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Post any unpopular opinions that you have that aren't political or religious...

I liked the Star Wars prequels and sequels, the fourth Indiana Jones, the Green Lantern movie, 3D TVs (including active 3D TVs and prefer them to passive actually even on 4K sets), and I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot but will post back in this thread if I remember. You guys can post as many times as you want in this thread too.
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Gates? Yes. All the way. He brought the IBM platform into the reach of the everyday guy who wanted to build and have a computer that didn't cost a horse full of feathers. It was and still is a lucrative business for the pc parts guy selling components to make a killer pc. I have no complaints of the MS operating systems. No matter what all of the "Oh but Linux is so much better" soap box standers say. I don't wanna learn how to grow trees, run a sawmill, forge nails, float glass.....all of that crap just to live in a house.
Jobs on the other hand. Or "Ob-lay-ob-jay" in his Star Wars character would have been portrayed as.
Built in proprietary hardware to meld with his OS. Hell. On a Saturday evening if your graphics card went south. You couldn't run down to CompUSA of Patel's House of PC's to buy a new one. It had to be "i" this or "i" that.
Or to coin Retina as a particular technology. And some "air" crap just to get on the Internet.
And now. Soldered-in storage? Come on, man. As that guy you voted for is known for saying. Non political, of course. But. God Damn! A phrase, nothing religious, of course.
Hackintosh has a good following."Hackinsoft" doesn't have to nor needs to exist. Although in ways I guess it kinda' does.
Mr. Blinkey flashes your screen a few times. And magically "your stuff" goes or comes from "some place" in the box. "i" don't want it, "i" don't need it. Same for you, John Deere.
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arlo said:
Gates? Yes. All the way. He brought the IBM platform into the reach of the everyday guy who wanted to build and have a computer that didn't cost a horse full of feathers.
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I'm going to guess that you weren't much involved in the computer world in the early days of the IBM PC because what you're saying doesn't make a lot of sense in that context. Back in the early 1980s, IBM PCs were stupid expensive and the user experience was vastly inferior to those presented by the Kaypro, Sol, Eagle, Apple ][, Commodore 64 and Atari computers of the day. What Bill Gates produced (with perhaps a majority effort from Paul Allen) was a version of the BASIC programming language (that was also present in one form or another in all of the 8 bit computers of the day). PC/MS-DOS was a re-tooling of Seattle Computing's Seattle DOS that Gates had strong-armed. If you're looking for someone to thank for affordable alternatives, you would be better served by calling out Compaq and Columbia Data Products.
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It was and still is a lucrative business for the pc parts guy selling components to make a killer pc.
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Computers aren't about peddlers or service technicians making a buck. Computers are supposed to make things better for those who use them.
arlo said:
I have no complaints of the MS operating systems. No matter what all of the "Oh but Linux is so much better" soap box standers say. I don't wanna learn how to grow trees, run a sawmill, forge nails, float glass.....all of that crap just to live in a house.
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It seems you're also lost at sea in terms of your knowledge of the current state of non-Microsoft platforms.
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harshness said:
I'm going to guess that you weren't much involved in the computer world in the early days of the IBM PC because what you're saying doesn't make a lot of sense in that context. Back in the early 1980s, IBM PCs were stupid expensive and the user experience was vastly inferior to those presented by the Kaypro, Sol, Eagle, Apple ][, Commodore 64 and Atari computers of the day. What Bill Gates produced (with perhaps a majority effort from Paul Allen) was a version of the BASIC programming language (that was also present in one form or another in all of the 8 bit computers of the day). PC/MS-DOS was a re-tooling of Seattle Computing's Seattle DOS that Gates had strong-armed. If you're looking for someone to thank for affordable alternatives, you would be better served by calling out Compaq and Columbia Data Products.
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Hooyeah I was. In the 70's when my dad was in the USAF and we were stationed in Athens. I took a BASIC programming class. Typing programs on a Teletype 33 ASR on paper tape. Then the teacher would proof the program before we were allowed to connect to the time share to run them. The next class would have been FORTRAN. I never got to see the mainframe. But it was cool to learn.
Later on back in the States mom got a little TRS80. I can dig it out if you please. Lot's of time on that.
The Commodore 64 sits in the attic. So does the floppy drive. So does the Okidata impact printer. And piles of Compute magazine and such.
Typing in line after line of numeric code to make a game didn't teach squat. Peek and poke and crap like that.
So. That should loosen up your brain cage a touch.
IBM PC's of the day WERE stupid expensive. And with the tech advances of the day, your brand spankin' new 486 was soon made a snail by the Pentium Processor splashed all over the TV. And so on and so on.
Let's leave that open discussion for now. I thank nobody at all.
But. You aint livin' until you sat by a VMS system eating your lunch while it booted up....if it did the first try.
Or performed a weekend of software updates with tape cartridges with your fingers crosssed hoping to not see "Invalid Checksum. Please reload updates".
harshness said:
Computers aren't about peddlers or service technicians making a buck. Computers are supposed to make things better for those who use them.

