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Stuart Sweet
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Faced with a deadline of July 17, 2023 for the end of ATSC 3.0 test broadcasts, the FCC has taken a step which essentially saves the new technology from extinction, while leaving a lot of other questions open for the future. Like the FCC of 2017, today's FCC is counting on tomorrow's FCC to solve those problems, but at the very least they haven't allowed ATSC 3.0 to die from inaction.

What I'm really talking about


In a long public statement, the FCC has come to the rescue of ATSC 3.0, but done little else. The deadline for the end of testing for ATSC 3.0 has been pushed to July 17, 2027. The FCC has also put a little reminder in their calendars to look at things in 2026 to see if this deadline needs to be pushed again.

Honestly, that's all they seem to have done. Here's a short list of what they could have done, and didn't:

  • Recommended a federal incentive to pay people who buy converter boxes
  • Required all TVs to become ATSC 3.0-capable by a specific date
  • Funded additional research into making low-cost converter boxes
  • Allowed ATSC 3.0 channels to broadcast materially different programs than ATSC 1.0 (which would have allowed 4K over-the-air)
  • Set a hard stop for all ATSC 1.0 broadcasts

That last one seems to have been of particular interest as the commissioners have been vocal in their disagreement. According to Cord Cutters News,

FCC Chair Jessica Rosenworcel said, "I think that a lot of people in this room believe that ATSC 1.0 needs to have a hard sunset target and that we should migrate to 3.0 at that point."

FCC Commissioner Nathan Simington thinks that a gradual transition would be more fitting. "Having people preferentially gravitate towards the 3.0 content, and having new universal penetration of 3.0 and new devices are the goals that would make it easy to get a terminal date for 1.0, and it seems like it's easier to accomplish by a pull than by a push."

Instead of suddenly eliminating 1.0, Simington feels a natural shift will take place with consumers who will eventually embrace 3.0 and make 1.0 obsolete in the process. "Turning off 1.0 becomes totally non-controversial because then everyone will have forgotten it was there."

The FCC also said that they will "consider" temporarily making more channels available during the testing period, but I have to presume that's like when you would ask your mom if you could have some toy or other and she said she'd "consider" it. It usually meant you weren't getting the toy.

When will things actually change?


That's really the question, isn't it? When will we get low-cost converter boxes for real? When will the issue with encryption really be solved? When will we have over-the-air 4K and all those other services? The way things are now, there's no real need for anyone to even try ATSC 3.0 services since everything broadcast on ATSC 3.0 is also available on a regular 1.0 station.

You will occasionally here someone comment on how something looks better on an ATSC 3.0 station, and that's likely true, especially if the station normally broadcasts in 720p. ATSC 3.0 allows for more picture information at a lower bitrate, which can make the picture look better. But let's be clear here: it's not 4K.

What the FCC did here is essentially a punt, and it's better than nothing. By taking action, they're allowing the testing to continue. Without their action, it would have all ended. But since they haven't answered any of the real questions, I still have doubts.

If we look at this time frame, we're now talking about 2030 or so before we really see the full transition to ATSC 3.0, and 2027 before we see 4K over-the-air. I have to wonder if there will be any demand at all for it at that point. By that time it's perfectly possible that streaming and pay-TV will have gone to 8K or something else, and over-the-air will be left behind again.

One more thing…


All the antennas sold today at SolidSignal.com are ATSC 3.0 compatible! Check out our great selection. If you need help choosing, call us! We're here for you during East Coast business hours. Just call 888-233-7563. Or, if it's after hours, just fill out the form below. We'll get right back to you!


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Radioguy41
ATSC 3.0 is a solution looking for a problem to solve and has not found it. It was a bad idea from the gitgo and should be allowed to die the ignoble death it so richly deserves. If the networks think people are suddenly going to flock to the likes of "PBC Fight Night" just because the picture is in pseudo 4K methinks they've been inhaling the funny stuff. Just one more in a very, very long list of bad decisions by the FCC.
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navychop
All the antennas sold today at SolidSignal.com are ATSC 3.0 compatible!

So's a paper clip.

I know you gotta move product, but be honest: ALL antennas are ATSC 3 compatible.
dweber
ATSC 3.0 is a solution looking for a problem to solve and has not found it. It was a bad idea from the gitgo and should be allowed to die the ignoble death it so richly deserve.

ATSC 3.0 is not going to die. It will take a while for full adoption but it provides many benefits over ATSC 1.0. It provides much better compression which can be used to provide more broadcast subchannels or better video. It solves multipath problems. It allows mobile devices to receive broadcasts. With the use of the internet it can provide many other benefits.
Several other countries have converted their broadcasts to use ATSC 3.0.


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navychop
"Can" is not "will" without another drain on our wallets.
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Stuart Sweet
So's a paper clip.

