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How does DPH work?

Also we haven't explained what block downconversion (the 'B' in LNBF) exactly is. An LNA (either standalone or as the front section of an LNB/F) simply amplifies the satellite signal without altering its frequencies. On early C-band systems, the LNA was connected to a downconverter, usually via a short length of large-dia. coax using the large 'N' connectors. Couldn't send the signal on regular coax or very far on any coax as it's the microwave-frequency sat signal. The downconverter was typically strapped to the dish pole or to the feed assembly (LNA & feedhorn) and controlled by the rx via wire to select individual xpdrs, which the downconverter then sent in to the rx on regular coax using a much lower-frequency "intermediate" (IF) carrier, typically 70 mhz (this could be called "single downconversion").

With block downconversion, all xpdrs are downconverted simultaneously to individual IFs (a "block" of frequencies), either with a standalone BDC connected to LNA or by using an LNB (which combines LNA and BDC). On C-band, either all 12 xpdrs as V (vertical polarization) would be sent in at once, with the rx then tuning the desired 1 of the 12, or if then selecting a ch. on an H (horizontal) polarization, the rx would command the feed to switch from V to H, and then the same 12 xpdrs as H-polarized would be sent in, on the same IF carriers, to pick from. The limitation was that any 2nd receiver in the home would only be able to select from odd #'d ch's if the 1st rx was on odd, or only even #'d ch's if the 1st was on even. And of course, comparing with DBS, you couldn't view from 2 different sat positions at once. Later C-band options included using a feed with 2 LNB's, one mounted horizontally and the other vertically, to allow for independent odd-even selection (but still limited to same sat).

When DBS came out it continued this same block downconversion for Single LNBFs, adding H/V switching by the device power (on the coax) being toggled between 13 and 18v. Dual LNBFs then allowed the use of added in-line switches to do the toggling to serve multiple rx's, but you had to run 4 coaxes in from the dish (for the initial 500, 2 for 300). The initial 500 Twin had built-in switching and still used 13/18 to switch. DP (DishPro) Twin (and Single) then "stacked" both the H & V signals into 2 differentiated blocks of IFs that all went down the coax together, so you could go straight from LNBF to 2 dual-tuner rx's with no switch in-line (just those HF splitters at the rx's). The freq. stacking resulted in higher-ranging IFs (intermediate block freq's) that sometimes exposed weaknesses in coax runs. DPP (DishPro Plus) merely added an input to the DP Twin/Triple that could combine in the output from a DP Single on a separate dish with no need for a combiner/switch. DP & DPP are exactly the same to rx's save for this added input connection.

Now somebody gets to explain how the DPH works, as I have no idea...
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Ok, I'll start. On another thread telstar_1 posted the above about the early days of LNA, LNBA, LNB, LNBF development progression. And at the end asking about how DPH works; I'd like to know that too. Can anyone give a detailed description on how DPH works?
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DPH (DISH Pro Hybrid) technology is a versatile satellite reception system that can switch between multiple DISH technologies depending on the receiver connected to it. Here are the key features:

Compatible Technologies:
  • DP (DISH Pro)
  • DPP (DISH Pro Plus)
  • DPX (DISH Pro Extreme)
  • DPZ (DISH Pro Zip)

Key Capabilities:
  • Supports band stacking (2 tuners) or FSK channel stacking (16 tuners)
  • When in DPZ mode, only port 1 outputs DPZ signal and port 2 is disabled
  • Internal switching capability that can be disabled when connected to external switches
  • Compatible with various receiver configurations:
    • 2 ViP Single tuners
    • 2 ViP Dual tuners
    • 2 Hopper 2000's or Hopper With Slings
    • 1 Hopper 3 (Port 2 turns off when connected)
    • Up to 8 Wallys in dual tuner mode with DPZ Channel Stack Splitters
    • Up to 16 Wallys in single tuner mode with DPZ Channel Stack Splitters
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HipKat said:
DPH (DISH Pro Hybrid) technology is a versatile satellite reception system that can switch between multiple DISH technologies depending on the receiver connected to it. Here are the key features:

Compatible Technologies:
  • DP (DISH Pro)
  • DPP (DISH Pro Plus)
  • DPX (DISH Pro Extreme)
  • DPZ (DISH Pro Zip)