It seems you're also lost at sea in terms of your knowledge of the current state of non-Microsoft platforms.
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ZOOOM (right over harsh-style's cranial cavity).
Computers DID become a lot about being affordable and the ability to assemble one and load an OS somewhat of your choice. With Bill G's incantation being the winner usually.
For TONS less than the comparable CompUSA IBM PC or Dell of the day. Packard Bell, Compaq. Take your pick.
If you think cars are all about the driving experience. And the smile (or of late...frown) per mile. Well, you're vastly missing something. The dealer is counting on you coming back for service. If Jimmy's Garage can do an oil change for 30-50% of what the dealer charges. Hey. It's your cash.
Do I care about the state of any platform computer related? Nah. Not really.
Remember. I ain't the dude who planted the seedling to grow trees for lumber nor did I mine ore to make nails.

Ink ink ink. People buy ink. Then they buy ink to replace the ink that dried up. And when that don't work.
They buy another printer that uses.....you guessed it. Ink.
Tons better than the old Okidata impact line printer.

So there is one...just one for good 'ole Steve when he introduced Laser Xeorgraphy to the masses.....of Apple users. Before the days if "i-everything".

Am I up on tech? Maybe. Rumors.
I hear a new model of the iPad may be coming out. More compact. With an easily tucked away, comfortable case. And a high capacity battery and more storage. For those "busy days".
Introducing the iPax.
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That should loosen up your brain cage a touch.
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It would have had it not appeared that you have completely forgotten what those other platforms were like in comparison the early IBM PCs. Early IBM PCs were more like glorified CP/M machines of the day without the library of software.
arlo said:
IBM PC's of the day WERE stupid expensive. And with the tech advances of the day, your brand spankin' new 486 was soon made a snail by the Pentium Processor splashed all over the TV. And so on and so on.
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An this is a happy thing?
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But. You aint livin' until you sat by a VMS system eating your lunch while it booted up....if it did the first try.
Or performed a weekend of software updates with tape cartridges with your fingers crosssed hoping to not see "Invalid Checksum. Please reload updates".
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I've loaded PDP/8 BASIC in using switch registers and paper tape so I do know all about that. My first business-class hard drives were 5MB CDC Hawks (both fixed and cartridge) connected to a machine based on a two-board CPU in an S100 frame (Alpha Micro AM-100).
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ZOOOM (right over harsh-style's cranial cavity).
Computers DID become a lot about being affordable and the ability to assemble one and load an OS somewhat of your choice. With Bill G's incantation being the winner usually.
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Your choices on the early IBM PCs were PC-DOS and MS-DOS. Not really a choice. At issue is why Microsoft's products prevailed (and it rarely had anything to do with goodness or suitability to the task).
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For TONS less than the comparable CompUSA IBM PC or Dell of the day. Packard Bell, Compaq. Take your pick.
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This is where the value crept in. Of course many of these machines were a little "wonky" and may not run 1-2-3 or Flight Simulator as well as a true blue IBM PC. While you had to go to a computer store to even see a PC compatible, you could buy a Commodore or Atari 8-bit at Sears or Monkey Wards. Computers need to be both affordable and available to be of real benefit to the masses.
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If you think cars are all about the driving experience. And the smile (or of late...frown) per mile. Well, you're vastly missing something. The dealer is counting on you coming back for service. If Jimmy's Garage can do an oil change for 30-50% of what the dealer charges. Hey. It's your cash.
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Again, why is financially supporting a technician important to the typical user? I suspect you have conflicting interests.
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Do I care about the state of any platform computer related? Nah. Not really.
Remember. I ain't the dude who planted the seedling to grow trees for lumber nor did I mine ore to make nails.
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But you may be the guy who is making bank off of fixing computers.
arlo said:
Ink ink ink. People buy ink. Then they buy ink to replace the ink that dried up. And when that don't work.
They buy another printer that uses.....you guessed it. Ink.
Tons better than the old Okidata impact line printer.
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Okidata printer ribbon cartridges were cheap and the could last more than a year (more if you were into re-inking). Ink and toner cartridges are relatively expensive and they have more or less a fixed life.
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So there is one...just one for good 'ole Steve when he introduced Laser Xeorgraphy to the masses.....of Apple users. Before the days if "i-everything".
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The Apple LaserWriter was more or less a rebranding the HP LaserJet of the day (using a CANON LASER engine) with an ADB port. Yes, the logo cost alot but Jobs certainly didn't invent the LASER printer. As much as the Macintosh appeared unique, it wasn't a huge improvement over Xerox's Alto, GEOS or GEM operating systems of the day.

In all of this bluster, you still haven't answered the question: why do you think that Gates or Jobs were instrumental in advancing technology as fast as it could have gone and bringing computing to the masses. It seems to me that you've carefully avoided the issue that you raised.
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DOS ain't done until Lotus won't run!
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It would have had it not appeared that you have completely forgotten what those other platforms were like in comparison the early IBM PCs. Early IBM PCs were more like glorified CP/M machines of the day without the library of software.

An this is a happy thing?

I've loaded PDP/8 BASIC in using switch registers and paper tape so I do know all about that. My first business-class hard drives were 5MB CDC Hawks (both fixed and cartridge) connected to a machine based on a two-board CPU in an S100 frame (Alpha Micro AM-100).

