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FIOS coming to apartments in Pinellas County:

I've just got word sometime in the first half of 2006 Verizon will be starting a massive push in central Pinellas County for apartment complexes. I've been told that Verizon has just got done testing and will soon place an order for apartment specific ONT units. The ONTs can be connected to all the existing phone and coax cabling. Because of how hard it would be for each specific apartment to get an ethernet drop they would be offering the high speed internet service using the phone cables and VDSL2. Video TV will be FIOS TV with the same exact features. The ONT boxes can also allow another service provider to continue service for specific customers so that a complex would be more likely to allow Verizon to install the ONTs if the owners don't have to worry about getting ride of the provider in place. If a customer wants TV service with Verizon a Verizon tech can unlug the coax feed that serves that customer and plug it into the ONT.

They will be pushing with the big apartment complexes that have many actually apartments and my contact said that your best bet to get FIOS services in your complex is to inform the management of the benefits of allowing FIOS TV and what is involved in installing FIOS TV in their complex. Verizon will be making a point that they don't need access to each apartment unit because they only need access to what is in place and can be gain entrance from a manager and not a resident. The only wiring will be replacing the fiber underground from the poles on the street to the buildings themselves. Again you must push your complex to call Verizon and tell Verizon you want FIOS service in your complex. Also Verizon will install everything free of charge so the owners won't have to pay anything all they must do is give them access to the grounds.

Also the central areas of Pinellas County will mainly include these cities to start with. St. Petersburg, Clearwater, Pinellas Park, Largo and Seminole. They at some point will move on towards Tarpon Springs and Dunedin as well. Now they will be installing based on Centrol Offices so if your actual house is served by this centrol office you will get fiber along with the apartments that will be installed with fiber. Now the central offices with the most apartments served by it will be done first and they will move from most to least. So if you have tons of apartments around your house your more likely to get FIOS services at the start. Because Verizon must wait until the no compete clause runs out with Knology they will have the MDU ONTs ready by that time so they feel its best to start this way.

I'm also hearing that the cost per ONT for a single house is about 400 bucks. Now the cost for this new MDU ONT will be about 2 grand. So if each of these MDU ONTs can service 16 units they can wire 16 customers for 2 grand or one customer for 400 bucks so sadly I think you can see why their focus will be on apartments. Its cheaper per unit, quicker per customer and apartment customers are more likely to by FIOS services in droves compared to a street of 25 houses. Its all about money but again if you can wire 16 people with an apartment in the same time it takes to wire one person at a house well you can see this as well.
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cdru said:
Care to say who your source is? This is the first recent hint that MDU installations like this would be happening. Nothing had been posted recently that I could find over at DSLR so it is a bit of new news if indeed it happens. It also goes against some of the reports from earlier this year that said MDU applications wouldn't be VDSL based for data.

And I wouldn't expect apartments to be a pushover for installations. Management companies know that they are sitting on a densely populated potential revenue stream and that they have some additional powers as to what gets hooked up to their buildings unlike what a homeowner might have. Expect apartment complex management to negotiate a cut of the FIOS pie in order for Verizon to get permission for installation.

You should know I can't tell you my source. Also you wouldn't hear about it yet because they haven't said what the plans are. They still have a little more testing they need to complete so that is a big reason why they haven't made this public yet. They will be using VDSL because they have finally understood that installing an ethernet jack in apartments will be very hard. Now using VDSL over an MDU ONT would give every customer in the building access to just one internet account which is why you will see a customer needing to use PPPoE which will require both a user name and password to sign onto the internet. Now because they give out routers to current FIOS customers they will have no problems entering in the password into the customers router so that the computers connected to it will be always on.

You also must understand that Verizon has never said they wouldn't use VDSL. What they did say was that they weren't going to offer FTTC/VDSL like SBC is doing for example. So that is what Verizon has said.

Verizon has also said that they don't have an ONT for apartments (which is correct at that time and even today) but they also never said that they would never get one nor that they weren't working to get one. Both Motorola and another company I can't think off right now have working MDU ONT models with most severe bugs worked out and I've been lucky to see them in action at a test site so yes they do exist and they do work. They still have a little work left but they will be ready by years end but getting production and shipments will take another few months. Because this is so new Verizon will be testing this hardware in the real world in real apartments that they will be selection. If everything works as expected and I think it will Verizon will report this to the maker of the ONT so they can start massive production. If we do have a few major bugs they can be fixed before mass production.

