficiently profitable ARPU.)

IDK, I guess DTV Sat could be really slimy like lots of cablco's and have a fine-print "installation fee" tacked on to the advertised price, the same way caboco's do with their broadcast TV fee, which is typically in the $15-20 range these days. At least the installation fee wouldn't be permanent, only for the first 24 months. And as you say, it could be optional too if they allowed self-installs, including re-use of existing installations.

All that said, I'll be surprised if they really re-jigger the formula too much for DTV on any front -- pricing, packages, hardware. As I say, I think the plan will be to mainly advertise and build up DTV Stream while DTV continues to melt down (hopefully more slowly) toward a base of sports-loving rural dwellers.

NashGuy said:

OK, but isn't that just a difference in semantics? (Not that semantics aren't important in marketing, mind you.) You can say that there's a 2-yr contract with an ETF based on the number of months remaining in your contract, or you can say there's no contract but you'll have an "installation balance due" based on the number of months until you reach your 2-yr anniversary.

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To some extent it is just different wording, but I think people would understand the install needs to be paid for (especially if there was a way to self install) more than the ETF which just seems like something a greedy company does.

Having the same packages/prices for satellite and streaming, and better yet the same clients / GUI - and allow use of things like an Apple TV as a client for either delivery method.

They need to rethink how they market things, or they will continue to bleed subscribers as people think of them as yesterday's technology.

NashGuy said:

OK, but isn't that just a difference in semantics? (Not that semantics aren't important in marketing, mind you.) You can say that there's a 2-yr contract with an ETF based on the number of months remaining in your contract, or you can say there's no contract but you'll have an "installation balance due" based on the number of months until you reach your 2-yr anniversary.

And if they were to go that route, that would effectively mean that new customers would pay a *higher than regular* monthly price to begin with. So it wouldn't just be a matter of scrapping the reduced first-year promo pricing to entice new sign-ups, it would actually mean raising the cost the first 24 months above what you'd pay after that. Which might be fair to longtime customers who have long ago paid off their acquisition costs but it's probably not a great way to attract new subs. (But then again, I suspect the game plan going forward will be to use DTV Stream to attract new subs while just trying to hold onto DTV Sat's existing base on either service at a sufficiently profitable ARPU.)

IDK, I guess DTV Sat could be really slimy like lots of cablco's and have a fine-print "installation fee" tacked on to the advertised price, the same way caboco's do with their broadcast TV fee, which is typically in the $15-20 range these days. At least the installation fee wouldn't be permanent, only for the first 24 months. And as you say, it could be optional too if they allowed self-installs, including re-use of existing installations.

All that said, I'll be surprised if they really re-jigger the formula too much for DTV on any front -- pricing, packages, hardware. As I say, I think the plan will be to mainly advertise and build up DTV Stream while DTV continues to melt down (hopefully more slowly) toward a base of sports-loving rural dwellers.

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So for ATT, its rinse and repeat, same thing they been doing for the last 3-4 years, introduce a new format, try to draw as many as possible to it while degrading the D* product, once the New product doesn't get enough people interested, drop it and make another.

comp9 said:

The ATT TV App works alot better then the Directv App

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Isn't the ATT TV App considered a different service ?
If I have D*, I can't just load the ATT TV app and log into my D* account, right ?

Jimbo said:

Isn't the ATT TV App considered a different service ?
If I have D*, I can't just load the ATT TV app and log into my D* account, right ?

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Yup. Different service

slice1900 said:

To some extent it is just different wording, but I think people would understand the install needs to be paid for (especially if there was a way to self install) more than the ETF which just seems like something a greedy company does.

Having the same packages/prices for satellite and streaming, and better yet the same clients / GUI - and allow use of things like an Apple TV as a client for either delivery method.

They need to rethink how they market things, or they will continue to bleed subscribers as people think of them as yesterday's technology.

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This mostly seems like a desire to take the features of the DTV Stream -- its lower everyday pricing, its lack of contracts, its GUI, its app-based client -- and apply them to the older satellite system, which would be problematic and/or require additional investment on DTV's part.

And my question is "Why?" If you're drawn to those features, why wouldn't you just go with DTV Stream? The reality is that people already do think of DBS as "yesterday's technology" (to the extent that consumers care or think about such things). Today's technology is the internet. The way forward for the company is to make the new streaming product as good as possible and draw customers to it. Due to the internet-based nature of the product, it has economic and feature benefits that DBS simply doesn't.

If there are no/low-cost improvements to the satellite service that can help it retain subs or draw in new ones, then great, they should do that. Perhaps shifting to a new everyday pricing model, with a cheaper self-install option, would be a smart move (although I suspect the increased initial pricing would just push more folks to DISH or other options.) But I can't see sinking significant resources into new tech or major advertising for DTV Sat at this point.

I don't think TPG was under any illusions that they could stop the outflow from DTV Sat. They may be able to slow it with improved customer service, pricing changes, etc. but they know what AT&T knows, which is that the user base will continue to shift towards homes without broadband access. This is why TPG insisted that AT&T TV be included in the deal. They wouldn't buy DTV Sat by itself. They understood which service is rooted in the past and which one has a chance to grow in the future.

Jimbo said:

So for ATT, its rinse and repeat, same thing they been doing for the last 3-4 years, introduce a new format, try to draw as many as possible to it while degrading the D* product, once the New product doesn't get enough people interested, drop it and make another.

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You have a point. Although they haven't really been making one new streaming product after another so much as they've just changed the brand names, added features, and adjusted prices and contracts while they continued to *slowly* develop the single underlying streaming platform.

They started off with DirecTV Now back on Nov. 30, 2016. I don't think they ever intended to keep that as the long-term brand. They knew they were starting with something rough -- the service didn't even have a cloud DVR to record anything for its first couple years and the service had all kinds of bugs. They basically took the satellite service's channel packages (minus a few channels here and there) and offered them at way lower, contract-free prices. They had to be losing money on the service but that was OK -- AT&T was essentially offering cable TV below cost to attract beta testers to help them develop and polish their new OTT video streaming platform (which was based on tech they got from their June 2016 acquisition of streaming company Quickplay).

I think DirecTV Now was always intended to be a temporary "throw away" brand; they knew it would inevitably become associated with unsustainably cheap prices and buggy, feature-compromised service. Once the tech was fully developed, that brand would be sunset and they would launch AT&T TV as their new full-featured sustainably-priced flagship cable TV service, the next-gen successor to both DTV and Uverse TV. But it took AT&T a ridiculously long time to get their streaming tech platform ready for primetime. They kept pushing back the launch of AT&T TV. It didn't officially launch nationwide until March 2020, at least two years later than originally anticipated. And even now, over a year later, there are still a few channels and features that DTV has which AT&T TV lacks.

When AT&T TV launched (initially with the same 2-yr required contract as DTV), they renamed DirecTV Now to AT&T TV Now and kept it around as a lower featured, contract-free option. But then they realized, "Hey, people really hate 2-yr contracts!" so they ditched that aspect of AT&T TV and stopped selling AT&T TV Now as a separate thing. Keep in mind through all of this that DirecTV Now/AT&T TV Now and AT&T TV were all being delivered through the same set of apps from the same AT&T servers.

It's been a long and winding road but now we're coming to the do-or-die final iteration of this streaming cable TV service. It's about to be spun off (along with DTV and Uverse TV) to a separate group and renamed DIRECTV Stream. It's looking like there will be some feature improvements happening to the service at the same time. Hopefully it will benefit from the focus of a smaller company dedicated to running it as opposed to getting lost in the shuffle at AT&T. (The same could be said for the satellite service too.)