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Stuart Sweet
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Over the years, I've tried several times to explain the idea of decibels. You can read one of my favorite tries here. I know it's kind of a hard concept to understand. That's why when people ask me what a dB is, I just say it's a way to measure the strength of something. That's true, and it's also roughly all that people really seem to want to know.

Note: What follows isn't a scientific thesis. It's not designed to hold up to the sort of rigorous scrutiny as a peer-reviewed paper. As always, I've simplified things so that the average person can understand them. This pretty much means that your average retired RF engineer is going to want to poke holes in it.

Yeah but what you're measuring matters.


Most people are familiar with decibels as applied to audio. We call those dBa. This is a perfect example of how most people really understand (or don't understand) decibels. We know that more decibels means it's louder. In reality you're measuring the pressure exerted by the vibrations against the air, and a 3 decibel increase means a doubling of that pressure. It doesn't mean something is "twice as loud" because that's very hard to measure. It's very subjective.

When it comes to measuring the sensitivity of antennas, you'll generally see measurements in dBi or dBd. Both are perfectly valid and as long as you know which is being used, you're able to compare antennas.

dBd = "compared to a reference dipole."


That's right, dBd describes the amount of gain compared to something called a "reference dipole." This is a real thing, or at least it could be a real thing if you wanted to. A dipole is just another word for an antenna that's shaped like a T. (More about that here.)A reference dipole is a specific antenna that everyone agrees that you should measure against. That's all it is. It's just a thing that we all can use to compare antennas.

dBi = "compared to an isotropic radiator."


Now here's where it gets a little trippy. There's this idea of an antenna called an "isotropic radiator." That is an antenna that is capable of either broadcasting or receiving exactly the same amount of signal from all directions. Sort of like an Omni antenna, except totally perfect. The thing about isotropic radiators is, they don't exist. This is the real world. Nothing that perfect could exist. We could get close, but never so close that we'd have something functionally perfect.

Still, it's helpful to compare antennas to this mythically perfect antenna. It tells us how the antenna would perform in a lab and that's a good way of keeping everything equal.

Does it matter which one you use?


Most antennas I've seen use dBi. In truth it doesn't really matter. In fact you can convert from dBi to dBd very easily. There's a 2.15dB difference between them. In other words:

  • dBi = dBd + 2.15
  • dBd = dBi – 2.15

Why is this so hard?


Friends, I'm going to tell you the thing that no one else is willing to: it's more or less impossible to predict how an antenna is going to work at your house unless you're actually there. There are just too many variables. There's the wind, the weather, the amount of UV radiation, the things in between you and the tower, and half a dozen other things including pure random chance.

But, we can predict how an antenna is going to perform in a perfect environment. And it's very consistent. So we can say that such-and-such antenna is going to be more sensitive than so-and-so antenna in that environment. And in theory, that should translate out to your house too. An antenna that's more sensitive in a perfect world is also going to be more sensitive at your house. Does that mean it's for sure going to get the channel you want? It doesn't. But it certainly gives you a better chance.

How does this translate into the real world?


So far we've really talked a lot about testing environments and antennas that couldn't possibly exist. Believe it or not though, it's the best way of describing antenna performance. It's also the best possible way of measuring something. Believe me, because I measure a fair amount of antennas.

When I measure antennas, I don't have a set of reference dipoles. You'd need one for every frequency you want to measure, by the way. So even if I got 35 of them, which is what you'd need, I don't know where I'd store them. So I've created a measurement that does work here at the Solid Signal test facility and as long as all the antennas I measure are compared to that, it will tell me the same thing as if I had a reference dipole.

At one point, I sacrificed a perfectly good coaxial cable so that I could make a T-shaped dipole out of bare wire, exactly six feet long. Why six feet? It seemed like a good way to get all the frequencies I need, since some wavelengths are quite a bit longer and most are shorter. I took comprehensive measurements of that dipole, pointed precisely at the broadcast towers, on a sunny day when it was exactly 68 degrees. Why 68? Something about that being the "standard temperature" popped into my head and I think I learned that in chemistry class. It's also a temperature that I can achieve year round in Solid Signal's west coast labs. I try to test all my antennas at about the same temperature, on a sunny still day.

