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polgyver
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Last reply · posted in Free To Air (FTA) Discussion
A few months ago I found interesting article by John Legon, mostly known as a mathematician researching Egyptian Pyramids.
John also is involved in satellite reception and devised some equations for finding parameters of unknown dishes.
I took a screenshot of part of his article.
What is puzzling for me is his statement that the left and right sides of a dish whose top and bottom were "truncated" for
making its shape more "modern" - that these sides enhance the dish's selectivity for receiving adjacent satellites.
I think that the only factor which determines the angle of a cone what the dish "sees" - is its focal length.
If the dish's focal length is relatively long, it will "see" just one bird. If its focal length is short, it will be vulnerable to adjacent satellites.
I am curious what other Members think about it?
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Comptech
I agre with your diagram, but won't work with sat. You left one important factor out. Polarity. The other sats on either side will have opposite polarity and hence interfere with the main one.
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a33
The other sats on either side will have opposite polarity and hence interfere with the main one.

When you mean that the mirrored signal from the same satellite from the other side of the dish has a shifted phase, I can understand what you mean. Otherwise I don't; can you explain further?

I would guess that out of phase or more 'diffused' signal for "off-axis" satellite aiming would be greater for shorter focal length, than for longer focal length (assuming equal dish diameter).
That is because for a flatter dish (longer focal length), the parabolic curve is still rather like the spherical curve, so causing less 'off-axis parabolic aberration'.
That would be a counter-effect to what polgyver described above, I think.

But I have no idea how great these effects would be.

Greetz,
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arlo
When you mean that the mirrored signal from the same satellite from the other side of the dish has a shifted phase, I can understand what you mean. Otherwise I don't; can you explain further?

I would guess that out of phase or more 'diffused' signal for "off-axis" satellite aiming would be greater for shorter focal length, than for longer focal length (assuming equal dish diameter).
That is because for a flatter dish (longer focal length), the parabolic curve is still rather like the spherical curve, so causing less 'off-axis parabolic aberration'.
That would be a counter-effect to what polgyver described above, I think.

But I have no idea how great these effects would be.

Greetz,
A33
All of this rant and not a single mention of scalar theory. There are a gazillion Indian college papers posted on the 'net describing 'their' opinions of the function of them.
Going with the etched-in-stone instructions of how to locate them on a dish with f, fD...bla bla bla crap.
Well I went that route. on a 12 footer with button hook feed. C-Band with a side-car Ku LNBF (no scalar on that one).
At first my signal sucked. In and out, left and right with the C-Band LNBF for what seemed hours over the course of days.

Then I said screw it and started moving the scalar in and out in small increments. And then the LNBF.
The sweet spot for the scalar was significantly closer towards the dish center (in optical terms) than all of the science extrapolated.
I came to terms that my calculated distance made the scalar "over illuminate" the dish.
Yet further away from the sweet spot signal peaking on the LNBF was lower. Days I tell you.
And then Squeeze Box came on the radio. Hah.
It makes me wonder if guys with triangular dish edge support rods to mount the scalar in a fixed position, determined from hard calculations, don't realize that moving the scalar in or out slightly can give several more dB of signal.
I understand optics well. I understand Newtonian telescopes better. And I just happen to love photography and have the fixer stains to prove it. Yup. Homie still does film.
From the above. A parabola is a parabola. Period. Anything less (or more) and you're having to load up the shuttle and head out to Hubble.
I happen to have a "shallow focus" dish. The calculations for f and fD didn't mean squat. It got me in the ballpark.
December 2, 2021. And that's my rant
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a33
The sweet spot for the scalar was significantly closer towards the dish center (in optical terms) than all of the science extrapolated.
I came to terms that my calculated distance made the scalar "over illuminate" the dish.

I would say the parabolic form does not lie. So I'd be (scientifically) interested whether you based your calculated distance on just ONE measurement of the parabolic shape, that is depth at the center of the dish, as many people do; or whether you based it on multiple measurements of the parabolic shape at various points, so (also) on depth measurements further away from the center?

It is quite possible that the central area of the dish has another focal length than the outer area; so that just using the central depth measure is not the best procedure to use.
Just a hypothesis, though. That's my rant. :)

How to test such a hypothesis? Two procedures to calculate focal length from multiple depth measurements at prime focus dishes are here: Calculating focal length of a PrimeFocus dish that has a hole in the middle
When the resulting focal length outcomes have more error than normal measuring error, the cause would likely be parabolic shape error. I guess not something to be happy with....