Key Capabilities:
  • Supports band stacking (2 tuners) or FSK channel stacking (16 tuners)
  • When in DPZ mode, only port 1 outputs DPZ signal and port 2 is disabled
  • Internal switching capability that can be disabled when connected to external switches
  • Compatible with various receiver configurations:
    • 2 ViP Single tuners
    • 2 ViP Dual tuners
    • 2 Hopper 2000's or Hopper With Slings
    • 1 Hopper 3 (Port 2 turns off when connected)
    • Up to 8 Wallys in dual tuner mode with DPZ Channel Stack Splitters
    • Up to 16 Wallys in single tuner mode with DPZ Channel Stack Splitters
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I've not heard of DPX and DPZ before. Can you explain them in more detail please?
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RTCDude said:
I've not heard of DPX and DPZ before. Can you explain them in more detail please?
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This is what I found. The Frequency ranges are confusing to me since I thought ALL Hoppers use up 3000 Mhz

DPZ is older legacy equipment
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  • DPZ Frequency Range:
    • 500MHz - 2150MHz
    • Minimum 3GHz rated RG6 and components required from LNBF to Receiver
    • Note: Tight bends in cable reduces the frequency rating
  • Communication:
    • FSK
      • Includes all the advances from DiSEqC
      • A new protocol was needed for the channel stacking technology
        • Each CSS Channel is set to the desired satellite transponder
      • Support 16 tuners simultaneously over one cable for the Hopper 3
      • Only ZiP equipment is compatible with FSK
        • Dish Pro Hybrid LNBs are backwards compatible with DP/DPP/XiP receivers using DiSEqC
    • Channel Stack Switching
      • Full Transponders are split out (rather than odd and evens)
    • MoCA
      • MoCA stands for Multimedia over Coaxial Alliance and is the standard protocol for transmitting Internet data over coaxial wiring, or Ethernet over coax
      • Clients (Joeys) in DISH systems use data transmission instead of video signals to function
  • Tuners Supported Per Coax:
    • 18, 16 for receiver use
  • Diplexer Support:
    • None
    • Note: OTA and TV2 feeds cannot be diplexed on DPX systems as they run on the same frequencies as MoCA and will interfere with each other
  • Splitter Support:
    • Spitter use is designed to split Client feeds (MoCA)
    • Client feeds require at minimum 900MHz rated RG59
  • Channel Stack Splitter Support:
    • In commercial installations Channel Stack Splitter use is designed to split the CSS band for multiple receiver use
    • Up to 8 Wallys in dual tuner mode
    • Up to 16 Wallys in single tuner mode
    • Channel Stack feeds require at minimum 3GHz rated RG6
    • Note: a power inserter or switch is required
  • Check Switch:
    • 1-5 steps depending on equipment attached

DPX, I believe is the Hoppers
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  • DPX Frequency Range:
    • 650MHz - 30000MHz
    • Minimum 3GHz rated RG6 and components required from LNBF to Receiver
    • Note: Tight bends in cable reduces the frequency rating
  • Communication:
    • Two way
    • DiSEqC
      • Two way signals over the coaxial cable to select and control the appropriate satellite from the set-top box
        • This is the first protocol DISH used that allowed for two-way communication
        • It requires compatibility from both the receiver and the outdoor equipment
      • This allows the set top box to easily switch signals from one LNB to another LNB directly from the set-top box
      • Allows the receiver to determine what kind of switch gear is connected
      • Allows the switches and LNBs in the install to identify what they are and what satellite signal is being carried
    • Band Stacking
      • Three satellite frequency bands are created
      • Odd and even transponders share a frequency band
      • Each frequency band has two way communication
    • MoCA
      • MoCA stands for Multimedia over Coaxial Alliance and is the standard protocol for transmitting Internet data over coaxial wiring, or Ethernet over coax
      • Clients (Joeys) in DISH systems use data transmission instead of video signals to function
  • Tuners Supported Per Coax:
    • 3
  • Splitter Support:
    • Spitter use is designed to split Client feeds (MoCA)
    • Client feeds require at minimum 900MHz rated RG59
  • Diplexer Support:
    • None
    • Note: OTA and TV2 feeds cannot be diplexed on DPX systems as they run on the same frequencies as MoCA and will interfere with each other
  • Check Switch:
    • 1-5 steps depending on equipment attached
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All I can make of this is that they switched to a different stacking scheme (as above) for the hopper given its extended # of tuners, named it DPX, and then renamed or redesignated the (old) DP/DPP scheme as DPZ (evidently to distinguish from DPX). The DPX scheme operates by FSK (what's this?) switching under DiSEqC 2-way comms protocol.

