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Bruce
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Only 64% of Households Have a Live Pay-TV Service

The percentage of TV households that have a live pay-TV service (via cable, satellite, Telco, or Internet-delivered vMVPD) is down from 78% in 2018, 86% in 2013, and 87% in 2008.

I have been posting this for awhile now, as households grow (131 Million today vs 126 million five years ago), yet the number/percentage of those canceling Live TV is accelerating/increasing.

42% of renters do not have a pay-TV service – compared to 33% of homeowners

This one surprised me since so many multi-dwellings include some sort of service

Among those that never had a pay-TV service, 63% are ages 18-34, compared to 24% of former pay-TV subscribers

The cord nevers everyone, shows as the over 50 crowd dies off, no one to replace them in the Paid Live TV world, not like they will one day turn 50 and decide, oh I want the Paid Live TV bundle.

My kids are 33 and 28, they both grew up in a Paid Live TV Household, since being on their own, never have had, do not seem to miss it, they just do not think about it.

The mean age of traditional pay-TV subscribers is 49.3 – compared to 42.5 among non-subscribers, and 40.8 with vMVPD-only

Show that the ages of those cancelling is increasing, no longer is it just the under 40 years old that are doing it.

64% of TV Households Have a Live Pay-TV Service - Leichtman Research Group

Durham, NH — October 4, 2023 — New consumer research from Leichtman Research Group, Inc. (LRG) finds that 64% of TV households nationwide have some form of pay-TV service. The percentage of TV households that have a live pay-TV service (via cable, satellite, Telco, or Internet-delivered vMVPD)...
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Years ago, broadcast TV was free. The only people who had cable TV were those in unfavorable OTA reception areas and, rarely, those who wanted ad-free TV. Today, pretty much everyone pays for ad-riddled broadcast TV surcharges and cable provider ripoffs. Oh, for the old days with a TV antenna on every roof, a powerful transmitter within reception distance, and 5-6 channels of rubbish to watch!
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To be realistic, it's gotten expensive. And as far as the yewts are concerned, their attention is elsewhere and not on on live TV.

I still like live TV, especially sports, but instead of carrying a service all year round, I'm now only carrying a service (Hulu Live TV) from October-early June (football, hockey and indoor lacrosse season). And the first 3 months of that is at $20 off per month with the Hulu promo.

I've found I can live with free FAST TV (Pluto, Roku channels, others) and an OTA for locals during the summer and early Fall. Saving a nice chunk of money, keeping the TV bill manageable with a specific service and using the savings to salt away.

I think those of us who like live TV and find it becoming expensive year-round will target usage around personal interests and when those interests aren't there, dropping services to save the money.
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sktn77a said:
Years ago, broadcast TV was free. The only people who had cable TV were those in unfavorable OTA reception areas and, rarely, those who wanted ad-free TV. Today, pretty much everyone pays for ad-riddled broadcast TV surcharges and cable provider ripoffs. Oh, for the old days with a TV antenna on every roof, a powerful transmitter within reception distance, and 5-6 channels of rubbish to watch!
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I have my over the air antenna hooked up and I get all my locals free and can record them on my Tablo or my Tv Anywhere dvr for Sling tv. Paying $12.00 a month for free channels you could get ota like this used to piss me off.
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Bruce
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chuckster_dude said:
To be realistic, it's gotten expensive. And as far as the yewts are concerned, their attention is elsewhere and not on on live TV.
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With less and less new content, plus you can get that same content plus the streaming exclusives for a much less expensive price, it is a no brainer.
chuckster_dude said:
I still like live TV, especially sports, but instead of carrying a service all year round, I'm now only carrying a service (Hulu Live TV) from October-early June (football, hockey and indoor lacrosse season). And the first 3 months of that is at $20 off per month with the Hulu promo.
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My plan is September-January for College Football ( full streaming of that is 2 years away).