Greetz,
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polgyver
It is quite possible that the central area of the dish has another focal length than the outer area
For sure, this is the case if the dish is a part of a sphere (like, Arecibo - this info I got from Paul Wade articles). Not sure if there were trials to combine more paraboloids of rotation into one shape, though...
If there is just one paraboloid, it has only one focal spot.
This thread got enriched by more info about other reception problems and possible solutions, but still needs the conclusions about values-parameters needed to calculate Angle of View of a dish, Theta.
From Wikipedia, we need to input coefficient "lambda" (wavelength in cm), multiplied by somewhat arbitrary factor of "70" and all - divided by the dish diameter "d". I did not like that the formula omitted "f", the only factor defining parabola. Maybe it is somewhat contained in this "70" ?
As an alternative, I tried to use another formula :
Theta = arc tg (0.76 lambda / f
The coefficient 0.76 I found somewhere on Internet, it helps determine active focal cloud diameter in front of LNBF.
Both equations give very similar results.
My 4' Ariza dish has horizontal dia = 120 cm, and "f" = 72 cm.
From Wiki formula, it has Theta (Ku) = 1.46*, and for C-band Theta=4.37*
Using arc tg and "f", it is - respectively - 1.5* and 4.5*
A few photos/scans follow :
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a33
For sure, this is the case if the dish is a part of a sphere. (....)
If there is just one paraboloid, it has only one focal spot.
But of course, I was mentioning this for a paraboloid dish that was intended as a paraboloid, but was manufactured badly.
In that case, just one depth measurement is not the way, to get a meaningful idea of where to put the feedhorn...

But, back on topic, as you wish...

Greetz,
A33
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But of course, I was mentioning this for a paraboloid dish that was intended as a paraboloid, but was manufactured badly.
In that case, just one depth measurement is not the way, to get a meaningful idea of where to put the feedhorn...

But, back on topic, as you wish...

Greetz,
A33
99.99% of new people in the sat hobby who come across a dish for the taking may have all of the hardware to reassemble it on site.
Or in the case of the cheap ones tek2000 sells (sold) that have spotty at most and poorly translated instructions.
So where do you run to? Google a quick "how to" to find out.
Agreed?
You run string. You take measurements. You put the thing together. You might head out to the hardware store for hardware and conduit. Smash the ends in a vice and drill holes and bend a few angles.
Stick in your feed and hook it up and go signal searching.
And like me, you find the best signal and strengths and bolt the lnbf down and head inside.
Agreed? I think you will.
Not much is said about heading to the health food store for a bottle of einsteinium-Q10 first.
The calcs are based on a true parabola.
You do state some interesting reading. Above a guy like me for the most part.
All I'm getting at is that a person should experiment and veer from all of the hard calculations, engineer for a little wiggle room, and not assume anything. Especially when it comes to scalar placement. If you use one. In the case of a prime feed antenna. That 'should' be a true parabola.
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polgyver
I think that the only factor which determines the angle of a cone what the dish "sees" - is its focal length.
This was my initial suggestion submitted in my original post. I asked for other Members' opinion, and they stated that the dish's selectivity depends on its diameter: the formula (equation) in Wikipedia for "angle of view" = theta, contains no focal length as a factor. I disagreed, but recently realized that I was only partially right:
The angle of view - indeed - depends ALSO on the dish's diameter, but - not exclusively: it depends on its focal length, too.
For explanation, the reverse process could be used : the LNB could be assumed as a source or radiation so the dish could truly ILLUMINATE the Clarke Belt, as if it were driven by B.U.C.
Using some idealization, first we can imagine that in the focal spot there is ideally small source of radiation, sort of geometrical, dimensionless point. If the paraboloid is also ideally correct, then the radiation reflected from dish would take shape of cylindrical beam, going to infinity, all rays - parallel.
In reality, there is no dimensionless spot - there is certain Focal Cloud, its size depending on used frequency of radiation.
I memorized from Internet article, that "conventional" diameter of focal cloud can be derived as a product of wavelength and certain factor or coefficient = 0.76. For 12 GHz, the wavelength = 25 mm, (1") thus FC diameter = 19 mm or 3/4".
If such a Focal Cloud radiates energy, then - due to its size - reflection from dish will be a cone, not a cylinder, as every point on dish's surface will reflect the energy according to laws of optics, and the radiation rays will spread out.
The farther the dish's reflecting spot from its Focal Cloud - the narrower the radiated cone.
Reversing the settings from radiation (illumination) to reception should also be true.
Thus John Legon was correct : wider parts of truncated dish increase its selectivity.
A sketch of drawing follows:
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Scott Greczkowski
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What is PWA app? PWA utilities seem to be a Spanish app. I hope you are seeing this since nothing seems to be working. I will miss SatelliteGuys. Tapatalk worked well. The Siri browser doesn't seem to work well.
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Hooray!
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What is PWA app? PWA utilities seem to be a Spanish app. I hope you are seeing this since nothing seems to be working. I will miss SatelliteGuys. Tapatalk worked well. The Siri browser doesn't seem to work well.
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What is PWA app? PWA utilities seem to be a Spanish app. I hope you are seeing this since nothing seems to be working. I will miss SatelliteGuys. Tapatalk worked well. The Siri browser doesn't seem to work well.
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New low power station has been granted by the FCC and the new call leter is K33OB-D on RF ch. 33.