I expect delays and most apartment customers won't actually start getting installed on a mass national level until late 2006 to early 2007 but its coming and it will be Verizons main focus for the short term that is for sure.

Both apartment owners and Verizon have quite a bit of money to make and quite a bit of customers to take from the local cable companies.
cdru
I wasn't saying that they weren't doing it, just that I hadn't seen anything about it. It was news to me at the least.

And I think the other company's name you were looking for is AFC: MDU PDF
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cdru said:
I wasn't saying that they weren't doing it, just that I hadn't seen anything about it. It was news to me at the least.

And I think the other company's name you were looking for is AFC: MDU PDF

They aren't looking at AFC products. They are looking at Motorola as I said before. The other company that I couldn't remember is called TeLLabs.

I just for the heck of it did a google search for Verizon tellweb MDU and I got very lucky and found a press release that states everything I just said expect the specific Pinellas County rollout information.

http://telephonyonline.com/mag/telecom_verizons_fttp_movin/
rtt2
AFC was aquired by Tellabs. So now they are one in the same
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rtt2 said:
AFC was aquired by Tellabs. So now they are one in the same

Thanks for the heads up. You can see I don't follow this stuff that much.
dfergie
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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dfergie
$4.04 most places, Diesel $5.85...
Bobby
Regular$5.459​
Premium$5.899​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
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Billboard along I-10 had reg at $3.81 and diesel at $5.54
Bobby
Regular$5.399​
Premium$5.899​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
osu1991
$3.55
Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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To Know Him Is To Love Him - The Teddy Bears
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Really Wanna Know You - Gary Wright
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Don't WANNA KNOW-Maroon 5
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I Want to Know What Love Is - Foreigner
Bobby
Oh What A Night For Dancing - Barry White
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https://www.directv.com/insider/mysports-changes-the-game/
https://streamtv.directv.com/mysports/ (You might have to logout or open a private window to see the details)
As of now this is only available for streaming customers in select markets. Existing streaming customers can switch to it for $69.99, but they are not eligible for the $20 off for 3 months discount. More genre-specific packages will launch during the first half of the year.


At launch, MySports includes 40 sports and broadcast channels and is initially available in 24 metro areas, including New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia, San Francisco Bay Area, and others. Click here for more information and the list of initial launch markets. The availability of MySports will expand into additional markets as DIRECTV adds more local stations to the package.

The streamlined MySports package includes national and local channels in select markets, as well as live news channels.

National sports channels immediately available through MySports include ACC Network, Big Ten Network, DIRECTV 4K Live, DIRECTV 4K Live 2, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNews, ESPNU, Fox Sports 1, Fox Sports 2, Golf Channel, MLB Network, NBA TV, NFL Network, NHL Network, SEC Network, TBS, TNT, TruTV and USA Network. Local channels will initially include any stations owned and operated by ABC, FOX, and NBC, with additional stations coming online soon.

Additional networks, local stations and ESPN+, will be included in MySports at no extra cost in the near future.

Consumers who sign up online for the contract-free package before Feb. 28, 2025, can receive MySports for $49.99 monthly for the first three months, a $20 monthly savings. After the free trial, it auto-renews monthly, and consumers can cancel anytime.
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K
They recently split the news channels off of MySports, so CNBC, CNN, FBN, FNC and MSNOW are no longer part of it.

MySports was decreased to $64.99, and a new "MySports+MyNews Duo" pack is $79.99, which will also give you Bloomberg, CNBC World, CNNI, the C-SPANs, i24 and Newsmax.

Tennis Channel also joined MySports at some point over the past year.
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They recently split the news channels off of MySports, so CNBC, CNN, FBN, FNC and MSNOW are no longer part of it.

MySports was decreased to $64.99, and a new "MySports+MyNews Duo" pack is $79.99, which will also give you Bloomberg, CNBC World, CNNI, the C-SPANs, i24 and Newsmax.

Tennis Channel also joined MySports at some point over the past year.
AMC+ now included in MyEntertainment Pack. I guess we know why the $8 price increase.
K
Here's the Insider article. Shudder is now part of MyCinema and Fanatiz1 was added to the Spanish packages last Friday. PX Sports was also added a few weeks ago.

