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Bruce
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Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Netflix total subscribers reached 247.15 million, with a gain of 8.76 million.

Who was it that predicted that stopping password sharing would be bad for Netflix?

Since they stopped it, they have gained over 14 Million Subscribers.

For comparison, Disney+ has almost 150 Million Subscribers worldwide.

HBO/MAX has 96 Million worldwide.

By the way there is , estimated, 1.6 Billion Households in the world, that means 15% of the entire world subscribe to Netflix.

In the United States, out of 130 Million Households, 60% subscribe to Netflix, 38% to HBO/MAX ( linear TV and streaming) , 46% for Disney+

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Bruce
Please, from your link-Using survey data of more than 19,000 adult Americans, MoffettNathanson found a majority of people who share accounts now have a negative view of Netflix.

So basically, a bunch of people who were, basically, stealing service, are angry.

Providing/making entertainment is not free, it costs a lot of money, not just actors/writers/directors, those who build the sets, makes the costumes, craft services, union workers, all being paid normal wages, if everyone steals ( password shares) then they do not get paid.
Jimbo
Please, from your link-Using survey data of more than 19,000 adult Americans, MoffettNathanson found a majority of people who share accounts now have a negative view of Netflix.

So basically, a bunch of people who were, basically, stealing service, are angry.

Providing/making entertainment is not free, it costs a lot of money, not just actors/writers/directors, those who build the sets, makes the costumes, craft services, union workers, all being paid normal wages, if everyone steals ( password shares) then they do not get paid.
Ok, so when is too much ???
When they raise thier price to $30 p/m, $50 p/m, $75 ????????

Not me, I'm not paying much more than I already am ....
I don't need addl programming that much ....
Netflix is a Luxury, not a necessity ... as is all other Streaming.
Bruce
Ok, so when is too much ???
When they raise thier price to $30 p/m, $50 p/m, $75 ????????

Not me, I'm not paying much more than I already am ....
I don't need addl programming that much ....
Netflix is a Luxury, not a necessity ... as is all other Streaming.
Yet you do not complain this much about DirectTV raising the price on you twice in one year, for even less new content and a extremely higher price.

Did you not say you never watch the RSN, but yet you pay that S13.99-15.99 extra fee every month.

I choose to fight back, tired of paying for stuff I never watch, how they charge you will never change if you just accept it, if I find a service not worth it to me, I will drop.

I already did that with AMC+, gone, Peacock is next after the Football Season, YTTV also, but will probably be back in September, since the rest of College Football Streaming will not start until the 2025 Season.
Jimbo
Yet you do not complain this much about DirectTV raising the price on you twice in one year, for even less new content and a extremely higher price.

Did you not say you never watch the RSN, but yet you pay that S13.99-15.99 extra fee every month.

I choose to fight back, tired of paying for stuff I never watch, how they charge you will never change if you just accept it, if I find a service not worth it to me, I will drop.

I already did that with AMC+, gone, Peacock is next after the Football Season, YTTV also, but will probably be back in September, since the rest of College Football Streaming will not start until the 2025 Season.
Directv raised prices in Jan/Feb, like always (Do I Like it, NO)
I can't get to my D* account bill at the moment ... if my bill has gone up, theres nothing I can do about it .
I've already paid D* for the year so I really don't see the bill or at least pay much attention.

You mention, I get even less content, same as every one else ... writers strike effected Everyone, not just D* subs.

As for the RSN fee, I'm NOT happy about that ... here again, no choice, I go down to the package without it, I lose my company discount.

Theres the difference, you find something not to your liking, you drop it ....
I never said I didn't like D*.

I like D* very well, has a Great picture (Top Priority)
All the channels I need (with the exception to NFL ST) which I have had since probably around 2004 ish every year.

the rest of College Football Streaming will not start until the 2025 Season.
What are you saying here ?
All college football is going Streaming in 2025 ????
When did THAT info come out ?

College Football will still be on the OTA as well as any other channels as well as possibly streaming by then.
meStevo
Ok, so when is too much ???
When they raise thier price to $30 p/m, $50 p/m, $75 ????????

Not me, I'm not paying much more than I already am ....
I don't need addl programming that much ....
Netflix is a Luxury, not a necessity ... as is all other Streaming.

It's too much when it's too much. That's different for everyone. If the value proposition exceeds what I'm willing to pay for it, I unsubscribe. No big deal.

It's on them to make it worth it for me to continue subscribing.
Directv raised prices in Jan/Feb, like always

And now again next month.
As is pretty much any form of tv.
Ding ding ding.
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Jimbo
It's too much when it's too much. That's different for everyone. If the value proposition exceeds what I'm willing to pay for it, I unsubscribe. No big deal.

It's on them to make it worth it for me to continue subscribing.


And now again next month.

Ding ding ding.
I don't think so ....
I'm gonna say D* is Not going to raise prices in Jan/Feb this time, seeing they just raised them this/last month.
Bruce
What are you saying here ?
All college football is going Streaming in 2025 ????
When did THAT info come out ?
ESPN is planning late 2024, early 2025 to go streaming, have heard they plan on having the contract issues with who handles the College Football Playoffs negotiations.done by then for streaming rights.

Also, when they expand them (College Playoffs), they might want to spread them around outher services, want to do a NFL model to maximize the money, for example one year the Championship Game will be on ESPN, the next year, Amazon?, etc.

The Playoff (Bowl) Games will be on different services/Channels also, much like how it used to be.

Have heard both Amazon and Google are sniffing around on that, along with ESPN.

Since we are on the subject, NBA really wants $6 Billion with the next rights deal, that is double what they get now from Warner and ESPN/ABC, both are balking at the increase, rumor is Apple really wants it, I wonder, everytime a big deal is about to come up, Apple is always mentioned.

Fox Sports is also trying to do something by the 2025 Season, because by then, they will have lost another 15 Million per sub fees from Live TV Providers.
College Football will still be on the OTA as well as any other channels as well as possibly streaming by then.
Except for the exclusive streaming only games, which we have had already this year, for example, the first Michigan game was Peacock only.

Anyways, by 2025, if everything works out, the plan is have all the OTA and Canle Channels Games streaming also, but the exclusive streaming games will not be on OTA or Cable Channels.
Bruce
I don't think so ....
I'm gonna say D* is Not going to raise prices in Jan/Feb this time, seeing they just raised them this/last month.
Comcast and Charter both do it twice a year ( and have been for two years now, every six months), there is no reason why DirecTV will not do the same.

Not January, maybe April/November, exactly 6 months apart and six months from next month.

Since AT&T wants to be rid of it next year, might want to maximize income coming in, to look more attractive to a potential buyer.
Jimbo
ESPN is planning late 2024, early 2025 to go streaming, have heard they plan on having the contract issues with who handles the College Football Playoffs negotiations.done by then for streaming rights.

Also, when they expand them (College Playoffs), they might want to spread them around outher services, want to do a NFL model to maximize the money, for example one year the Championship Game will be on ESPN, the next year, Amazon?, etc.

The Playoff (Bowl) Games will be on different services/Channels also, much like how it used to be.

Have heard both Amazon and Google are sniffing around on that, along with ESPN.

Since we are on the subject, NBA really wants $6 Billion with the next rights deal, that is double what they get now from Warner and ESPN/ABC, both are balking at the increase, rumor is Apple really wants it, I wonder, everytime a big deal is about to come up, Apple is always mentioned.

Fox Sports is also trying to do something by the 2025 Season, because by then, they will have lost another 15 Million per sub fees from Live TV Providers.

Except for the exclusive streaming only games, which we have had already this year, for example, the first Michigan game was Peacock only.

Anyways, by 2025, if everything works out, the plan is have all the OTA and Canle Channels Games streaming also, but the exclusive streaming games will not be on OTA or Cable Channels.
Oh, your talking the Playoffs ... thats more practical.

I don't think you'll see all that many Streaming Only games ....

You mention that Michigan first game was Streaming only, however that 1 game is the Only game it will be Streaming Only.
Which I think May be the norm for awhile ... 1 game a year for the Big Boys ....
Fwiw, I think I heard that Purdue has had 3-4 game on Streaming so far ... they can get away with that for the lower level teams I guess.

When the OSU / Mich game is on Streaming Only, there will be so much back lash that they will decide Not to do it ....
Jimbo
Comcast and Charter both do it twice a year ( and have been for two years now, every six months), there is no reason why DirecTV will not do the same.

Not January, maybe April/November, exactly 6 months apart and six months from next month.

Since AT&T wants to be rid of it next year, might want to maximize income coming in, to look more attractive to a potential buyer.
Thats a sure way to piss off all your subs, regardless of provider ....

D* IF they do go twice a year it will be because Others have and Gotten away with it.
Bruce
Thats a sure way to piss off all your subs, regardless of provider ....
Might be one of the reasons Comcast is now losing 500,000-600,000 subs every quarter.
D* IF they do go twice a year it will be because Others have and Gotten away with it.
Since it was revealed that DirecTV's profits were down another $800 Million in the first 6 Months this year and that they want to sell, they need someone that wants and can afford them, Dish wants but cannot afford.

So, they have to made Profits seem better, to create more wants to buy.
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Bobby
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
This thread is a place to discuss the 4K events that appear on channel 540. We are getting, at this point, one college football game a week. Let's hope there is more coming.
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jsmit86
Regarding the no sound bug when watching 4K HDR events or DVR recordings with Dolby set to ON:
I got rolled back to H708 last night after getting an email from the support team. It fixed the bug.

The email indicated that they believed they found the issue, and if the fix works, they would roll it out via an update in the coming weeks.

So... we should see that bug exterminated in the near future.
long_time_Dish
148-04 says the NASCAR race on at noon on Sunday. Be interesting to see if it is.
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MLB, Brewers at Dodgers, Thursday 10-15, 6PM PDT, Channel 148-02.
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MLB, Brewers at Dodgers, Thursday 10-15, 6PM PDT, Channel 148-02.
CFB, Notre Dame at BYU, Saturday 10-27, 4:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.
CFB, Ohio State at Indiana, Saturday 10-17, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Arizona State at Texas Tech, Saturday 10-17, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything like those events in our Hopper 3 guide for tonight or Saturday.🙁

I went into the Tools menu and requested a Guide Update. I'll try looking at it after the update completes.

edit — I now have the 148-01 4KFox events for Saturday, but not anything for 148-02 or 148-03 which don't even show as available channels. I do have 148-04 4KUSA.
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Bobby
Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything like those events in our Hopper 3 guide for tonight or Saturday.🙁

I went into the Tools menu and requested a Guide Update. I'll try looking at it after the update completes.

edit — I now have the 148-01 4KFox events for Saturday, but not anything for 148-02 or 148-03 which don't even show as available channels. I do have 148-04 4KUSA.
As I recall you have the Flex package. Do you sub to multisport? -02 is FS1 and -03 is ESPN. -01 is Fox so you would get that if you sub to locals.
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Bobby
As I recall you have the Flex package. Do you sub to multisport? -02 is FS1 and -03 is ESPN. -01 is Fox so you would get that if you sub to locals.
As an edit, you need to sub to the National Action Pack at $12 a month to receive those channels.
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Foxbat
Supporting Founder Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
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Ronnie-
Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.


Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.


It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
navychop
I've saved a boatload of money!
navychop
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
Foxbat
The only thing I can see that is compelling is the AV1 decoding done in the A19's hardware instead of the current ATV4K's processor.
navychop
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
KAB
KAB
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
Not a bit. IMO, apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only stick I with the Apple tv's is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is not worth sticking with it. Later, Apple!
Gary Toma
Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum
The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
​
National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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K
Now testing on the stream server:
WJBF-D2 CW Augusta GA
KSVI-D2 CW Billings MT
WETM-D2 CW Elmira NY
WJET-D2 CW Erie PA
KLFY-D2 CW Lafayette LA
KARD-D2 CW Monroe LA
WVBT-D2 CW Norfolk VA
WTWO-D2 CW Terre Haute IN
WFXV-D2 CW Utica NY
KFDX-D3 CW Wichita Falls TX
K
PISTONS and THUNDER are finally testing on the stream server. PISTONS is showing the Ion/Scripps Sports promo loop filler that their NHL and WNBA feeds have, THUNDER has a "You are watching Thunder+" slate

The Clippers still haven't officially announced their TV plans beyond 10 simulcasts on KTLA, but the NBA's FAQ for ClipperVision is now live. The CLIPPERS feed is currently showing a loop of their Hawaii preseason game.

The Heat still haven't announced their West Palm Beach or Fort Myers affiliates. Since WPLG is streaming the games for free via their app, I doubt we'll be seeing the return of WPLG on stream.

So far nothing testing for the Bucks, Magic, Hawks or Hornets.
D
Weekly Analysis for 10/14/2026:
K
NBA League Pass prep

Some more reshuffles
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The Clippers still haven't officially announced their TV plans beyond 10 simulcasts on KTLA, but the NBA's FAQ for ClipperVision is now live. The CLIPPERS feed is currently showing a loop of their Hawaii preseason game.
They finally announced ClipperVision, it will be on DIRECTV, but they didn't provide a channel number yet.

EDIT: It's going to be on channel 693
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WETM-D2 CW Elmira NY
WJET-D2 CW Erie PA
KLFY-D2 CW Lafayette LA
KARD-D2 CW Monroe LA
WVBT-D2 CW Norfolk VA
WTWO-D2 CW Terre Haute IN
WFXV-D2 CW Utica NY
KFDX-D3 CW Wichita Falls TX
These are now live on stream and weren't testing on satellite as of yesterday:
WETM-DT/19 CW Elmira
WJET-DT/25 CW Erie
KLFY-DT/11 CW Lafayette LA
KARD-DT/15 CW Monroe
WVBT-DT/44 CW Norfolk
WTWO-DT/3 CW Terre Haute
WFXV-DT/34 CW Utica
KFDX-DT/4 CW Wichita Falls
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The Heat still haven't announced their West Palm Beach or Fort Myers affiliates. Since WPLG is streaming the games for free via their app, I doubt we'll be seeing the return of WPLG on stream.
West Palm Beach is getting it on WTCN-CD/43 MNT. Still nothing for Fort Myers


Also, the Thunder's deal for KSBI/52 OKC and KQCW/19 Tulsa will be via a special cable and DIRECTV only feed of those stations. OTA viewers and Dish customers will be limited to 10 games.
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dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in TV Shows
Hard getting used to the new younger Gibbs, Mark Harmons son had the right look but I understand he didn't want the role.
Still I'm enjoying, pretty good job with Franks.
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dfergie
Really good one with OG Gibbs bookending it...
R
Really good one with OG Gibbs bookending it...
Will the OG Gibbs be on NCIS or will Tony be on NCIS Origins?
dfergie
Tony was there at the end of the episode with Gibbs.
R
Tony was there at the end of the episode with Gibbs.
I saw Gibbs walk into the door, but I did not see Tony.
Anony55
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.

They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.

Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.

On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.

It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.

I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
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Nebugeater
Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
Former member 208119
lovin my hopper 3 and my wireless joey i can roll the tv all over the house if i wanted to :oops: 🤔
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Former member 208119
Class action.
a hopper 3 with 6 firesticks and or if you wanna spend even more money apple tv's
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Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.
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Nebugeater
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.


Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
Anony55
Well, after nine months of being on pause, I finally figured out that I was wasting $5 a month. So I cancelled. For the first time since 2010, I no longer have a Dish account.

I do have to say that I did appreciate the account pause option. That just gives a person some time to see what the fallout of cancelling will be... without having to go all the way over the cliff first.

Since I never once had an "oh shoot, I need Dish Network for..." moment, the decision was a lot easier.

Funny enough, when I called to cancel (for real, not playing the pricing game), all of a sudden, they were offering me deals that I was told before that I couldn't get without changing out my VIP211k. Now, I could have had those specials with them just sending me a new card for the receiver. LOL!

Of course, my mind was already made up because of having not missed the service while on pause. That, and the fact that I bet the 211k still kills recordings.

All in all, I'm glad that I had Dish for all those years. I just outgrew the need, and they pressed the issue by deleting recordings. I would have eventually went this route without the deleted recordings issue. But, for sure, that did hasten the outcome.

I'll still pop in at this site from time to time. Believe it or not, I still have a C/Ku BUD that I intend on playing with again if life ever slows down.
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Rock and Roll Ain't Noise Pollution - AC/DC
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Kiss - The Art Of Noise
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Beautiful Noise - Neil Diamond
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White Noise - Jessie Baylin
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White Rabbit - Jefferson Airplane
Ramy
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
osu1991
AZ.
AZ.
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
Jimbo
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
This will be a SAD DAY when this passes ....

They complained the last year that we had a bunch of Blow Outs in the Playoffs ... heres an idea, lets Double the amount of teams and hope for Closer games ... ya right.

This never should have went past 8 teams, 10 at the most.

Now, I have heard that play in games are being talked about, such as #13 plays #24 and so forth, to cut the field down (why cut it down, just don't expand it.)
I'm not sure exactly how thats going to work out or if it was just someone talking.

They were also talking about starting the Season earlier ...

I really don't like the National Championship game being the end of January ... if the Semi Finals are over New Years, thats fine with the Championship game the next week.
Jimbo
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...