Your choices on the early IBM PCs were PC-DOS and MS-DOS. Not really a choice. At issue is why Microsoft's products prevailed (and it rarely had anything to do with goodness or suitability to the task).

This is where the value crept in. Of course many of these machines were a little "wonky" and may not run 1-2-3 or Flight Simulator as well as a true blue IBM PC. While you had to go to a computer store to even see a PC compatible, you could buy a Commodore or Atari 8-bit at Sears or Monkey Wards. Computers need to be both affordable and available to be of real benefit to the masses.

Again, why is financially supporting a technician important to the typical user? I suspect you have conflicting interests.

But you may be the guy who is making bank off of fixing computers.

Okidata printer ribbon cartridges were cheap and the could last more than a year (more if you were into re-inking). Ink and toner cartridges are relatively expensive and they have more or less a fixed life.

The Apple LaserWriter was more or less a rebranding the HP LaserJet of the day (using a CANON LASER engine) with an ADB port. Yes, the logo cost alot but Jobs certainly didn't invent the LASER printer. As much as the Macintosh appeared unique, it wasn't a huge improvement over Xerox's Alto, GEOS or GEM operating systems of the day.

In all of this bluster, you still haven't answered the question: why do you think that Gates or Jobs were instrumental in advancing technology as fast as it could have gone and bringing computing to the masses. It seems to me that you've carefully avoided the issue that you raised.
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I got some time. Backards/Forards......
Up until Billy and Esteban introduced a GUI based OS easily understood by anybody. That actually made sense. Didn't require prior months of education to operate. And actually did something. Did not only home computing, but also business computing really come alive. Production and efficiency went logarithmic. Over night. With each and every introduction of newer technology.
Ditching what subjects? You wanna' book? I'll show you how to write an Excel formula. You show me the spreadsheet you created. That I've done.

Until Apple introduced their laser printer. Desktop publishing was largely typewriters.
Yeah. Sure. Commodore 64's and GEOS were a leap forward in a big way. But you were still bound to pin fed, perf page forms that you had to wait for hearing 'myiip myiip myiip' over and over as the impact head hammered out dots of maybe....maybe a few "fonts".
Actually HP started out using a Brother printing engine. Later on adapting to Canon technology. That's a fact, Jack.
In my opinion the HP5si was the ultimate workhorse of the laser printer force. I've see rows of them operating day after day with 500k to over 1.5 million pages. Most with periodic roller replacements and paper feed units and fusers that could be swapped out quickly. And continue to run...with the exact same laser and spinning mirror engine they were born with. For oh....fitty, a hunderd bucks.
Yeah. The days of impact printers. A can-o-wd40 to refresh ribbons. Ripping off edges and decollating pages.
They made machines for that, dontcha' know!

For the tech. You're partially and mostly wrong. Toner in a laser lasts an incredibly long time. Provided you don't live in the tropics. Flip on a laser that's sat for 6 months. The toner is stirred. The drum is charged. The fuser heats. Hit print. A page comes out. Duplexed and dry. No streaks. And I've used millions and millions of pages of reman toner cartridges in the past with very, very few defects. For a fraction of the cost of OEM.

And spanked the ass of Xerox and their 145 page/minute, on site tech, down and apart every few days lasers. Mandatory maintenance and proprietary consumables.
With rows of HP lasers printing 50 pages/minute each.
All running reman carts.
When 1 Xerox goes down. You get 0 output until fixed.
Do the math. IF one HP of 10 went down....you got 9 still churning.
Xerox hated me. Management? I "invented" the idea and with the help of the DP dept.guru.
Before long. 2 other branches were doing what used to come out of Jacksonville and trucked half the way across the state.

3 bases covered......

"Making Bank". Haha. Capn' Hood-Rat at work here, me thinks. I got a little 100 grit and a red Scotchbrite to flatten the edges. We'll transform ya' to "Smoothenss". People will be callin' ya Steve McQueen before long.
Maybe the Gorillaz will publish a vid like they did for Clint!
Now that ain't neither political nor religious. That, I will bank on.
Well. Heallyeah! Without me my former industry would have been crippled. I kept it ALL running. My expertise...electronics and automation. But in actuality it was lightning rods to sewer pipes. And everything in-between. I must have done well. How many could keep a job after the CEO walks past admiring a well oiled production "machine". Asking me.....oops....respect...in your hood at least..."Axing".....me.
"So, hows everything working.....is all of the equipment up to par?"
"Hey. I'm your Ex-Lax"
.....to a brief pause of confusion from the big boss.
"I keep your sh*t runnin' ".
And I got to come back to work for years and years and years.
Yeah. I made some bucks.

Backwards more. Financially supporting? I dunno. BMW wanting 15g's to replace a computer and wiring harness for a friend due to water intrusion. Me. A few hours de-pinning and checking connectors. Remove a bit of green corrosion. An 8 buck Omron relay from DigiKey. The car runs perfect. Why? Because like a dog who licks himself. Because I could.
Support your tech.

Amiga. Now that was genius. Years and years after the C64, 2E, 286's were shelved. Them there Amiger doods still were out there rockin'.
MS stuff "prevailing". Apple stuff prevailing. The GUI. Not having to load floppies, tapes, Zip discs. Or in your world. Stabilizing the geology surrounding you while a stack of platters came up to gyroscopic speed for a whopping 5 megs (or 10 megs if you were super rich) of storage.
Flip a switch and wait....and sometimes wait. For a desktop to appear. And pick up where you left off on.