Also they've designated a chunk of freq's for IP comms (MoCA) between set-top boxes, compatible both with DPX and the older DPZ.

What I make of this is that this hopper (DPX) system was designed not as much for systems versatility (support more tuners, etc.) as to keep a tight leash on cx's. They have to put a box at every set where they want to independently view, and those "client" boxes are tied to and communicate via IP with a hopper rx. A design to thwart "stacking" use of rx's by forcing all boxes to register systemic connection to one another to operate. But to my mind they could also have accomplished that by designing "whole house" rx's where you wouldn't need all of these "joeys" to begin with.

Also, and maybe a current dealer can chime in, this MoCA IP comms scheme has the "client" boxes receiving A/V from already-tuned ch's from a hopper and don't have any tuners themselves. They command the hopper as to which ch's to tune. Because MoCA takes up freq's used by broadcast this has further effect of knocking out the ability to diplex offair OR TV2 (again requiring another box rather than just using RF remote and not needing another box) over sat box coax, so you'd have to revert to running separate coax everywhere just for adding offair.

Buried within the callout for DPZ is this definition of DPH- new components (like LNBF) that work with current DPX as well as being "backward compatible" with "DP, DPP, XiP rx's using DiSEqC." OK, now what's an "XiP" rx? Or for that matter a DP rx? A 722 (ViP) doesn't need DP, it can run from an old original non-dp Twin over 2 coaxes. Would a "DP rx" be like one that can take a DP input directly for multi-tuner without having to split it for like the 2 inputs on 722/322? So with this XiP (as well as DP & DPP) rx's are we talking hopper-era only and not ViP?

Also I don't get how a single LNBF (this DPH) could be compatible with both DP and DPX given that the 2 use different bandstacking schemes that overlap one another.
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telstar_1 said:
The DPX scheme operates by FSK (what's this?)
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FSK stands for Frequency Shift Keying. This is where the carrier frequency is shifted slightly up or down to indicate a "bit" of information. This scheme is more immune radio propagation and fading issues than CW (Continuous Wave) transmissions where the carrier is turned on and off to denote "bit" information.

FSK was first used in wireless telegraph systems to denote the "dits" and "dahs" for Morse Code. FSK is now used routinely in wireless digital systems to indicate digital 1 and 0 "bits" of information. Some systems use multiple shift levels to "compress" information (say 8 shift levels for values 0 to 7) into the same bandwidth.

A similar scheme, PSK, changes the phase of carrier instead of the frequency, and can use multiple phase shift levels for similar compression.
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HipKat said:
This is what I found. The Frequency ranges are confusing to me since I thought ALL Hoppers use up 3000 Mhz

DPZ is older legacy equipment
View attachment 180834

  • DPZ Frequency Range:
    • 500MHz - 2150MHz
    • Minimum 3GHz rated RG6 and components required from LNBF to Receiver
    • Note: Tight bends in cable reduces the frequency rating
  • Communication:
    • FSK
      • Includes all the advances from DiSEqC
      • A new protocol was needed for the channel stacking technology
        • Each CSS Channel is set to the desired satellite transponder
      • Support 16 tuners simultaneously over one cable for the Hopper 3
      • Only ZiP equipment is compatible with FSK
        • Dish Pro Hybrid LNBs are backwards compatible with DP/DPP/XiP receivers using DiSEqC
    • Channel Stack Switching
      • Full Transponders are split out (rather than odd and evens)
    • MoCA
      • MoCA stands for Multimedia over Coaxial Alliance and is the standard protocol for transmitting Internet data over coaxial wiring, or Ethernet over coax
      • Clients (Joeys) in DISH systems use data transmission instead of video signals to function
  • Tuners Supported Per Coax:
    • 18, 16 for receiver use
  • Diplexer Support:
    • None
    • Note: OTA and TV2 feeds cannot be diplexed on DPX systems as they run on the same frequencies as MoCA and will interfere with each other
  • Splitter Support:
    • Spitter use is designed to split Client feeds (MoCA)
    • Client feeds require at minimum 900MHz rated RG59
  • Channel Stack Splitter Support:
    • In commercial installations Channel Stack Splitter use is designed to split the CSS band for multiple receiver use
    • Up to 8 Wallys in dual tuner mode
    • Up to 16 Wallys in single tuner mode
    • Channel Stack feeds require at minimum 3GHz rated RG6
    • Note: a power inserter or switch is required
  • Check Switch:
    • 1-5 steps depending on equipment attached

