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Last reply Jul 19, 2023 · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum

Power Inserter Voltage

I would like to power my SWM dish with the 12v system in my RV. My question is: Is the 21/29v output to the dish DC or AC?

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Jimbo

Jul 16, 2023

Slightly different question in the same area :
I currently am using a 21V PI with my current 2/3 recvr set up ...
I have a HR24, a C61k Client (I don't count that as a recvr, but they do) and currently now using a HR54 ....

I never removed the external PI, in case I some time remove the HR54 for any period of time, the rest would still work.

Does this set up have 42v on it with the HR54 and the PI21v connected ?
Is that any trouble ?

Been this way for quite a while.

raoul5788

Jul 17, 2023

Jimbo said:
Slightly different question in the same area :
I currently am using a 21V PI with my current 2/3 recvr set up ...
I have a HR24, a C61k Client (I don't count that as a recvr, but they do) and currently now using a HR54 ....

I never removed the external PI, in case I some time remove the HR54 for any period of time, the rest would still work.

Does this set up have 42v on it with the HR54 and the PI21v connected ?
Is that any trouble ?

Been this way for quite a while.

I think I read that in this case the internal PI from the HR54 is disabled.

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Jimbo

Jul 17, 2023

raoul5788 said:
I think I read that in this case the internal PI from the HR54 is disabled.

Ok, so it doesn't Add addl voltage, good to know.

arlo

Jul 17, 2023

This is interesting and have been keeping up with the thread.
The OP asks if a 12 VDC system can be used to power his SWM. But no mention of the string of components he has a need to power. Comments are going on a tangent.
Straight from receiver to the dish? Any switches, etc. in the mix?

The DIRECT TV PI21R2-16 power inserter states it can output 21 VDC....Volts Direct Current. At up to 1.2 amps/25.2 Watts current draw. Easy. Enough to power a system in the specified installation parameters.
Different setups require different power inserters. Different PI series inserters for different installations.
So the PI-8 and others like it deliver a regulated 29 VDC.
So. What are we working with? Take a peek:

https://www.swm8.com/swm-power-inserter.php

It's an RV. I didn't read if the coax needed to be run in the woods 300 feet. Probably not from any RV I've ever seen with a dish hanging outside on a tripod. Not considering roof mounted Traveler types of self-aiming units.
OK.

Firstly. All of the components. Switches, LNBF's need at least the voltage specified for them.
My tangent. My buddy's RV is 100% solar. Of course the option to plug in to an RV park outlet.
The inverter and MPPT controllers are very efficient. Very! We just upgraded to lithium batteries. Kept the deep cycle batteries too. And 2 additional easel mounted 300 watt ground mounted panels. 5 panels total. It's a toy hauler so they have the storage room. Nice setup. They run the system smart. We converted everything that can be run off of 12/18-24 VDC to eliminate wall warts and brick supplies. Used the better quality eBay boost converters for his TV, sat. To keep load off of the inverter and the obvious why boost voltage to have a power supply to reduce it again.
And I've actualy done the same thing at home for my modest solar to power my fridge and tv, router, modem and a few other things. RV bulbs in the table lamps. Runs all night just fine.

Allrigtey. The LNBF's, switches all have their own internal voltage regulators. They may state they require 29 volts. But may actually (I don't know) regulate that voltage down to 18 volts internally.
Try it. Any man worth his beans needs at least a mediocre multimeter and the smarts to use one.
A coax splicing connector, a short jumper from that to the LNBF, switch, etc.
Cut open to expose the center conductor and outer braid. And measure the voltage getting to the powered device.
If voltage gets too low the system is going to glitch or crap out and not work right or at all.
I suspect a lot of that excess 29 volts is getting dissipated as heat. Right?
10 feet of coax measure 29 volts at the tip and under load. At 100 feet measures, oh lets just say, 22 volts. The system is going to be happy. So will an installer. Not having to pee around with 47 power supplies.

The better boost converters will do the job. Take a 12-13.2 battery voltage and send it out at a higher voltage with adequate wattage. You're golden. Measure the voltage at the endpoint. Start out low and increase it to specs. Or if it works just fine at a little lower voltage. Roll with it.
Or get a high efficiency solar inverter or power bank and call it a day. Not one of those truck stop/wally world jobs.
Yeah.

slice1900

Jul 18, 2023

Jimbo said:
Ok, so it doesn't Add addl voltage, good to know.

That's not how electricity works, if you connect multiple sources of x volts you still get x volts, but you can draw more amps. You need diodes to do so - if you look at my .sig below I list:

4xPS242000A via HRFPX4 & PS2x8

What I'm doing is using four 24v power supplies connected to an HRFPX4 which is Sonora gear that has built in diodes which combines the output from four power supplies into a single output. That's connected to a PS2x8 with its outputs connected to the polarity locker, amp and DSWM30s.