Lastly. And I mean that. Unless you wish to continue floating way out beyond the buoy's with pinholes in your floaties while your older brother has his back turned away from the beach making sand castles....with an evil smirk.Waiting on the inevitable bloop-bloop-bloop.

I absolutely thought Women of Color was a brilliant film that documented what was once an uncharted and sort of...forbidden area of technology reserved only for brainiacs. I've been there.
"Stay away, you don't know what you're doing".
"You can look, but don't ever touch".
Well. Looking. And touching. Sometimes behind other's backs. It can teach a lot. Especially when the people who built the darned contraption start asking you....."How did you do it?".
So feel very confident that I don't know a snippet of machine level programming. It spins my head.
Registers, stacks, Boolean logic. You can have that crap. And the soap box that goes with it when touting your skills.
I think my heyday was in school when I was doing poorly in Algebra. A blackboard of formulas and equations and squiggles and crap. I wanted to learn. I guess I just suck at math.
The instructor kept me after school. He volunteered and asked me to stay. It was HIS mission.
He took numbers and all of the crap and turned it into literal Apples, Oranges, Horses, and Ducks.
Gave me real life scenarios to relate to. Not chalk on a board or ink on paper.
It was a revelation that changed me a great deal. Opened up a capability to tear down complicated "stuff" and granulate it.
Haha. I didn't pass with A's. But I did pass his class. And NEVER took algebra again.

Hey. Them floaties are are gettin' a might flabby there, buddy. Better start paddlin' towards shore, young man.
The sun's going down. And the sharks are hungry.

You know what? You're a cool dude. I do respect you a lot.
I wouldn't vote for ya'. That would be political. Nor put a quarter in the passing hat. That would be religious.
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But do you have the Wombat refrigerator magnet for Datatrieve? ;)
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3 bases covered......
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Yet in all that bloviation, you haven't effectively defended your claim.

Imagine what the world might be like if the Amiga or the Be computers had the leverage of Microsoft behind them.
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Purchasing New iPhone

I feel like this was discussed in another thread, but I can't find it. I have T-Mobile and my last iPhone upgrade was in 2020. I want to get a new iPhone, but what is the best way to go about doing it? Should I order the iPhone from T-Mobile directly, or should I buy from the Apple Store? I feel like there are pros/cons to each option.
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I know of no reason to buy from a cell company.

Buying from Apple gets an unlocked phone.

PS- New models come out in Octoberish.
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I got a carrier-locked iPhone once, and it was a pain after they got bought by Sprint and I decided to go to T-Mobile and they dragged their feet to unlock the phone. I have been trading in my iPhones since and buying from the Apple Store since then.
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Three Tuners?

I have a Hopper with Sling. (Don't know exact model.) A couple nights ago, I went into the DVR screen, and noted that it was recording three programs. Yet I was able to view live TV (that was not one of the channels being recorded.) Did something change? In the past, it would only let me watch one of the channels being recorded, or any recording in the DVR menu. Maybe it was streaming, although there was no indication of that?

Apologies if this has been covered; I searched and didn't find anything.

Thanks.
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So I tested.

Started recording three non-network shows and tried to watch live TV, would not do it, because all three tuners were in use.

Started recording two non-network shows and one network show. Still would not let me tune live TV.

Started recording one non-network show and two network shows, then it allowed live TV.

I would assume then that previously I was recording two or three network shows when it allowed live TV; I honestly don't remember what it was doing, and I didn't think to check.

Thanks for replies, everyone.

PS - How does one know whether a program is streaming? Is there a way to force streaming?
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So I tested.

Started recording three non-network shows and tried to watch live TV, would not do it, because all three tuners were in use.

Started recording two non-network shows and one network show. Still would not let me tune live TV.

Started recording one non-network show and two network shows, then it allowed live TV.

I would assume then that previously I was recording two or three network shows when it allowed live TV; I honestly don't remember what it was doing, and I didn't think to check.

Thanks for replies, everyone.

PS - How does one know whether a program is streaming? Is there a way to force streaming?
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There is no way to force streaming. It is a satellite channel or streaming channel except for the rare occasion that the satellite signal fails. If that happens some, not all, channels will automatically change to streaming. You can tell if the channel is streaming by pressing guide on the remote. if it is a streaming channel the guide will clearly show it that way.
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Cough, cough, Hopper3!
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There is no way to force streaming. It is a satellite channel or streaming channel except for the rare occasion that the satellite signal fails. If that happens some, not all, channels will automatically change to streaming. You can tell if the channel is streaming by pressing guide on the remote. if it is a streaming channel the guide will clearly show it that way.
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Thanks, Bobby.
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chokes hopper 3 all the way... 16 tuners vs 3 tuners is a night and day difference. along with a faster processor. i would call in and see if they would upgrade me or you can buy a hopper 3 from solid signal.
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WANTED  DirecTV LCC