It's not just AMC+ driving the price increases on the genre packs, the rest of the AMC Networks (AMC, WE, IFC, Sundance, BBC America), along with Paramount/CBS, Hallmark, Weigel and others joined since they debuted last year.
K
MySports now has some CW affiliates, and MyNews now has some CW affiliates and the MyNetworkTV O&Os.

At quick check, it looks like the CBS and Sinclair owned CW affiliates are missing.
C
MySports now has some CW affiliates, and MyNews now has some CW affiliates and the MyNetworkTV O&Os.

At quick check, it looks like the CBS and Sinclair owned CW affiliates are missing.
No Hearst owned CW in Orlando
osu1991
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club

The number-one US state for EV growth, according to the June 22 Yardi report?
Oklahoma.


:eek


It has no ZEV mandates and "minimal" incentives, Yardi says, but also has cheap electricity, high multi-car household rates (so, for example, a non-Lightning Ford F-150 pulls their trailers), and a consumer base willing to switch.
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osu1991

The Cybertruck was supposed to make the F-150 obsolete. It wasn't supposed to be boring, like a Ford or a Chevy. It was supposed to be "more truck than truck." It turns out, people just wanted trucks that were trucks, and CEO Elon Musk announced on X earlier this morning is that the Cybertruck is dying.


Ending production in middle of next year at gigatexas for cybercab production.
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dishstaller
IF they had made the cyber truck more like a conventional truck, more would have bought it. There is a REASON trucks all have a very similar layout....it's what people want AND it serves the purposes those of us who have a truck needs.
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There is a REASON trucks all have a very similar layout....it's what people want AND it serves the purposes those of us who have a truck needs.
As it is, most consumers buy trucks as comfortable transportation rather than commercial utility. The Cybertruck approach to that goal was way out in left field. It turned out to be more of an austere sedan with awful daily-driver attributes (visibility, parking). The expectations regarding truck durability were dashed early on.
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Neutron
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Does anyone here use Apple Home/HomeKit with HomePods or Apple TV to automate smart devices in their house? We have had Amazon's Alexa set up in our house for the last 10+ years and I have been waiting to switch them out to Apple for a few reasons; We are already in the Apple ecosystem with our phones, tablets, and computers. I have never liked Amazon's stance on privacy and I really like that Apple has pushed for privacy for a long time.

I bought 4 of the new HomePod Mini 2 speakers to go in various rooms in our house and we have one of the new Apple TVs on preorder that will be the start of me replacing our Rokus. I have the HomePod Mini 2s set up and have an RPi that is running HomeBridge for our legacy smart devices that worked natively with Alexa but don't work with Apple Home natively. I had trouble with the older smart bulbs not keeping the brightness or light color consistent with what our routines were with Alexa despite trying every setting in HomeBridge with the bulbs just not shining very bright. I ended up replacing them with updated versions that are Matter compatible so they work in Apple Home natively. That in and of itself has been interesting to set up because I have my home network segretated with the IoT devices on their own vlan and wifi and pretty locked down. Matter requires IPv6 and due to how my home network is designed I had to do some digging with AI to figure out how to make it all work correctly.

Apple Home definitely has some shortcomings that Alexa does much better with but I am hoping Apple will continue to improve their Home products and introduce features that will bring it closer to the functionality of Alexa.
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b4pjoe
I tried HomeKit to be able to see my Ring cameras on my Apple TV as they are not supported natively on Apple devices. The best I could get was to be able to view the cameras live but I could not view any recordings. After the last major update version of HomeKit I could not even view the live cameras anymore. I gave up on it after that. If I were going to do it again I would only buy devices that can work on Apple devices natively as HomeKit didn't work well at all for me.
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I tried HomeKit to be able to see my Ring cameras on my Apple TV as they are not supported natively on Apple devices. The best I could get was to be able to view the cameras live but I could not view any recordings. After the last major update version of HomeKit I could not even view the live cameras anymore. I gave up on it after that. If I were going to do it again I would only buy devices that can work on Apple devices natively as HomeKit didn't work well at all for me.
That's what I started doing after seeing legacy devices work hit or miss using the HomeBridge. At least Apple is following a standard now with Matter which is unusual for Apple. Looks like HomeBridge does allow you to see the live views but I haven't seen how to view past recordings. I'd really like to ditch Ring altogether due to their stance on privacy and if I had my choice I'd go with UniFi since that's what I use for my network and I like the idea of my camera recordings being all local and not in the cloud. UniFi doorbells and cameras are quite pricey though.