NHL I get with ESPN+ since Center Ice is included, so I can watch the Red Wings from back home.
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I've found I can live with free FAST TV (Pluto, Roku channels, others) and an OTA for locals during the summer and early Fall. Saving a nice chunk of money, keeping the TV bill manageable with a specific service and using the savings to salt away.
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I never watch those, so much new content available, no time for reruns.

But since the majority of content on Paid Live TV is reruns, yet those same reruns ( and more) are on the FAST Services for free, also makes it a no brainer.
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I think those of us who like live TV and find it becoming expensive year-round will target usage around personal interests and when those interests aren't there, dropping services to save the money.
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It is not that expensive if you pay attention to what content you want-

For example, once YTTV is gone, these are at the highest tier, no commercials, 4K, etc

Hulu Bundle with Disney/ESPN+-$25 (all Disney and former Fox Channels Content, ABC, FX, Nat Geo, etc)
Paramount w/Showtime-$11 ( all viacom content)
Peacock-$11 (all NBC/Universal channels content)
MAX-$20 (all Warner channels content, HBO, CNN, TBS, TNT, Cartoon Network, etc)

So $67 for the majority of what is on Live TV plus the exclusives, basically $6 less then YTTV without Showtime/HBO.

The only extra is Netflix, at $20, which brings it to $87, still less then the Entertainment Pack from DirecTV without HBO, Showtime and Netflix.

Plus you still can get Live Feeds
CBS
NBC
Hallmark ( yech)
Showtime
CNN
a lot of sports, both from ESPN+ (NFL, MLB, NHL, College Football/Basketball) / Warner (MLB, Hockey and Basketball)
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Bruce said:
It is not that expensive if you pay attention to what content you want-

For example, once YTTV is gone, these are at the highest tier, no commercials, 4K, etc

Hulu Bundle with Disney/ESPN+-$25 (all Disney and former Fox Channels Content, ABC, FX, Nat Geo, etc)
Paramount w/Showtime-$11 ( all viacom content)
Peacock-$11 (all NBC/Universal channels content)
MAX-$20 (all Warner channels content, HBO, CNN, TBS, TNT, Cartoon Network, etc)

So $67 for the majority of what is on Live TV plus the exclusives, basically $6 less then YTTV without Showtime/HBO.

The only extra is Netflix, at $20, which brings it to $87, still less then the Entertainment Pack from DirecTV without HBO, Showtime and Netflix.

Plus you still can get Live Feeds
CBS
NBC
Hallmark ( yech)
Showtime
CNN
a lot of sports, both from ESPN+ (NFL, MLB, NHL, College Football/Basketball) / Warner (MLB, Hockey and Basketball)
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Just my perspective, but this makes streaming look a lot more like traditional cable than it used to. My expectation is price increases over the next few years will make commecial-free (where possible) streaming will end up costing as much as having cable with all the equipment and other fees. Reading is looking more and more attractive all the time.
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ncted said:
Just my perspective, but this makes streaming look a lot more like traditional cable than it used to.
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I agree, but I was just focusing on the price, how it is much less for tons more content.


ncted said:
My expectation is price increases over the next few years will make commecial-free (where possible) streaming will end up costing as much as having cable with all the equipment and other fees.
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As long as Cable/Satellite keeps raising the price ( now twice a year, Comcast, Charter and DirecTV all did it this year), there should be a big difference.

For example, DirecTV's total of two increases was $10-20 this year, depending on package and RSN fees, streaming average increases for each service is usually $1-2 a year, add all the streaming services increases together , Cable/Satellite's are still equal to more.