Anyone have a DirecTV Local Channel Connector that you'd like to get rid of at a reasonable price? DirecTV is currently in a contract dispute with owner of my local ABC affiliate.
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Smuuth said:
Anyone have a DirecTV Local Channel Connector that you'd like to get rid of at a reasonable price? DirecTV is currently in a contract dispute with owner of my local ABC affiliate.
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You should ask DIRECTV for one if you are affected by the dispute. I know in the past they have given them out during a dispute. Not sure if they still do that but it is free to ask.
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You should ask DIRECTV for one if you are affected by the dispute. I know in the past they have given them out during a dispute. Not sure if they still do that but it is free to ask.
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I already asked, but the CS agent said they wouldn't do it. They said the only thing they could do is $10/month bill credit.
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Smuuth said:
I already asked, but the CS agent said they wouldn't do it. They said the only thing they could do is $10/month bill credit.
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Take the $10 and Call Back ...
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Take the $10 and Call Back ...
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I did that. The response was that the LCC is not available. Escalated the issue to a tech support person with the same results. 🤬
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I did that. The response was that the LCC is not available. Escalated the issue to a tech support person with the same results. 🤬
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Could be out of them I guess ... I'd keep trying, every 3-4 days.

If they are not out of them as them WHY you can't get one, seeing Your in a Dispute. Thats what they are for.
I would make them give you a real answer, don't let them off the hook.


I had one, and it worked well, but I believe I gave it to another D* friend (also had a AM21), I know I gave them away ...
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Could be out of them I guess ... I'd keep trying, every 3-4 days.

If they are not out of them as them WHY you can't get one, seeing Your in a Dispute. Thats what they are for.
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According to the tech support guy, they don't have any in stock. He said I should receive an email when and if they have them. I even told him I would accept a refurbished unit. 🙄
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Smuuth said:
According to the tech support guy, they don't have any in stock. He said I should receive an email when and if they have them. I even told him I would accept a refurbished unit. 🙄
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I'm not sure your going to find any Refurbished ones as D* doesn't ask for them back.
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I'm not sure your going to find any Refurbished ones as D* doesn't ask for them back.
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Yeah, I know. At one point, I even had 3 AM21s but gave them away when I got rid of my last HR54 and switched to the HS17.
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Good luck they haven't made them in years. you could poke around on ebay and see if there's any on there. if not why not a tablo or a zapper box with an antenna connected to it
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Good luck they haven't made them in years. you could poke around on ebay and see if there's any on there. if not why not a tablo or a zapper box with an antenna connected to it
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I have my OTA antenna connected to my television directly already so watching is not the issue. The reason I want the LCC is so I could record programs if I'm not at home to watch them live, especially since ABC is carrying both the NBA and NHL playoffs.
I have an active search on eBay and there is one there but he wants $180 plus shipping and I am not going to pay that.
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Smuuth said:
I have my OTA antenna connected to my television directly already so watching is not the issue. The reason I want the LCC is so I could record programs if I'm not at home to watch them live, especially since ABC is carrying both the NBA and NHL playoffs.
I have an active search on eBay and there is one there but he wants $180 plus shipping and I am not going to pay that.
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a tablo box is cheaper
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Price Increase on Owned Equipment?

Did anyone have a price increase today on their equipment? I own my VIP211k's, and they have been $5.00. My bill that I received last week shows the "add-ons" as being $5.00. However, I just logged into my Dish account, and my "add-ons" are now $10.00. Did the additional receivers go up by $5.00 recently?

As I mentioned, my last bill shows $5.00 and under the notes, nothing is mentioned about a price increase.
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The cable company I was with years ago did charge $9.99 for a receiver.

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Did anyone have a price increase today on their equipment? I own my VIP211k's, and they have been $5.00. My bill that I received last week shows the "add-ons" as being $5.00. However, I just logged into my Dish account, and my "add-ons" are now $10.00. Did the additional receivers go up by $5.00 recently?

As I mentioned, my last bill shows $5.00 and under the notes, nothing is mentioned about a price increase.
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I went to try to add the Heartland channel as dummy to see what it would do for me as I own my receiver and have DISH Outdoors and this is what mine shows. (Note however I had to take the 2nd receiver I told you I added the other day off because I was told you can only have 1 receiver when you have a one outlet on the Dish Playmaker and was having issues with the 2nd receiver and I didn't know that and that was done yesterday as well so I am back to one receiver.)

Let's upgrade your package.

Your monthly bill will increase by $6.00 per month.

Breakdown

June 11, 2026 - July 11, 2026
You are changing your programming in the middle of the bill cycle. The bill shown below is your bill for next month including prorations and credits. Your following bill will return to the fixed rate. This bill will take effect from now until July 11, 2026.
Monthly Services
$86.99
Flex Pack
$72.99
Local Channels
$14.00
Add-Ons
$68.98
National Action Pack
$12.00
Regional Action Pack
$12.00
News Pack
$10.00
Paramount+ with Showtime
$10.00
Drama and Classics Pack
$6.00
Heartland Pack
$6.00
Starz Encore Movies
$6.00
On DISH Magazine
$4.99
Starz 2 Mo ($11)
$1.99
Prorated Charges
$7.93
Heartland Pack Jun 11 - Jul 20
$7.93
Order Total
$7.93
Prorated Total
$7.93
Due Today
$7.93