I know you gotta move product, but be honest: ALL antennas are ATSC 3 compatible.
Yep you are so right. Not denying it.
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K
Several other countries have converted their broadcasts to use ATSC 3.0.
The only countries to officially adopt ATSC 3.0 are USA, South Korea, Jamaica and Trinidad & Tobago.

Not a single one of them has fully converted to ATSC 3.0. Even in South Korea, it's still operating side by side with ATSC 1.0 with only the 4 major broadcasters having ATSC 3.0 muxes in select cities.

In Jamaica and Trinidad & Tobago's case they haven't even launched digital OTA, so they will be going directly from analog to ATSC 3.0. At last check Jamaica only has 2 TVJ transmitters on air the rest of their OTA broadcasters are still analog only, while Trinidad & Tobago still have none. Jamaica claims they will be converted by the end of the year, but unless there's a drastic change in the availability and pricing of TVs and tuners in the country, it's probably wishful thinking
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any thing about pay tv in their?
are any old rules still in play like can broadcast scrambled 24/7? can broadcast scrambled hard core porn (on tv and others had that) etc?
Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

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Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


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I Care About Detroit - Smokey Robinson & the Miracles
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I Wanna Talk About Me - Toby Keith
Bobby
98.6 - Keith
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I'm Easy - Keith Carridine
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R
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Lately my eight year old Dell laptop has been shutting off even when I have a full battery. I have had to keep it plugged up all the time to keep this from happening. Any idea what is causing this? I replaced the battery about three years ago.
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arlo
A recalibration might be needed. Even if it shows full, the individual cells may have become unbalaced. And the BMS chip in the battery reports false information to the pc.
Try this. Start it up in the bios/uefi and leave it there until the battery dies and it shuts off.
It might just keep running longer than in Windows. Or run for a short while and shut off.
If it's the first case. Probably just needs a balancing. If the latter, the pack might just be dead.
Not throwing stones but perhaps just a cheaply constructed battery with substandard cells. Could be.

Patience. Keep restarting it in bios/uefi until it won't fire up anymore.
Then plug the charger in and let it complete a full charge. And see what happens. If it's better.
Do the same thing one more time. Run it until it dies dead-dead. Then just let it charge, pc shut off.
When charged, it might be better. It might not be.

There are bench jigs that read the actual BMS and override it to let a tech manually monitor and charge the separate packs. They can also reset any "time bombs" in it that cause an otherwise good pack to show bad.
Maybe Santa will be good to me some year.

You might just need a new battery. Maybe the PC power management chip is going. A Dell common thing.
Leaving a laptop plugged in with a full battery is known to reduce the life. Asus for one recommends that you don't leave the charger plugged in all of the time even when shut down. And setting Windows to charge the battery to 85% instead of 100% increases life.
That's all I got.
dishstaller
That's all I got.
That was quite enough....I definitely learned something from your post. Thanks
TRG
TRG
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I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
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b4pjoe
I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
If you can't get into the router to reserve an IP address just don't use DHCP on the device that needs connected and assign it to a specific IP address in the network settings.
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HipKat
I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
They are not. Your best bet is to set up a third-party router, attached to the Starlink for your server, that you can get into, like a Linksys, etc
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…it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
The Starlink V5 Install Kit I just got comes with the Mini Router. It is pretty limited in what it can do. For example, it can provide only one IP subnet at a time, no Guest Network, but it does support the pass-thru to a third-party Router. You can also split the Wi-Fi into separate 5 GHz & 2.4 GHz SSIDs to help some IoT devices that don't support 5 GHz bands to work.

The larger Starlink Router that still comes with the V4 Kit does support a Guest Network with separate IPv4 Subnet, but it's $120 from Starlink. And it still won't do DHCP Reservations.
harshness
If you can restrict the DHCP address space to assign addresses to one end of the subnet (i.e. x.x.x.50+), you can manually assign the IP address on pretty much any operating system. This is a default behavior on several popular routers. As the Router Mini only supports 235 devices, I expect that's already done.

Another option is to use a router that supports PoE to power the antenna. This article discusses that option (under PoE Power heading):

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Now that I've had the v5 kit with the Mini Router, it's not as bad as I first thought. Yes, no DHCP reservations, but you can set up multiple SSIDs that have separate IPv4 subnets, and like the big brother, you can select from 192.168.x.0/24 or 10.x.0.0/16 (where "x" is 1-4).

You can also split a subnet and have different SSIDs for the 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz channels to handle some IoT devices. I haven't discovered what subnet the 2nd NIC on the router assigns, I'm guessing it's the first subnet.
dishstaller
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dishstaller
Sorry for posting the wrong link. Just corrected it.
dishstaller
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Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

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Jimbo
Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

They will have to look at the switching sections to determine WHY 2 trains were on the same track ... at the same time.
dishstaller
Thought this article might be of interest to some of you who might travel via train.