DPX, I believe is the Hoppers
View attachment 180833

  • DPX Frequency Range:
    • 650MHz - 30000MHz
    • Minimum 3GHz rated RG6 and components required from LNBF to Receiver
    • Note: Tight bends in cable reduces the frequency rating
  • Communication:
    • Two way
    • DiSEqC
      • Two way signals over the coaxial cable to select and control the appropriate satellite from the set-top box
        • This is the first protocol DISH used that allowed for two-way communication
        • It requires compatibility from both the receiver and the outdoor equipment
      • This allows the set top box to easily switch signals from one LNB to another LNB directly from the set-top box
      • Allows the receiver to determine what kind of switch gear is connected
      • Allows the switches and LNBs in the install to identify what they are and what satellite signal is being carried
    • Band Stacking
      • Three satellite frequency bands are created
      • Odd and even transponders share a frequency band
      • Each frequency band has two way communication
    • MoCA
      • MoCA stands for Multimedia over Coaxial Alliance and is the standard protocol for transmitting Internet data over coaxial wiring, or Ethernet over coax
      • Clients (Joeys) in DISH systems use data transmission instead of video signals to function
  • Tuners Supported Per Coax:
    • 3
  • Splitter Support:
    • Spitter use is designed to split Client feeds (MoCA)
    • Client feeds require at minimum 900MHz rated RG59
  • Diplexer Support:
    • None
    • Note: OTA and TV2 feeds cannot be diplexed on DPX systems as they run on the same frequencies as MoCA and will interfere with each other
  • Check Switch:
    • 1-5 steps depending on equipment attached
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Fantastic information. Thanks a lot.

However, I think you got your DPZ/DPX group labels backwards. DPZ appears to be for Hopper3s (owning to the 16 (18) simultaneous channels), DPX appears to be for the earlier Hopper1s, Wallys (single tuner), and Hopper2s (three tuners). Is that correct?

Also, from what I understand, DiSEqC is the communication protocol that is used in the MoCA band to do all the switch configuration inquiries and receiver identification. And DiSEqC commands are used to select which channels are in the group of 16 in DPZ, correct?

Where do ViP receivers fit in these schemes?

Lastly, just to clarify, in DPZ there is only one group of 16 stacked channels, correct?
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RTCDude said:
FSK stands for Frequency Shift Keying. This is where the carrier frequency is shifted slightly up or down to indicate a "bit" of information. This scheme is more immune radio propagation and fading issues than CW (Continuous Wave) transmissions where the carrier is turned on and off to denote "bit" information.

FSK was first used in wireless telegraph systems to denote the "dits" and "dahs" for Morse Code. FSK is now used routinely in wireless digital systems to indicate digital 1 and 0 "bits" of information. Some systems use multiple shift levels to "compress" information (say 8 shift levels for values 0 to 7) into the same bandwidth.

A similar scheme, PSK, changes the phase of carrier instead of the frequency, and can use multiple phase shift levels for similar compression.
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So this is at the sat transmission level? Which rx's use it? Everything hopper-forward?

tjboston5676 said:
Dpz was dpp with a solo node or duo node.
Dpx is hybrid
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Now I'm even more confused. The info says that DPH, which we've previously established to mean DishPro Hybrid, is backward-compatible with all rx's that can use DP & DiSEqC- how far back in rx's would that go? Thus "Dpx is hybrid" would seem to contradict that statement by DiSH. My understanding from that information is that all the new stuff needs something more advanced than simply the old DP stuff, but that they're now putting out LNBFs and the like (Hybrid) that can be used on both new-rx installs and older (possibly) pre-hopper rx's. So has there been a DPX-only LNBF?

What are solo and dual nodes and what rx's used with (not mentioned in the explainers)?

Finally, what is an XiP receiver? It looks like a ZiP receiver would be something at the hopper level but using the DP(Z) scheme rather than DPX. Is it like ViP, then ZiP and then Xip? Never heard of this.
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telstar_1 said:
So this is at the sat transmission level? Which rx's use it? Everything hopper-forward?