Transition Bill Total
$156.10
Proposed Changes
Your monthly bill will increase by $6.00 per month
Monthly Services
$86.99
Add-Ons
$68.98
FCC Regulatory Surcharge
$0.13
Taxes & Surcharges
$0.00

Monthly Total
$156.10
Prorated Total
$7.93
Order Total
$7.93

Due Today
$7.93
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Sounds like an issue with DISH Billing

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I asked again, and the rep I talked to said it is a glitch and that "Access for TV" shouldn't be there - the rep pulled up my future month bills and that charge isn't on it. So I am not going to worry about it right now, but it will be interesting to see when the price changes happen later this year. Will this line item show up? The fact that it is a specific item that is different from anything makes me think it is more than a glitch. But we shall see.
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I asked again, and the rep I talked to said it is a glitch and that "Access for TV" shouldn't be there - the rep pulled up my future month bills and that charge isn't on it. So I am not going to worry about it right now, but it will be interesting to see when the price changes happen later this year. Will this line item show up? The fact that it is a specific item that is different from anything makes me think it is more than a glitch. But we shall see.
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I am hoping they don't add this down the road. Things are expensive the way it is now. Even DIRECTV allows the first receiver free. This would go against DISH and DISH is already loosing subscribers I wouldn't think they would do these kind of tricks but you never know. Always look at your bills for unknow charges. I heard horror stories of people getting charged for things they didn't know were there.

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yes big cable charges crazy dvr fee's and box rental fee's
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Problem when I switch from Bonus View channels back to regular Dish channels

Hello everyone, new guy here. I'm trying to solve problem I'm having with Dish bonus view channels. When I'm watching the bonus view channels then I switch back to regular dish channels, after few minutes the screen flips to black and after 30 seconds flips back to regular channels and continues to flip back and forth until I turn off TV. After I wait 30 minutes and turn back on , I can use regular channels again. So, its after I switch from bonus view channels to regular dish channels the problem starts. Been trying to fix this for a month, but no luck
Here what I've done.
i contacted Dish support and they sent me a new Joey3, but no help. Switched to a different HDMI input on TV, no help. Used different HDMI cable , no help. Used different electrical wall plug, no help.
Finally got a Dish tech to check it. He ran all systems check and was OK. Finally he brought in a small TV and plugged in the HDMI out from the Joey to the small TV. He could not get the problem to occur on his small TV, so the new Joey was working OK. So, then the problem must be myTV. He made some phone calls and came back with the answer that there must be a problem with the analog to digital switch in my TV. Has anyone ever heard of a problem like this, or is it time to be looking for a new TV? My tv LG OLED65C8PUA. TV has been trouble free til now. Thanks
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teachtom said:
Hello everyone, new guy here. I'm trying to solve problem I'm having with Dish bonus view channels. When I'm watching the bonus view channels then I switch back to regular dish channels, after few minutes the screen flips to black and after 30 seconds flips back to regular channels and continues to flip back and forth until I turn off TV. After I wait 30 minutes and turn back on , I can use regular channels again. So, its after I switch from bonus view channels to regular dish channels the problem starts. Been trying to fix this for a month, but no luck
Here what I've done.
i contacted Dish support and they sent me a new Joey3, but no help. Switched to a different HDMI input on TV, no help. Used different HDMI cable , no help. Used different electrical wall plug, no help.
Finally got a Dish tech to check it. He ran all systems check and was OK. Finally he brought in a small TV and plugged in the HDMI out from the Joey to the small TV. He could not get the problem to occur on his small TV, so the new Joey was working OK. So, then the problem must be myTV. He made some phone calls and came back with the answer that there must be a problem with the analog to digital switch in my TV. Has anyone ever heard of a problem like this, or is it time to be looking for a new TV? My tv LG OLED65C8PUA. TV has been trouble free til now. Thanks
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First off, great TV. I'm torn between the 77C5 or the 77G5.
It sounds like the handshake between the Receiver and the TV is having a problem. Are you using the free cable that came with the Joey or a higher speed HDMI cable?? That's the f irst place I'd look
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Hello everyone, new guy here. I'm trying to solve problem I'm having with Dish bonus view channels. When I'm watching the bonus view channels then I switch back to regular dish channels, after few minutes the screen flips to black and after 30 seconds flips back to regular channels and continues to flip back and forth until I turn off TV. After I wait 30 minutes and turn back on , I can use regular channels again. So, its after I switch from bonus view channels to regular dish channels the problem starts. Been trying to fix this for a month, but no luck
Here what I've done.
i contacted Dish support and they sent me a new Joey3, but no help. Switched to a different HDMI input on TV, no help. Used different HDMI cable , no help. Used different electrical wall plug, no help.
Finally got a Dish tech to check it. He ran all systems check and was OK. Finally he brought in a small TV and plugged in the HDMI out from the Joey to the small TV. He could not get the problem to occur on his small TV, so the new Joey was working OK. So, then the problem must be myTV. He made some phone calls and came back with the answer that there must be a problem with the analog to digital switch in my TV. Has anyone ever heard of a problem like this, or is it time to be looking for a new TV? My tv LG OLED65C8PUA. TV has been trouble free til now. Thanks
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First off, The analog to digital switch, also known as the digital television transition, is the process of converting older analog television broadcasting technology to digital broadcasting. It's used through coaxial cable for the an antenna during the mandatory switch from Analog to Digital on June 12, 2009. You either had to get a converter for your analog (Tube TV) or use a converter box that has the analog or digital tuner or an HDTV which your is and has the tuner built in. Your TV is HD and using an HDMI Cable and nothing is connected by coaxial cable so this wouldn't apply.