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Reading is looking more and more attractive all the time.
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Since I grew up in the 70/80's, used to do a lot of reading , was a latch key child, had to do something because there was nothing on Television back then, except for the weekends.
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Dish Offers

Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
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This is what I see when it comes to offers on My Account on the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com:

AMC+ 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
AMC+ Free for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)
AMC+ 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Cine y Entretenimie 50% off for 3 months

DOGTV 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

DISH Movie Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

DOGTV 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
DOGTV 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Gallery First Month Free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Heartland Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

Mexico y Mas 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

MGM+ $0.00/Month not saying how long (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Multi-Sport Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Netflix Standard with Ads, $7.99/month credit toward Netflix Standard with Ads ($.99) month with 24 month DISH commitment
(Only on My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Outdoor Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Paramount+ with SHOWTIME 50% off for three months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)
Paramount+ with SHOWTIME 2 months free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Playboy TV 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Republica Dominicana 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

STARZ 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
STARZ $1.99/month for 2 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

Sudamerica y Mas 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

UP Faith & Family 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
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bnewt said:
Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
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look again mine says free for 1 month
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slow_poke_pete said:
look again mine says free for 1 month
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Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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Almighty1 said:
Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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wonder why it says that
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slow_poke_pete said:
look again mine says free for 1 month
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You have a different offer that is free for a shorter timeframe which is different than the one that I and bnewt saw without defining the promotion period as I sent the question to DISH Care via Facebook Messenger and this is the response I got back 20 minutes ago.

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Am I the only one that hates what Dish did to their mobile app?

I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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Not alot of dish customers any more
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I'm not a big fan of the new layout, especially on my Apple TV. It used to look like the old Guide layout on the Hopper 3, but they changed parts of that, too.
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I really dislike change for the sake of change
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I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.
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New Apple TV 4K released, plus other Apple Home devices.

Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
www.apple.com

Apple TV 4K

Apple TV 4K. New Siri AI and hands-free control. Stunning picture and immersive HomePod surround sound. Works with your Apple and smart home devices.
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Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.


Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.


It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
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It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
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Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
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Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
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navychop said:
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
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Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
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Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
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they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
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slow_poke_pete said:
ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade
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No. Makes me wonder if that is Apple or the carrier. I am on pre-paid, so I never get "an upgrade." I still have my old iPhone 11 Pro as a second line, and it runs iOS 27 just fine. My iPhone Air, which is still a current model, doesn't really seem that much faster in regular use. It is better in other ways, and worse in some ways than the 11 Pro (size), but performance really isn't a big differentiator, especially since I replaced the battery in the 11 Pro. If I had gotten enough storage when I originally bought the 11 Pro, it could still be my primary device with no issues.
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Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
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Yeah, they boot up a bit slower than Roku, but the OS does a lot more, so it makes sense. How often are you booting them up that is a differentiator? Aside from OS updates, mine are on all the time. I will say the ATV4K is generally quicker than the Roku Ultras I have, when it comes to launching apps and responsiveness, not that the Roku is sluggish.
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apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
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What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones
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This Week in Space 232

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Edq2eavsQ


Direct YouTube Link - This Week in Space 232
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Tim Cook, Elton John & King Charles: A Royal Tech Event

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oRVxjGm0qtE


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Watch the New Tesla Roadster Jump, Fly and Barrel-Roll in Mid-Air!

Time for another AWESOME video from TFL Electric Vehicles!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyF_RH1m0mc


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The Apple HomeView

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Frisco King - Paramount Plus


View: https://youtu.be/RHYQYYm5jLM?is=cwxm9t1efsWNl6yy


December 18, 2026 Paramount plus
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View: https://youtu.be/RHYQYYm5jLM?is=cwxm9t1efsWNl6yy


December 18, 2026 Paramount plus
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
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But.....if you like Tulsa King....looks like you would probably like this as well. I don't mind spin-offs as long as they don't involve a sassy niece who moves from the big city :rolleyes:
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NCIS

Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Tony as the director.🙄
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Howard Simmons said:
Tony as the director.🙄
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
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Howard Simmons said:
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
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I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
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Trailer for new Jim Caviezel movie Ghost Soldier

Might be worth a watch when it comes out. Looks like typical big corp against the little guy movie BUT....there is a reason this plot type is so oft repeated, it draws audiences.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-f9OGsKHd4
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BTW, I noticed right after I posted this that someone else had already mentioned it....sorry for the duplicate thread. Still looking forward to seeing the movie.
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