Will run at 15 KW ERP, this one runs from the Westside same location as KWPL-LD a HC2 owned station.

It's going to be aimed at eastern part of Albuquerque, so it's tightly focused beam pattern.

This new station is owned by Digital Network and what kind of programmings is unkown at this time.😎
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This new station is owned by Digital Network and what kind of programmings is unkown at this time
probably the same programming they have been putting on their other owned stations.
The 'get after it media' stations
Like Heartland, Retro, rev'n, Action etc
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probably the same programming they have been putting on their other owned stations.
The 'get after it media' stations
Like Heartland, Retro, rev'n, Action etc

We already have those diginets here.
N5XZS
Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets on like the Rev'n, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station. :hatsoff2
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Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets like Revn, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station. :hatsoff2

I watch MovieSphere Gold channel a lot. Many recent movies on that digitnet :)
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Yes that's a good channel MovieSphere, only thing is the missing CC on it. :rolleyes: :hatsoff2
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According to the FCC listing, the tower is near I-40 and Juan Tabo:

BlackHitachi
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Since the Reds have there thread we should too!

Last watched Nine inch Nails
Next 3:10 to Yuma
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osu1991
Rooster Cogburn.

Keep forgetting the free movies on youtube are ad free with my premium subscription.
dfergie
Rooster Cogburn.

Keep forgetting the free movies on youtube are ad free with my premium subscription.
There are some really good movies on youtube.
Saving Private Ryan 4k, Dolby Atmos...
harshness
Saving Private Ryan 4k, Dolby Atmos...
These are severely limited. Getting better than stereo audio is improving, but still has a long way to go.
dfergie
These are severely limited. Getting better than stereo audio is improving, but still has a long way to go.
I went with my 4k disc after checking out that version.
osu1991

View: https://youtu.be/I68627xyDPA?is=gUZB0Yv_08pE0DR3


Tonight revisiting one of my favorites. Ranks up there with Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark and Hunt For Red October.
dfergie
Watching Monterey Pop, been awhile, had the DVD, but probably lost in the fire 10.5 years ago. HBOmax
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I have had good experiences with Brave but lately I am frustrated with it.

Now when I launch the app it shows a box at the bottom asking if I want to go back to the last opened page. It is in conveniently located and I would prefer to eliminate it.

Does anyone know how to do this?

Please let's not sidetrack the discussion into an exploration of why I don't care for it or a lecture about all the wonderful aspects of the feature. I just do not care for it.
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b4pjoe
I don't have an Android phone so I don't know if this will apply to the Brave settings on your android device but it works on the desktop for me.

Change this setting to either startup to a different website or a new tab page. I have mine set to open to google.com instead of where I left off and it doesn't ask me at the next startup if I want to open the last opened page unless it crashed.

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Peter Parker
I don't have an Android phone so I don't know if this will apply to the Brave settings on your android device but it works on the desktop for me.

Change this setting to either startup to a different website or a new tab page. I have mine set to open to google.com instead of where I left off and it doesn't ask me at the next startup if I want to open the last opened page unless it crashed.

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Thank you for trying to help. However thrse choices do not appear in Android. There is a setting for "New Tab Pages" that is similar but does not include your choice. I have tried all of the existing entries with no success
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Hello everyone.