Now I'm even more confused. The info says that DPH, which we've previously established to mean DishPro Hybrid, is backward-compatible with all rx's that can use DP & DiSEqC- how far back in rx's would that go? Thus "Dpx is hybrid" would seem to contradict that statement by DiSH. My understanding from that information is that all the new stuff needs something more advanced than simply the old DP stuff, but that they're now putting out LNBFs and the like (Hybrid) that can be used on both new-rx installs and older (possibly) pre-hopper rx's. So has there been a DPX-only LNBF?

What are solo and dual nodes and what rx's used with (not mentioned in the explainers)?

Finally, what is an XiP receiver? It looks like a ZiP receiver would be something at the hopper level but using the DP(Z) scheme rather than DPX. Is it like ViP, then ZiP and then Xip? Never heard of this.
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telstar_1 said:
So this is at the sat transmission level? Which rx's use it? Everything hopper-forward?


Now I'm even more confused. The info says that DPH, which we've previously established to mean DishPro Hybrid, is backward-compatible with all rx's that can use DP & DiSEqC- how far back in rx's would that go? Thus "Dpx is hybrid" would seem to contradict that statement by DiSH. My understanding from that information is that all the new stuff needs something more advanced than simply the old DP stuff, but that they're now putting out LNBFs and the like (Hybrid) that can be used on both new-rx installs and older (possibly) pre-hopper rx's. So has there been a DPX-only LNBF?

What are solo and dual nodes and what rx's used with (not mentioned in the explainers)?

Finally, what is an XiP receiver? It looks like a ZiP receiver would be something at the hopper level but using the DP(Z) scheme rather than DPX. Is it like ViP, then ZiP and then Xip? Never heard of this.
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FSK is only used in MoCA communications between devices on the local coax, and has nothing to do with the satellite signals.

I think I'm beginning to understand DPH now, it's all in the acronym of "hybrid". It appears a DPH LNBF is a configurable LNBF as four LNBFs in one, DP, DPP, DPX, and DPZ. Once the device configuration on the coax network is identified, the DPH LNBF is told (via MoCA commands) which LNBF to act like for each of it coax output ports. Then, with all of the appropriate nodes, diplexers, and switchs the correct LNBF style information is steered to the proper group of receivers.

Have I got this correct?
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FSK is only used in MoCA communications between devices on the local coax, and has nothing to do with the satellite signals.

I think I'm beginning to understand DPH now, it's all in the acronym of "hybrid". It appears a DPH LNBF is a configurable LNBF as four LNBFs in one, DP, DPP, DPX, and DPZ. Once the device configuration on the coax network is identified, the DPH LNBF is told (via MoCA commands) which LNBF to act like for each of it coax output ports. Then, with all of the appropriate nodes, diplexers, and switchs the correct LNBF style information is steered to the proper group of receivers.

Have I got this correct?
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Sounds reasonable. DiSH was always big & strong on coming out with ever-advancing technologies- it just wasn't so big & strong on serving cx's
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DIRECTV Cutting Edge Non Disclosure Agreement

In order to participate in any Cutting Edge testing, you must sign a Non Disclosure Agreement (NDA). Attached are a .docx (Microsoft Word) and PDF version of the latest DirecTV NDA. I found it easiest to complete the .docx version then paste a photo or scan image of my signature, cropped closely to just the signature into it as a picture. Then set Word to wrap text around the picture so that the picture follows the text "Signature".

People who have better PDF tools than I do may prefer that version.

When you apply for any Cutting Edge testing, you will be told how to send the signed copy.
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Any NDA you have signed before is still valid for the testing you have been and hopefull still are doing. The new NDA forms are ror new CE testers and new categories of CE testing.
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Been putting off buying a front/rear dashcam. This Civil Rights Lawyer video now has me moving forward

This was actually one of the more disturbing videos I've seen on this channel. IF this guy hadn't been driving a Tesla which has 360 degree cams, he would probably become a felon and had his life ruined.....all because of a lying cop. The other officers in this video didn't impress me too much either, their whole mentality was how can we nail this guy.
This is a perfect example of why I'm always a bit nervous when I get below Perry, FL. There is a huge difference between north and south Florida and everyone who lives here knows this.