Earlier in this article I said that "dBd" is "a thing we can all use to compare antennas." And that's what my bare wire measurements are, too. Not perfect, but it's something.

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harshness
If it weren't for the units of measure and specialized terminology, anyone could do it. ;)
Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Lately my eight year old Dell laptop has been shutting off even when I have a full battery. I have had to keep it plugged up all the time to keep this from happening. Any idea what is causing this? I replaced the battery about three years ago.
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arlo
A recalibration might be needed. Even if it shows full, the individual cells may have become unbalaced. And the BMS chip in the battery reports false information to the pc.
Try this. Start it up in the bios/uefi and leave it there until the battery dies and it shuts off.
It might just keep running longer than in Windows. Or run for a short while and shut off.
If it's the first case. Probably just needs a balancing. If the latter, the pack might just be dead.
Not throwing stones but perhaps just a cheaply constructed battery with substandard cells. Could be.

Patience. Keep restarting it in bios/uefi until it won't fire up anymore.
Then plug the charger in and let it complete a full charge. And see what happens. If it's better.
Do the same thing one more time. Run it until it dies dead-dead. Then just let it charge, pc shut off.
When charged, it might be better. It might not be.

There are bench jigs that read the actual BMS and override it to let a tech manually monitor and charge the separate packs. They can also reset any "time bombs" in it that cause an otherwise good pack to show bad.
Maybe Santa will be good to me some year.

You might just need a new battery. Maybe the PC power management chip is going. A Dell common thing.
Leaving a laptop plugged in with a full battery is known to reduce the life. Asus for one recommends that you don't leave the charger plugged in all of the time even when shut down. And setting Windows to charge the battery to 85% instead of 100% increases life.
That's all I got.
dishstaller
That's all I got.
That was quite enough....I definitely learned something from your post. Thanks
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I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
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b4pjoe
I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
If you can't get into the router to reserve an IP address just don't use DHCP on the device that needs connected and assign it to a specific IP address in the network settings.
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I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
They are not. Your best bet is to set up a third-party router, attached to the Starlink for your server, that you can get into, like a Linksys, etc
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…it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
The Starlink V5 Install Kit I just got comes with the Mini Router. It is pretty limited in what it can do. For example, it can provide only one IP subnet at a time, no Guest Network, but it does support the pass-thru to a third-party Router. You can also split the Wi-Fi into separate 5 GHz & 2.4 GHz SSIDs to help some IoT devices that don't support 5 GHz bands to work.

The larger Starlink Router that still comes with the V4 Kit does support a Guest Network with separate IPv4 Subnet, but it's $120 from Starlink. And it still won't do DHCP Reservations.
harshness
If you can restrict the DHCP address space to assign addresses to one end of the subnet (i.e. x.x.x.50+), you can manually assign the IP address on pretty much any operating system. This is a default behavior on several popular routers. As the Router Mini only supports 235 devices, I expect that's already done.

Another option is to use a router that supports PoE to power the antenna. This article discusses that option (under PoE Power heading):

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Now that I've had the v5 kit with the Mini Router, it's not as bad as I first thought. Yes, no DHCP reservations, but you can set up multiple SSIDs that have separate IPv4 subnets, and like the big brother, you can select from 192.168.x.0/24 or 10.x.0.0/16 (where "x" is 1-4).

You can also split a subnet and have different SSIDs for the 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz channels to handle some IoT devices. I haven't discovered what subnet the 2nd NIC on the router assigns, I'm guessing it's the first subnet.
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Sorry for posting the wrong link. Just corrected it.
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Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

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Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

They will have to look at the switching sections to determine WHY 2 trains were on the same track ... at the same time.
dishstaller
Thought this article might be of interest to some of you who might travel via train.