I am new here and I done a search on MLB Extra Innings and DISH and it led me to this forum and so I signed up and hopefully someone can help me out with some issues.

First off, I am a DISH Outdoors customer and I signed up for service back in late October of 2025. I have a Wally HD Receiver and I am using the DISH Playmaker OS 2.1 as my Antenna that operates on 110 and 119 Western Arc and Alternative 61.5, 110, and 119 satellites. I signed up for MLB Extra Innings back in March before the season began. I was excited to be able to watch MLB Extra Innings because I love baseball and I use to have MLB Extra Innings on Satellite DIRECTV back in 2001-2004 and on Satellite DISH back in 2016 and 2017.

I was a bit disappointed when I found out that it is actually MLB.TV Simulcasted to DISH Satellite (More on that later) Anyways I have been watching faithfully almost every night however about a week ago there was a problem. When I went to go to the game to watch a game the game wouldn't come in an I would send a refresh signal to my receiver and then I could watch the programming and when I went to switch games at that games appointed time slot my Wally HD Receiver who lockup where I couldn't change any channels or view the guide and it would reboot. The next night when I turned to a game at game start it still had the background it shows before the game started and again send a refresh signal and went though this same thing over and over. I added a movie channel to my lineup and had issues with showing up my Dish Wally HD Receiver.

With an investigation after several calls with DISH Support it was determined that by going to the diagnostics screen that I had a issue with my Tuner because any changes that I made to my programming these changes would not take affect on the Wally HD Receiver. In other words that Wally HD Receiver was toast!

I too had reported MLB Extra Innings issue to DISH and they created a ticket for it and said that someone would investigate the issue. I too took notice that under MyDISH account under MLB Extra Innings always before it would show that I was subscribed and on auto-renew. Now it shows nothing and even after logging out and deleting my User Name and Password so that I can see it in guest mode it too doesn't even list a price and option for purchase as does the now WNBA League Pass.

After my DISH Receiver was ruined I had to buy a new Wally HD Receiver. I took advantage an bought 2 HD Wally's and added them both to my account. I called back to remove the old box off of the account and was told it was linked to MLB Extra Innings and the advanced technical support team said there was a glitch with MLB Extra Innings and hope to have a resolution in a couple of days and I could call back in to then to remove the box. But both the 2 new Wally HD Receivers are activated on my account. I asked them what the problem was with MLB Extra Innings and how long it would be and I was told there was a glitch as I asked to specify what they meant and got no answer. I again went and checked the MyDISH account page under the MLB Extra Innings page and it still doesn't list me as subscribed and after logging out and deleting my User Name and Password so I could it see it as a guest mode and it still doesn't list the price and option for purchase as it does for the WNBA League Pass.

I am afraid to boot up these boxes and go through the activation screen process because of the issues with the MLB Extra Innings in fear it will do the same or mess up my boxes from being able to receive MLB Extra Inning because or any other programing because I was told that MLB Extra Innings wouldn't come in on those new box because it was activated with the Wally that is ruined and it needs removed first.

Now I have no DISH service going on a week and miss my MLB Extra Innings when the races are just heating up and now with two boxes activated I can't boot up because I am afraid it will mess them up and I will be out the $180.00 or so dollars I made in purchase on the receivers.

Is anyone else experiencing issues with their MLB Extra Innings and does anyone really know what this so called glitch actually is? I can't seem to get a clear answer from anybody and don't even know if it will even be fixed or anyone really understands it.

Now to my previous statement on how I was disappointed that MLB Extra Innings is actually MLB.TV in simulcast. When I had MLB Extra Innings before with DIRECTV in 2001-2004 and with DISH form 2016 and 2017. They would always show the commercials for every teams broadcast from their local market and all games would be authentic just as if you were watching in their home market. After I quit DISH I went to streaming for awhile and I done MLB.TV and I hated their features because of the no commercials, the delayed times of getting back after the commercial break, and not being able to listen to what studios had to say when they would cut into the studios, and always looking at the screen during commercial breaks with a screen that says commercial break in progress and a silhouette background of MLB Players doing baseball things and the their crazy commercial breaks sound. I was excited to go back to DISH thinking I escaped the horrors of MLB.TV. Well its actually the same thing. I compared them side by side and actually MLB.TV is ahead by just a few seconds. So actually MLB Extra Innings on Satellite is delayed from time period wise from actually watching MLB.TV which shows it is simulcasted. My question is when did this start? And is this legal? This isn't what I know MLB Extra Innings to be. I too had signed up for NHL Center Ice this past winter and thank goodness its authentic! They still have the commercials and its like watching it as you were in their home network and its the way it oughta be even if you only do get one feed of NHL Center Ice per team on DISH and don't know which feed it is every night.