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dishstaller said:
This was actually one of the more disturbing videos I've seen on this channel. IF this guy hadn't been driving a Tesla which has 360 degree cams, he would probably become a felon and had his life ruined.....all because of a lying cop. The other officers in this video didn't impress me too much either, their whole mentality was how can we nail this guy.
This is a perfect example of why I'm always a bit nervous when I get below Perry, FL. There is a huge difference between north and south Florida and everyone who lives here knows this.


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Central is not any better, Polk County still does not have body cams.
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How things have changed

I was reading this article

thehill.com

Cable TV ‘cord-cutters’ became the majority in 2022

The steady decline of cable and broadcast television, and the rise of streaming services, reached a sort of inflection point over the past year. Last summer, for the first time, streaming ser…
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Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.

Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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But they ARE Streaming as well, so they Should be counted as both, which would make the Streaming numbers even More prominate.

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Who does the Counting for Streaming ?

Neilson does the Broadcast/Cable ...
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Jimbo said:
But they ARE Streaming as well, so they Should be counted as both, which would make the Streaming numbers even More prominate.

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Who does the Counting for Streaming ?

Neilson does the Broadcast/Cable ...
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But they are basically airing a number of live channels just like Broadcast, Cable, and Others so that is why they are counted that way.
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Jimbo said:
But they ARE Streaming as well, so they Should be counted as both, which would make the Streaming numbers even More prominate.

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Who does the Counting for Streaming ?

Neilson does the Broadcast/Cable ...
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Same.

Ratings for streaming content is extremely accurate, since the service knows who is watching what and when, when we hit ok on our remotes.

Ratings for Broadcast/Cable shows has always been a estimate.
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Bruce said:
Same.

Ratings for streaming content is extremely accurate, since the service knows who is watching what and when, when we hit ok on our remotes.

Ratings for Broadcast/Cable shows has always been a estimate.
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If I flip thru shows on an app, 3-4 in a few minutes, does that still show that I watched the whole episode ?


If I watch the Super Bowl for 5 minutes, does that count as watching the Super Bowl ?
Is it the same if I just watched the Commercials.
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If I flip thru shows on an app, 3-4 in a few minutes, does that still show that I watched the whole episode ?


If I watch the Super Bowl for 5 minutes, does that count as watching the Super Bowl ?
Is it the same if I just watched the Commercials.
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Nielsen Streaming Ratings: Third-party measurement firm Nielsen tracks U.S. streaming viewership, releasing weekly reports that measure total minutes viewed across major television sets, broken down by program (such as original, acquired, and movie content) rather than minute-by-minute audience retention curves.
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DIRECTV Transponder Map ~ Data 10/21/2026

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@103W.... D12, D15
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Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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Now in the Hornets and Hurricanes markets we just get the TV promise screen. But Directv still charges sports fee I am assuming.
Luckily my DTV stream package doesn't have a rsn fee. Figure DTV that always says is the leader in sports would have come to an agreement by now.
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jamieh1 said:
Now in the Hornets and Hurricanes markets we just get the TV promise screen. But Directv still charges sports fee I am assuming.
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Greenville-New Bern is $11.99 for MASN (Orioles) and Nationals
Raleigh is $11.99 for MASN and Nationals
Charlotte is $12.99 for BravesVision, MASN, Nationals and Reds

The fee in NC also includes the higher in state rate they have to pay for ACCN. Down in SC the fee is $15.99 as they are also a SEC state.
I'm not sure if they're doing it with those teams, but in some markets they also use the fee to cover the additional cost they have to pay for independents and MyNet stations that picked up full season NHL and NBA rights.

If you go to the TVPromise site, you'll likely be able to get a credit for not getting the Hurricanes and additional Hornets games that air on WITN-D2

jamieh1 said:
Figure DTV that always says is the leader in sports would have come to an agreement by now.
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Part of the hold out might be the packaging and price for outer areas like how the Thunder needs sports pack for other states. Hopefully they are also pushing for a guarantee from the teams that they would require whoever wins their local broadcasting rights in 2028 to negotiate with MVPDs. Commercial distribution rights are probably a factor too.

I'm guessing they got a deep discount for the Clippers based on how long it took them to officially announce ClipperVision and their KTLA simulcasts after they were basically handed a multi-year draft death penalty.