In my theory it probably means a new TV. I had a TV go out on my switching between the Smart Screen from the HDMI inputs before because they went faulty. Sometimes electrical surges can cause this. If you have an older home or rent an older home or apartment sometimes the electrical outlets are not grounded and these days HDTV's need a ground which can cause them to malfunction and go bad quicker. Never plug it directly in an outlet. It will damage the TV.

Hope I could be of some assistance.

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First off, The analog to digital switch, also known as the digital television transition, is the process of converting older analog television broadcasting technology to digital broadcasting. It's used through coaxial cable for the an antenna during the mandatory switch from Analog to Digital on June 12, 2009. You either had to get a converter for your analog (Tube TV) or use a converter box that has the analog or digital tuner or an HDTV which your is and has the tuner built in. Your TV is HD and using an HDMI Cable and nothing is connected by coaxial cable so this wouldn't apply.

In my theory it probably means a new TV. I had a TV go out on my switching between the Smart Screen from the HDMI inputs before because they went faulty. Sometimes electrical surges can cause this. If you have an older home or rent an older home or apartment sometimes the electrical outlets are not grounded and these days HDTV's need a ground which can cause them to malfunction and go bad quicker. Never plug it directly in an outlet. It will damage the TV.

Hope I could be of some assistance.

RJ T.
From Illinois
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Thank you for the information. I do keep the TV plugged into a surge protector, but we have had pretty strong thunderstorms/lightning in the last month so that have contributed to my problem.The house was built in 2009 so everything seems to be grounded correctly. We have had a power surge also. Seems like no one fixes anything any more, so just get a new one or live with the problem. Thanks
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First off, great TV. I'm torn between the 77C5 or the 77G5.
It sounds like the handshake between the Receiver and the TV is having a problem. Are you using the free cable that came with the Joey or a higher speed HDMI cable?? That's the f irst place I'd look
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I think the HDMI cable is good, i used one of my own from my 4K atmos system, i'll switch it with another just to check. Also I have a bid in at Greentoe for 77" G5. Thanks
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I think the HDMI cable is good, i used one of my own from my 4K atmos system, i'll switch it with another just to check. Also I have a bid in at Greentoe for 77" G5. Thanks
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I hope that works. I'm waiting til Black Friday sales
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I've had this problem with my older Sony TV. It happens when I just punch in a regular channel number. The only way it works right for me is to push guide and select a regular channel from the guide screen.
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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


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House of the Dragon

House of the Dragon, the prequel to Game of Thrones, premieres on HBO Max on 8/21. I will be warching

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'Game of Thrones' spinoff 'House of the Dragon' fires up release date at HBO, drops new character pics

The wait’s felt a little like watching for a dragon egg to hatch, but HBO’s hugely anticipated Game of Thrones prequel series finally has a release date. House of the Dragon will debut the first of its initial 10-episode season this summer, the network revealed today in a series of tweets that...
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GEOSATpro  Does anyone recognize these channels (/audio loop)?

Hi all, I recently inherited a FTA system off Craiglist and have been trying to get it set up. What I got was a Glorystar-branded ~90cm offset dish with a ground mount (/flat roof) frame, and GEOSATpro DSR200c receiver. From that initial equipment, I've replaced the old LNBF with a (cheap!) new one and also splurged on an SG-2100 H-H motorized rotor which does respond from the receiver's USALS menu.

The previous owner had it set up for religious programming on Galaxy 19 and I've been trying to start by finding that same bird at least. After a couple sessions I'm not sure I have, but I've found *something* at least! A handful of motor ticks further than the dish wants to be for 97W after starting from motor 0 pointing as much south as I can guess at. (I don't have great references to aim for and it's really hard to sight where exactly the dish is pointing anyway….)

Anyway, so far there's only one transponder that I've ever been able to catch as I search. It's 12146 V and when the receiver scans it I get this list of video channels:
  • 1.1 Srv_1
  • 2.84 OU_Chan
  • 3.2 Srv_2
  • 4.5 Srv_5
  • 5.3 Srv_3
  • 6.4 Srv_4
  • 7.6 Srv_6
  • 8.7 Srv_7
There's iirc three audio channels it finds too but I didn't get a good snapshot of those. All the channels except for one seem to be dead (black screen and silent audio), except for the OU_Chan one which on both days I found it was just rolling one same ad over and over on a loop. I won't repeat the full roll since I don't want to spam the forums as my first post 😇 but it's a long-winded spiel about "you know us as an industry-leading satellite solutions provider with over a quarter million sites" and to call them For All Your Every Needs™ type thing.

While I get little blips from other frequencies, this is the only strong transponder I've been able to come across. My receiver shows it as S 75 and Q up to 85 when I adjust it. It actually seemed to get better as I **un**skewed my LBNF — iiuc G19 was supposed to be -20º for me but however I'm supposed to be reading/referencing the angles the puck is now basically at 0º relative to the dish/arm got the strongest on this transponder.