That gear only needs two of Sonora's 2A 24v power supplies worth of power to operate, the reason I'm using four is for redundancy. Protects against the loss of any one power supply, but also have each pair powered by a separate outlet served from a different electrical panel.

lorrrrrenzo

Jul 18, 2023

arlo said:
This is interesting and have been keeping up with the thread.
The OP asks if a 12 VDC system can be used to power his SWM. But no mention of the string of components he has a need to power. Comments are going on a tangent.
Straight from receiver to the dish? Any switches, etc. in the mix?

The DIRECT TV PI21R2-16 power inserter states it can output 21 VDC....Volts Direct Current. At up to 1.2 amps/25.2 Watts current draw. Easy. Enough to power a system in the specified installation parameters.
Different setups require different power inserters. Different PI series inserters for different installations.
So the PI-8 and others like it deliver a regulated 29 VDC.
So. What are we working with? Take a peek:

https://www.swm8.com/swm-power-inserter.php

It's an RV. I didn't read if the coax needed to be run in the woods 300 feet. Probably not from any RV I've ever seen with a dish hanging outside on a tripod. Not considering roof mounted Traveler types of self-aiming units.
OK.

Firstly. All of the components. Switches, LNBF's need at least the voltage specified for them.
My tangent. My buddy's RV is 100% solar. Of course the option to plug in to an RV park outlet.
The inverter and MPPT controllers are very efficient. Very! We just upgraded to lithium batteries. Kept the deep cycle batteries too. And 2 additional easel mounted 300 watt ground mounted panels. 5 panels total. It's a toy hauler so they have the storage room. Nice setup. They run the system smart. We converted everything that can be run off of 12/18-24 VDC to eliminate wall warts and brick supplies. Used the better quality eBay boost converters for his TV, sat. To keep load off of the inverter and the obvious why boost voltage to have a power supply to reduce it again.
And I've actualy done the same thing at home for my modest solar to power my fridge and tv, router, modem and a few other things. RV bulbs in the table lamps. Runs all night just fine.

Allrigtey. The LNBF's, switches all have their own internal voltage regulators. They may state they require 29 volts. But may actually (I don't know) regulate that voltage down to 18 volts internally.
Try it. Any man worth his beans needs at least a mediocre multimeter and the smarts to use one.
A coax splicing connector, a short jumper from that to the LNBF, switch, etc.
Cut open to expose the center conductor and outer braid. And measure the voltage getting to the powered device.
If voltage gets too low the system is going to glitch or crap out and not work right or at all.
I suspect a lot of that excess 29 volts is getting dissipated as heat. Right?
10 feet of coax measure 29 volts at the tip and under load. At 100 feet measures, oh lets just say, 22 volts. The system is going to be happy. So will an installer. Not having to pee around with 47 power supplies.

The better boost converters will do the job. Take a 12-13.2 battery voltage and send it out at a higher voltage with adequate wattage. You're golden. Measure the voltage at the endpoint. Start out low and increase it to specs. Or if it works just fine at a little lower voltage. Roll with it.
Or get a high efficiency solar inverter or power bank and call it a day. Not one of those truck stop/wally world jobs.
Yeah.

I have three different off-grid solar situations (RV and 2 homes). I originally started this thread as my mountain property had few options for dish placement. The dish only got signal 150' from the cabin. I was having issues with the receiver resetting and I thought it could be due to a voltage drop from the P21. Shopping for a P29 I was curious if I could just run a buck voltage converter ($10 on Amazon) using the 12v from my system (and it was cheaper than a P29). I had the P21 on hand so I used the housing and coax block with the new converter (which was exactly the same size as the one it replaced). Input comes from a 12v cigarette plug, output was set to get 21v at the dish. Looks factory and works perfect. All my solar systems have pure sine inverters running off trojan or LifePo4 batteries with MPPT controllers. May seem silly to not just plug in a P29 but it gives me more power to run my Keurig lol.

harshness

Jul 18, 2023

slice1900 said:
That's not how electricity works, if you connect multiple sources of x volts you still get x volts, but you can draw more amps.

That's an oversimplification that relies on the sources being connected in parallel.

arlo

Jul 18, 2023

lorrrrrenzo said:
I have three different off-grid solar situations (RV and 2 homes). I originally started this thread as my mountain property had few options for dish placement. The dish only got signal 150' from the cabin. I was having issues with the receiver resetting and I thought it could be due to a voltage drop from the P21. Shopping for a P29 I was curious if I could just run a buck voltage converter ($10 on Amazon) using the 12v from my system (and it was cheaper than a P29). I had the P21 on hand so I used the housing and coax block with the new converter (which was exactly the same size as the one it replaced). Input comes from a 12v cigarette plug, output was set to get 21v at the dish. Looks factory and works perfect. All my solar systems have pure sine inverters running off trojan or LifePo4 batteries with MPPT controllers. May seem silly to not just plug in a P29 but it gives me more power to run my Keurig lol.