I'll try to access the Ring doorbells in Apple Home for now but I'll see if it's useful any.
Foxbat
I found that the IoT devices need to see the Apple TV to be able to use it as the HomeKit Hub. Unfortunately, that means being in the same IPv4 subnet.

I was thinking of getting a HomePod Mini for my Mother-in-Law to play music and set up HomeKit scenes, as well as make FaceTime Audio calls. When Apple announced their price rises due to RAMageddon, I kicked myself as they went up 50% in cost. I'll be curious to see the HomeView in person as this might not be a bad way to get her started on automation.

She asked about it because her friends have Alexa and they use it to control lights. But like you, I feel better putting in a HomePod or HomeView that's listening for commands instead of Amazon or Google.
b4pjoe
That's what I started doing after seeing legacy devices work hit or miss using the HomeBridge.
Homebridge is what I meant when I said HomeKit. Forgot the name of it.
harshness
I find that I don't interact with my home automation system (Hubitat Elevation) as much as I thought I would.

Apple made everything more expensive and less flexible with its "our way or the highway" approach. To be sure, a Homebridge server addresses some of the major deficiencies, but it seems like it will always be a battle to keep pasting things together.
b4pjoe
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Neutron
Another reason I'm glad we are swapping or Rokus out for Apple TVs. I was already planning on ditching the Rokus earlier this year and had been waiting on Apple to announce the new one last month. Our Rokus have had issues the last year or so with freezing video and reboots, and one with an HDCP issue randomly.
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Another reason I'm glad we are swapping or Rokus out for Apple TVs. I was already planning on ditching the Rokus earlier this year and had been waiting on Apple to announce the new one last month. Our Rokus have had issues the last year or so with freezing video and reboots, and one with an HDCP issue randomly.
Lol, I'm watching an Apple Tv ON my TCL Roku tv set... I use it as a client for my Channels DVR.
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TRG
Another reason I'm glad we are swapping or Rokus out for Apple TVs. I was already planning on ditching the Rokus earlier this year and had been waiting on Apple to announce the new one last month. Our Rokus have had issues the last year or so with freezing video and reboots, and one with an HDCP issue randomly.
Hmmm... I don't have any of those problems with my Roku devices. I have 3 of them.
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navychop
I suspect Fox will make me consider 2-3 more Apple TV STB purchases.
harshness
I suspect Fox will make me consider 2-3 more Apple TV STB purchases.
Until I can get a mortgage on an ATV, I doubt that's going to happen for me.

As much as the price has gone up, the complaints on the forums about this, that, and the other nits surrounding various limitations and Apple business decisions seem to be keeping pace.
Jimbo
Hmmm... I don't have any of those problems with my Roku devices. I have 3 of them.
I have the Roku's, 2 or 3, I just rarely use them ... I prefer the Google/Android Sony set up.

People tell me that the Apps on the TV will end thier usefulness as they age ... They are doing ok for me so far ... I also have the TV take the App Updates whenever possible ... then again, I don't know how often App updates come to it.

So, so far, I'm doing ok, but if they start to get sluggish, I'll eventually change to a Roku ... I don't want to, but eventually ... (Or buy another new TV :eeek:shh:clapping:biggrin
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After a strange reboot last night in the middle of viewing, this morning several more reboots and about a half an hour download.
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TheForce
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Last reply · posted in The Phone & Tablet Zone
Apple Fall Hardware Event takes place today, September 9, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. PT / 1:00 p.m. ET. It marks the debut of new CEO John Ternus and the expected reveal of Apple's first foldable phone.
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harshness
Gone are the days when Apple "perfects" what debuted years earlier on an Android phone.
comfortably_numb
Gone are the days when Apple "perfects" what debuted years earlier on an Android phone.

Or better yet, innovate something "completely revolutionary!"
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Or better yet, innovate something "completely revolutionary!"
when was the last time they innovated something:rolleyes:
Foxbat
when was the last time they innovated something:rolleyes:
I'd probably say when they came up with their M-series of processors with integrated memory. That allowed Apple to get away from the inefficient Intel CPUs that were limiting their notebook computers.
Foxbat
Well, Munro and Associates are now a go-to for mobile device teardowns! Who knew? They have an idea what may be causing the iPhone Duo's inside folding screen to fail 40% up from the bottom:
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samsung made the screen apple designed the hinge for the duo. this has got to be the best advertising campaign for samsung :biggrin :clapping :oops: