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Stuart Sweet
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
· posted in The Solid Signal Blog
Lately there has been a lot of talk about 5G. This tech was going to be the absolute biggest thing there ever was, and I think that honestly most of that hype fizzled. 5G is better than LTE, except of course when it isn't. I think most of the time it is faster, especially if you live somewhere with "5G+" service. On the other hand, 5G signals have a tendency to work poorly over larger distances, and that's where LTE still beats it.

One of the things that's being talked about lately is 5G filtering. Most of our Televes antennas will filter 5G signals and you're starting to see some companies with standalone 5G filters. But is it worth it? Is this even a problem, or is it just something that the antenna companies cooked up to sell you something?

On the other hand, if it's true that TV antennas do pick up 5G, does that mean your average TV antenna could do a better job than your average cellular antenna, if you hooked it to a cell booster? Is that something you should consider if you're looking for the best performance from your cell phone signal booster?

Time for some straight talk


OK, here's the truth. Most cell phone signals, including 5G, use the frequency range from 600-850MHz. Some use a range up in the 1800-2200MHz range and others, like "5G+", use frequencies way up above 20,000MHz. But let's focus on the 600-850 range right now. These frequencies were first used for 3G signals, and when the major carriers stopped using 3G, they gave those frequencies over to 5G.

What you need to know about the 600-850MHz range is that it was, yes, originally used for TV broadcasting. Because of the tech back in the mid-20th century, you needed a lot of space between broadcast channels. It wasn't just a technical limitation, it was the law. So in order to have 15-20 broadcast stations on the air like New York and Los Angeles did, you needed about 80 broadcast channels.

Remember at the time there was no internet, and broadcast TV was pretty much the only way to get live video. Back then, everyone expected TV to keep growing and growing. Well, we know it didn't.

Here's what really happened


What really happened was, broadcast frequencies originally used for television were given over to other purposes. Originally, TV channels ran up to 83. Channels 70-83 were taken first, followed by 51-69. By the time TV went digital, the tech was better, the growth spurt was over, and you just didn't need all those extra channels. In the late '10s, TV station frequencies were reshuffled so that broadcasters only used 54-550MHz, or to put it another way, channels 2-35.

What happened to those other frequencies? Most of them were given over to cell phone communication. You hardly need me to tell you that cell phone use exploded in the 21st century especially when smartphones came on the market. People's appetites for streaming video meant high demand for those frequencies.

As a result, frequencies in the 600, 700, and 850MHz range are used for cellular communications even though they were originally used for broadcast TV. And as I said, though they were originally used for 3G, today they're used for 5G.

How big of a problem is this?


Like most things, it isn't a problem until it is. For the most part, TV and cellular broadcasts can live quite happily together. TV broadcasts are "horizontally polarized," meaning the waves go left-to-right. Cell communication uses "vertically polarized" signals, meaning the waves go up-and-down. This should mean that there is next to no interference between them, even when the frequencies are very close.

However, interference does happen. If you are very close to a cell tower, close enough to see it clearly, the cell signal could be strong enough to overpower the weaker broadcast signal. This will show up on your TV as a repeating pattern of quick glitches every few seconds. It won't be on every channel, but because of some of the math involved, it's not always going to be the same channel for everyone.

If you are seeing something like this happen to you, you'll want to get an antenna with a 5G filter. Call the experts at Solid Signal to help you find the right one. We're here for you at 888-233-7563 during East Coast business hours. If it's after hours, fill out the form below. We'll get right back to you!

What about using a TV antenna as a cellular antenna?


Truth is, TV antennas don't make very good cell antennas. They're designed to pick up a lo of signals besides those in the 5G range, and they don't pick up the AWS frequencies at 1800-2200MHz that are still used for LTE by some carriers. Plus, you'd have to turn your antenna at 90 degrees to get those vertically polarized signals very well. You're better off staying with the antenna that came with your cell phone signal booster.


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Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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I Care About Detroit - Smokey Robinson & the Miracles
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I Wanna Talk About Me - Toby Keith
Bobby
98.6 - Keith
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I'm Easy - Keith Carridine
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It's Easy - Boston
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Last reply · posted in Computers and Gadgets
Lately my eight year old Dell laptop has been shutting off even when I have a full battery. I have had to keep it plugged up all the time to keep this from happening. Any idea what is causing this? I replaced the battery about three years ago.
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arlo
A recalibration might be needed. Even if it shows full, the individual cells may have become unbalaced. And the BMS chip in the battery reports false information to the pc.
Try this. Start it up in the bios/uefi and leave it there until the battery dies and it shuts off.
It might just keep running longer than in Windows. Or run for a short while and shut off.
If it's the first case. Probably just needs a balancing. If the latter, the pack might just be dead.
Not throwing stones but perhaps just a cheaply constructed battery with substandard cells. Could be.

Patience. Keep restarting it in bios/uefi until it won't fire up anymore.
Then plug the charger in and let it complete a full charge. And see what happens. If it's better.
Do the same thing one more time. Run it until it dies dead-dead. Then just let it charge, pc shut off.
When charged, it might be better. It might not be.

There are bench jigs that read the actual BMS and override it to let a tech manually monitor and charge the separate packs. They can also reset any "time bombs" in it that cause an otherwise good pack to show bad.
Maybe Santa will be good to me some year.

You might just need a new battery. Maybe the PC power management chip is going. A Dell common thing.
Leaving a laptop plugged in with a full battery is known to reduce the life. Asus for one recommends that you don't leave the charger plugged in all of the time even when shut down. And setting Windows to charge the battery to 85% instead of 100% increases life.
That's all I got.
dishstaller
That's all I got.
That was quite enough....I definitely learned something from your post. Thanks
TRG
TRG
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I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
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b4pjoe
I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
If you can't get into the router to reserve an IP address just don't use DHCP on the device that needs connected and assign it to a specific IP address in the network settings.
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HipKat
I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
They are not. Your best bet is to set up a third-party router, attached to the Starlink for your server, that you can get into, like a Linksys, etc
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…it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
The Starlink V5 Install Kit I just got comes with the Mini Router. It is pretty limited in what it can do. For example, it can provide only one IP subnet at a time, no Guest Network, but it does support the pass-thru to a third-party Router. You can also split the Wi-Fi into separate 5 GHz & 2.4 GHz SSIDs to help some IoT devices that don't support 5 GHz bands to work.

The larger Starlink Router that still comes with the V4 Kit does support a Guest Network with separate IPv4 Subnet, but it's $120 from Starlink. And it still won't do DHCP Reservations.
harshness
If you can restrict the DHCP address space to assign addresses to one end of the subnet (i.e. x.x.x.50+), you can manually assign the IP address on pretty much any operating system. This is a default behavior on several popular routers. As the Router Mini only supports 235 devices, I expect that's already done.

Another option is to use a router that supports PoE to power the antenna. This article discusses that option (under PoE Power heading):

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Now that I've had the v5 kit with the Mini Router, it's not as bad as I first thought. Yes, no DHCP reservations, but you can set up multiple SSIDs that have separate IPv4 subnets, and like the big brother, you can select from 192.168.x.0/24 or 10.x.0.0/16 (where "x" is 1-4).

You can also split a subnet and have different SSIDs for the 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz channels to handle some IoT devices. I haven't discovered what subnet the 2nd NIC on the router assigns, I'm guessing it's the first subnet.
dishstaller
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dishstaller
Sorry for posting the wrong link. Just corrected it.
dishstaller
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

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Jimbo
Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

They will have to look at the switching sections to determine WHY 2 trains were on the same track ... at the same time.
dishstaller
Thought this article might be of interest to some of you who might travel via train.