Oh. Here I go. Hopefully asked the right questions in the previous reply.
Electricity can be like your gangster best buddy. It can go out of its way to help you but won't hesitate to make you a "Hey, remember that 'thing' in The Hamptons" thing" You know.
As much as I despise cheap chinese junk. They do have some pretty cool gizmos. I wish we did the same kind of things in the CONUS. We can. We should.
My buddy with the toy hauler. He lives in AZ. But comes up every summer and parks at my other buddy's home.
He's a DOD contractor. And union. So a few months of layoff in the summer is no worries.
A friendly conversation. Could you show me your solar setup? Turned into a cool upgrade. His RV center installed the initial system with a couple of golf cart (labeled solar) batteries. As mentioned they had ok power off grid.
I think we doubled it easily. Less monitoring of the charge controller display in the kitchen in the evenings.
The new one has bluetooth. Or greentooth as they call it in Florida. lol!
I learned during the hurricanes some years ago in FL. Charley, Frances, Ivan, and Jeanne. All in a short period one after the other. Had fiber Internet. So running my modem , ONIT, off of 12 vdc was possible. My laptop on the other hand needed 18 vdc. I grabbed the APC's and forklift batteries from work.
Lots to be said there. 5 days w/o juice and a week with no water. Showering in a pair of shorts under the rain gutters.
Neighbor lady asking when I thought we would get water again. She needed to flush the commode. While the main was a geyser by the oak tree that blew over and roots severed it. Pointed to the pool and asked her if she had a mop bucket. You would have thought I was Einstein from the look on her face.
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I was making percolator coffee with a sterno can under the electric stove burners.
I think the suckiest thing though were the folks who prepped and stocked up. And bought a generator before the semi's with scalpers lined up to sell you one at way jacked up prices.
All proud of your generator chained to a tree or pickup. Going to sleep with a window a/c running. Fridge keeping the beer and grub cold. Waking up in the morning and the place is hot, fridge off, no a/c. Generator running outside still.
But no juice. And go outside to see the damned thing was swapped out during the night for a pawn shop lawn mower.
My friend Jack was smart. Jacked up the Ford and slid his genset underneath. And slapped an electric fencer on the truck body with a hidden pull string tied to a chain switch to turn it on and off. Rednecks are amazing!

slice1900

Jul 18, 2023

harshness said:
That's an oversimplification that relies on the sources being connected in parallel.

That's the only possible way you could connect two coaxial power sources.

harshness

Jul 19, 2023

slice1900 said:
That's the only possible way you could connect two coaxial power sources.

Nobody said that the sources had to have coaxial outputs. Since the problem was solved already, the discussion is going well beyond addressing the thread topic into matters of dogma.

The boost/buck converter using the PI21's bias tee facilities was an easy solution to the problem. That it isn't conventional, offered by a well-known retailer or isn't providing more than 21VDC is immaterial.

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klang said:
Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.

Yeah, the foot stuff was just nasty. I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less. Funny, I love being shoe less at home and never wear shoes indoors in my home for long, but seeing her laying on all her furniture with her bare feet hanging out just kind of grossed me out.

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MikeD-C05 said:
I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less.

Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?

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harshness said:
Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?

There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure. So walking around the station like she did she would get stuff on her feet. I am sure the robot vacuum is still going to miss stuff, with all those different alien species running around there.

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MikeD-C05 said:
There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure.

Where is it going to come from -- specifically?

Why do you think cleaning technology won't improve in the next few hundred years? HEPA filtration was invented as part of the Manhattan Project.

MikeD-C05

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harshness said:
Where is it going to come from -- specifically?

Why do you think cleaning technology won't improve in the next few hundred years? HEPA filtration was invented as part of the Manhattan Project.

I don't know, but I still don't like her walking through the station or the academy with out her shoes. It looks unprofessional and very "hippy like" for someone of her status and I personally don't get off to feet, so there is that.

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MikeD-C05 said:
I don't know, but I still don't like her walking through the station or the academy with out her shoes. It looks unprofessional and very "hippy like" for someone of her status and I personally don't get off to feet, so there is that.

Stay out of my office. I rarely have shoes or socks on in the office. My office and business is at home though :clapping

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MikeD-C05 said:
I don't know, but I still don't like her walking through the station or the academy with out her shoes.

That is your right.

I couldn't buy hiding behind the dirty-feet argument.

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Oct 13, 2026

NASCAR, Freeway Insurance 500, Sunday 10-18, 12PM PDT, Channel 148-04.

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Thursday at 3:57 PM

CFB, Ohio State at Indiana, Saturday 10-17, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Arizona State at Texas Tech, Saturday 10-17, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.

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Yesterday at 2:37 PM

CFB, Ole Miss at Texas, Saturday 10-24, 4:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.

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Today at 1:54 PM

CFB, Indiana at Michigan, Saturday 10-24, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, BYU at UCF, Saturday 10-24, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.

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