Anyway sorry this is so long winded already… my question is, do I even have the right satellite? None of the other transponders that are supposed to be active on G-19 seem to come in. And if not the right satellite does anyone happen to recognize which one I might have found instead? I think knowing that would help me then adjust for a truer south aim and then hopeful the USALS will work automatically once I can get it dialed in.
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Correct LO setting to 10600 MHz. Set receiver to 12053 V 22000. Use USALS to motor over to 97W Galaxy 19. Then, loosen bolts and rotate entire assembly (motor & dish) very slightly east or west until you peak on that transponder.

You should be able to blind scan in 6 transponders (DVB-S) and dozens of channels.

When using a motor, just set skew of LNB for 0 degrees and don't change it. The motor automatically rotates the dish to the correct skew.
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Correct LO setting to 10600 MHz. Set receiver to 12053 V 22000. Use USALS to motor over to 97W Galaxy 19. Then, loosen bolts and rotate entire assembly (motor & dish) very slightly east or west until you peak on that transponder.
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Done and done and done! I ended up doing a bit more iteration (back and forth between the left-right and up-down adjustments) but I've now got it landing on G19 at its default position for 97W.

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You should be able to blind scan in 6 transponders (DVB-S) and dozens of channels.
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Yep, ended up with a page or two full on my receiver's search. Didn't double-check that my receiver has all six of the right transponders but I can mess with that later if it turns out I'm missing something interesting but still DVB-S / MPEG-2 compatible.
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When using a motor, just set skew of LNB for 0 degrees and don't change it. The motor automatically rotates the dish to the correct skew.
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Yep, can see definite signal degradation as soon as I skew the LNB either way from "straight" (seam on the LNB lined up with the clamps on the mounting bracket). Will make setup easier if I want to try swapping anything else in!

I don't know if there's any good (unencrypted, DVB-S) satellite farther away to really check the sweep against, but I was at least able to program in my original find at 101.0 W back in (now at the correct "12000 V 20000" setting) and can get both birds automatically.

Shouldn't be *that* exciting since it's just an ad, but still really fun to choose channels on the other one and have it jog over and lock on 🤓
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Motor over to 123W Galaxy 18 and try for 12078 V 3680 (Korean Broadcasting System). It is DVB-S. And 12008 H 12660 (Daystar mux) on the same satellite.

Beyond these, you'll need your new receiver that supports DVB-S2.
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Done and done and done! I ended up doing a bit more iteration (back and forth between the left-right and up-down adjustments) but I've now got it landing on G19 at its default position for 97W.


Yep, ended up with a page or two full on my receiver's search. Didn't double-check that my receiver has all six of the right transponders but I can mess with that later if it turns out I'm missing something interesting but still DVB-S / MPEG-2 compatible.

Yep, can see definite signal degradation as soon as I skew the LNB either way from "straight" (seam on the LNB lined up with the clamps on the mounting bracket). Will make setup easier if I want to try swapping anything else in!

I don't know if there's any good (unencrypted, DVB-S) satellite farther away to really check the sweep against, but I was at least able to program in my original find at 101.0 W back in (now at the correct "12000 V 20000" setting) and can get both birds automatically.

Shouldn't be *that* exciting since it's just an ad, but still really fun to choose channels on the other one and have it jog over and lock on 🤓
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beside 123W, another one to try (if it's above the horizon at your location) is Hispasat @30W. It has at least 2 DVB-S transponders with SD/Mpeg2 channels
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Motor over to 123W Galaxy 18 and try for 12078 V 3680 (Korean Broadcasting System). It is DVB-S. And 12008 H 12660 (Daystar mux) on the same satellite.
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No luck finding this one. I motor over and it seems like a pretty dead spot of sky. I did get a slight blip (Q up to 1% or 2%) if I lowered the dish slightly. So I wonder if my polar mount itself maybe needs a bit of fine tuning?

Even when loosening the bolts and manually nudging the dish up/down/left/right nothing seemed to really wake it [new receiver, see below!] up and never saw anything more than 4% or 5% which I don't know is even real or could have been just noise?

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beside 123W, another one to try (if it's above the horizon at your location) is Hispasat @30W.
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I'm in Washington state (northwest CONUS) so this one's not an option for me.

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Beyond these, you'll need your new receiver that supports DVB-S2.
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I now have a V8 Finder 2 :-)

I've been able to scan in more now on G-19, and as well as watching the ad on SES 1 and getting some PBS stations there and G-16 both. So three satellites kinda in the general vicinity of each other (97W/101W/99.1W) programmed and able to rotate between.

Is G-18 at 123W as strong as the others? According to Satbeams I should be at least somewhat in its footprint although it looks like it's maybe focused more on Alaska.

Now that I'm back at my computer waiting for the Finder to charge back up looks like the Eutelsat(s) 117W have a couple Ku transponders I could look for too.
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On 117W, try for BVN. It has a C/N lock of just 1.0 dB so it's easy to receive. See transponder data on Lyngsat. 123W is receivable. Your motor is not perfectly on the arc yet.
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