Looking forward to your responses. So far happy with DISH but unhappy with this last week and the ruining of a Wally HD Receiver.

I hope I can be of some contribution here as well.

Sincerely,

RJ T.
From Illinois
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zippyfrog
I know they are doing some major satellite work - the second satellite at 110 which is now in use, and they are moving channels between 119 and 110. Maybe since there are no other sports going on, have they temporarily cut back on the out of market sports packages? I am not sure. It looks like those channels are all coming from 119 TP 13, 110 TP 12, and 110 TP 09.

Also, Dish's Scheduled Satellite Maintenance page doesn't have anything going on:

R
I know they are doing some major satellite work - the second satellite at 110 which is now in use, and they are moving channels between 119 and 110. Maybe since there are no other sports going on, have they temporarily cut back on the out of market sports packages? I am not sure. It looks like those channels are all coming from 119 TP 13, 110 TP 12, and 110 TP 09.

Also, Dish's Scheduled Satellite Maintenance page doesn't have anything going on:

Trying to get use to this forum and where everything is located at. I saw you responded from my post on the changes and took me a while to get back to see this post. But yes, it is exactly what I was thinking. I too noticed the change of MLB Extra Innings from 110 to 119. Because of 30 teams they have to algin everything. Only other sport going on PPV wise is WNBA League Pass and I do not have a subscription to that but maybe some else who has it can confirm what they done and what satellite and transponders they are on.

This is a big shift for DISH. I just hope if Charlie Ergen does ever sell out to anyone that I can continue to use my DISH Playmaker and I can keep my Wally's. If its anything like what happened to DIRECTV a few years back which turned out to be a total disaster when AT&T acquired DIRECTV nothing there changed with boxes or anything and you continued to use the same service but I was very surprised to see AT&T sell it to TPG especially after they had just bought it now long ago.

RJ T.
From Illinois
R
Hello everyone.

I am new here and I done a search on MLB Extra Innings and DISH and it led me to this forum and so I signed up and hopefully someone can help me out with some issues.

First off, I am a DISH Outdoors customer and I signed up for service back in late October of 2025. I have a Wally HD Receiver and I am using the DISH Playmaker OS 2.1 as my Antenna that operates on 110 and 119 Western Arc and Alternative 61.5, 110, and 119 satellites. I signed up for MLB Extra Innings back in March before the season began. I was excited to be able to watch MLB Extra Innings because I love baseball and I use to have MLB Extra Innings on Satellite DIRECTV back in 2001-2004 and on Satellite DISH back in 2016 and 2017.

I was a bit disappointed when I found out that it is actually MLB.TV Simulcasted to DISH Satellite (More on that later) Anyways I have been watching faithfully almost every night however about a week ago there was a problem. When I went to go to the game to watch a game the game wouldn't come in an I would send a refresh signal to my receiver and then I could watch the programming and when I went to switch games at that games appointed time slot my Wally HD Receiver who lockup where I couldn't change any channels or view the guide and it would reboot. The next night when I turned to a game at game start it still had the background it shows before the game started and again send a refresh signal and went though this same thing over and over. I added a movie channel to my lineup and had issues with showing up my Dish Wally HD Receiver.

With an investigation after several calls with DISH Support it was determined that by going to the diagnostics screen that I had a issue with my Tuner because any changes that I made to my programming these changes would not take affect on the Wally HD Receiver. In other words that Wally HD Receiver was toast!

I too had reported MLB Extra Innings issue to DISH and they created a ticket for it and said that someone would investigate the issue. I too took notice that under MyDISH account under MLB Extra Innings always before it would show that I was subscribed and on auto-renew. Now it shows nothing and even after logging out and deleting my User Name and Password so that I can see it in guest mode it too doesn't even list a price and option for purchase as does the now WNBA League Pass.

After my DISH Receiver was ruined I had to buy a new Wally HD Receiver. I took advantage an bought 2 HD Wally's and added them both to my account. I called back to remove the old box off of the account and was told it was linked to MLB Extra Innings and the advanced technical support team said there was a glitch with MLB Extra Innings and hope to have a resolution in a couple of days and I could call back in to then to remove the box. But both the 2 new Wally HD Receivers are activated on my account. I asked them what the problem was with MLB Extra Innings and how long it would be and I was told there was a glitch as I asked to specify what they meant and got no answer. I again went and checked the MyDISH account page under the MLB Extra Innings page and it still doesn't list me as subscribed and after logging out and deleting my User Name and Password so I could it see it as a guest mode and it still doesn't list the price and option for purchase as it does for the WNBA League Pass.

I am afraid to boot up these boxes and go through the activation screen process because of the issues with the MLB Extra Innings in fear it will do the same or mess up my boxes from being able to receive MLB Extra Inning because or any other programing because I was told that MLB Extra Innings wouldn't come in on those new box because it was activated with the Wally that is ruined and it needs removed first.

Now I have no DISH service going on a week and miss my MLB Extra Innings when the races are just heating up and now with two boxes activated I can't boot up because I am afraid it will mess them up and I will be out the $180.00 or so dollars I made in purchase on the receivers.

Is anyone else experiencing issues with their MLB Extra Innings and does anyone really know what this so called glitch actually is? I can't seem to get a clear answer from anybody and don't even know if it will even be fixed or anyone really understands it.

Now to my previous statement on how I was disappointed that MLB Extra Innings is actually MLB.TV in simulcast. When I had MLB Extra Innings before with DIRECTV in 2001-2004 and with DISH form 2016 and 2017. They would always show the commercials for every teams broadcast from their local market and all games would be authentic just as if you were watching in their home market. After I quit DISH I went to streaming for awhile and I done MLB.TV and I hated their features because of the no commercials, the delayed times of getting back after the commercial break, and not being able to listen to what studios had to say when they would cut into the studios, and always looking at the screen during commercial breaks with a screen that says commercial break in progress and a silhouette background of MLB Players doing baseball things and the their crazy commercial breaks sound. I was excited to go back to DISH thinking I escaped the horrors of MLB.TV. Well its actually the same thing. I compared them side by side and actually MLB.TV is ahead by just a few seconds. So actually MLB Extra Innings on Satellite is delayed from time period wise from actually watching MLB.TV which shows it is simulcasted. My question is when did this start? And is this legal? This isn't what I know MLB Extra Innings to be. I too had signed up for NHL Center Ice this past winter and thank goodness its authentic! They still have the commercials and its like watching it as you were in their home network and its the way it oughta be even if you only do get one feed of NHL Center Ice per team on DISH and don't know which feed it is every night.

Looking forward to your responses. So far happy with DISH but unhappy with this last week and the ruining of a Wally HD Receiver.

I hope I can be of some contribution here as well.

Sincerely,

RJ T.
From Illinois
Update on MLB Extra Innings as of 5:50 P.M. CDT June 10, 2026...

I am getting tired of not being able to watch any baseball games and having paid for MLB Extra Innings and not knowing what the reason is I called dish back at 1-800-333-3474. I guess after all of my calls my call was routed to the Advanced Technical Support Team. I had something happen that I never knew they could do and they gained access into my Wally Receiver. I was told settings look good and right now on the only channel that shows is the MLB1 Baltimore Orioles Channel. They are playing the at home against the Seattle Mariners right now. She was able to access to that channel which prompted a purchase a Rent option. That signaled a red flag to her right away. She escalated a ticket with photographs and info from my screen to the top tier advanced programing technical department and told me they received the ticket and are reviewing it now. They got back to her and said they would have information within 30 minutes. I either get the channels within 30 minutes or I am to call back and they will advance from there. Seems like maybe my persistence is paying off. I will keep you informed. Maybe we can all have a resolution to this shortly.

RJ T.
From Illinois
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Update on MLB Extra Innings as of 5:50 P.M. CDT June 10, 2026...

I am getting tired of not being able to watch any baseball games and having paid for MLB Extra Innings and not knowing what the reason is I called dish back at 1-800-333-3474. I guess after all of my calls my call was routed to the Advanced Technical Support Team. I had something happen that I never knew they could do and they gained access into my Wally Receiver. I was told settings look good and right now on the only channel that shows is the MLB1 Baltimore Orioles Channel. They are playing the at home against the Seattle Mariners right now. She was able to access to that channel which prompted a purchase a Rent option. That signaled a red flag to her right away. She escalated a ticket with photographs and info from my screen to the top tier advanced programing technical department and told me they received the ticket and are reviewing it now. They got back to her and said they would have information within 30 minutes. I either get the channels within 30 minutes or I am to call back and they will advance from there. Seems like maybe my persistence is paying off. I will keep you informed. Maybe we can all have a resolution to this shortly.
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Update on MLB Extra Innings as of 5:50 P.M. CDT June 10, 2026...

I am getting tired of not being able to watch any baseball games and having paid for MLB Extra Innings and not knowing what the reason is I called dish back at 1-800-333-3474. I guess after all of my calls my call was routed to the Advanced Technical Support Team. I had something happen that I never knew they could do and they gained access into my Wally Receiver. I was told settings look good and right now on the only channel that shows is the MLB1 Baltimore Orioles Channel. They are playing the at home against the Seattle Mariners right now. She was able to access to that channel which prompted a purchase a Rent option. That signaled a red flag to her right away. She escalated a ticket with photographs and info from my screen to the top tier advanced programing technical department and told me they received the ticket and are reviewing it now. They got back to her and said they would have information within 30 minutes. I either get the channels within 30 minutes or I am to call back and they will advance from there. Seems like maybe my persistence is paying off. I will keep you informed. Maybe we can all have a resolution to this shortly.

RJ T.
From Illinois
Update as of 6:40 P.M. CDT June 10, 2026...

Noting went through on my screen. However take a look at this


They have the page back up but it shows I need to purchase. On phone on hold waiting to connect to get this thing activated.

Will post shortly with update.

RJ T.
From Illinois
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Update as of 6:40 P.M. CDT June 10, 2026...

Noting went through on my screen. However take a look at this


They have the page back up but it shows I need to purchase. On phone on hold waiting to connect to get this thing activated.

Will post shortly with update.

RJ T.
From Ill

Update as of 6:40 P.M. CDT June 10, 2026...

Noting went through on my screen. However take a look at this


They have the page back up but it shows I need to purchase. On phone on hold waiting to connect to get this thing activated.

Will post shortly with update.

RJ T.
From Illinois
Final Update... As of 8:08 P.M. CDT June 10, 2026.

I now have MLB Extra Innings back! Look at the photo! (I did not include full image of the game due to copyright)

Let me just say it was rough! Very rough! And lets just say Charlie Ergen should be ashamed of his customer service team and how they handled this whole issue.

After multiple calls after my last post only to get the run around with answers like there are no refunds on MLB Extra Innings once the season starts, to they are working on it, to accessing my screen and sending multi hits to the box.

All I asked was one simple question remove the MLB Extra Innings which they confirmed I had and reauthorize free of charge. I was given a 1,000 reasons why this couldn't be done.

Well..........

I paid for it myself.... $120.00 current rate and it works!

I called back in to let them know what I done and what I thought of the customer service and told them I needed refunded. I was told they didn't do refunds....

Well again I called back and got someone who refunded the original payment of $150.00 back to my account. A $30 discount for all the hard trouble I went though.

It is now up to you all out there that have MLB Extra Innings to try to get them to do this but I am afraid you are going to have to take your own action and purchase again and beg for a refund or be out the $150.00 originally paid.

Persistence pays off. I don't give up very easily.

You can all go here below to make the purchase if you have any trouble.


I hope it all works well for you! And best of luck to everyone who has it!

I will still be around on this forum. You all sound like a fine group of people! I hope I can contribute more.

Take care!

RJ T.
From Illinois
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I was bewildered with all the new DISH TV "Bonus View" channels, so I put together a web page table with all the info I could find. It's at:

https://anythingpeaceful.org/dishtv/DISH_TV_Bonus_View_Channels.html

Here's a partial screenshot of the table, as sorted by Channel Name. (You can click on a column header to sort.)

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If you have any corrections or suggestions, please post here.
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Easy come, easy go- can't count on anything.
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2 Bonus View channels removed today:

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My full list is at: DISH TV "Bonus View" Channels

Thanks to Pat for the tip.
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One added, one removed. But I think it's really only a name change, with similar (or identical?) programming.

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My full list is at: DISH TV "Bonus View" Channels

Thanks to Pat for the alert.
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One added, one removed. But I think it's really only a name change, with similar (or identical?) programming.

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My full list is at: DISH TV "Bonus View" Channels

Thanks to Pat for the alert.
A dandilion by any other name.
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