The Predators and Pistons channels are using feeds supplied by Scripps Sports

The Heat likely depends on whoever they sign for the Fort Myers DMA, as there's no point in paying a high price for the Heat just for that DMA when WPLG is streaming it for free on their app and website for viewers in the Miami DMA, and they already carry the West Palm Beach station.
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KyL416 said:
If you go to the TVPromise site, you'll likely be able to get a credit for not getting the Hurricanes and additional Hornets games that air on WITN-D2
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I tried this with both the Hurricanes and Hornets since I'm in upstate SC, and wasn't offered any kind of credit by the site. It's not a huge deal to me as I can pick up WSOC/WAXN over the air at my location even though I'm outside the Charlotte market.
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I thought the NBA TV contracts were short term as the NBA is trying to get all of the teams into in an all in one streaming app?
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649 GRZLLIES and 671 PACERS are now available.

The rest are still pointing to the TV Promise slate
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Hello again

I haven't posted in almost 17 years. Over the air, sat, offline, anything-but-the-internet is still one of my avid pursuits. Been playing with offline tv viewing and offline web browsing. I have great appreciations for this site still being here. It's so hard to find public communities that haven't sold out to social media company.
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Got to admit, I had to look up "offline web browsing". I had never heard of it.
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Welcome back, as you can see we branched off into a bunch of things since Satellite is what it is now, so lots to talk about here. :)
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dishstaller said:
Got to admit, I had to look up "offline web browsing". I had never heard of it.
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From what I understand, it's just saving a article or whatever, to Save it so you can read it later ....
Unless he's talking something entirely different ... the way I am looking at it, you Still need the Internet to load it originally.
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Dish 4K Event Listings (No Discussion)

This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.

As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
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CFB, Indiana at Michigan, Saturday 10-24, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, BYU at UCF, Saturday 10-24, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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MLB, Rays at Brewers, Friday 10-23, 5PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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MLB, Rays at Brewers, Saturday 10-24, 5PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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MLB, Brewers at Rays, Monday 10-26, 5PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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MLB, Brewers at Rays, Tuesday 10-27, 5PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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Guessing Costco Tech Prices

Time for another AWESOME video from Linus Tech Tips!


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FtjH_HHTpeg


Direct YouTube Link - Guessing Costco Tech Prices
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This Week in Space 233

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


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How It Feels Holding an iPhone Duo in Hand

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New Gemini Box

The following is from Reddit. -
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gemini.webp

There appears to be a new DIRECTV Gemini OTT box, the C81KW-650.

The FCC listing is partially available, and a Geekbench entry confirms it uses an Amlogic S905X5, a solid SoC for a set-top box.

I also see 4GB of RAM, and the manufacturer is SEI Robotics.

DIRECTV C81KW OTT Box - Android TV Guide

Ok found a picture of the Box too on Reddit:


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/DirectvStream/comments/1twlex0/comment/opzeqi1/
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A new Gemini box for DirecTV streaming possibly becoming available in January of 2027? That would be welcome news.

I have been exploring leaving Dish DBS ever since a software update around Aug. 10, version H711 and now H712, is causing problems with IR signals and the Dish Hopper 3. As a result my Sofabaton X2 universal remote no longer works perfectly as it did prior to the H711 and H712 Dish Hopper 3 firmware updates.

I have been a little leary of the current hardware available for DirecTV streaming as the Gemini Ospry box fits my needs, however they are getting a little long in the tooth and finding the 4GB RAM (SKU: 60233) Osprey box complete with remote and power cable is somewhat challenging. I see that the 2GB RAM Osprey boxes (SKU: 60164) can be found on Ebay and at Walmart online used, however a 4GB Osprey box is preferred.

Now I wonder if I should just wait it out until the new Gemini box for DirecTV streaming becomes available. I want a box with an Ethernet port and the Gemini Air is WiFi only. If the new Gemini box does become available in January of 2027 will it be lease only via DirecTV or will we be allowed to purchase them?
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GRB1959 said:
A new Gemini box for DirecTV streaming possibly becoming available in January of 2027? That would be welcome news.

I have been exploring leaving Dish DBS ever since a software update around Aug. 10, version H711 and now H712, is causing problems with IR signals and the Dish Hopper 3. As a result my Sofabaton X2 universal remote no longer works perfectly as it did prior to the H711 and H712 Dish Hopper 3 firmware updates.

I have been a little leary of the current hardware available for DirecTV streaming as the Gemini Ospry box fits my needs, however they are getting a little long in the tooth and finding the 4GB RAM (SKU: 60233) Osprey box complete with remote and power cable is somewhat challenging. I see that the 2GB RAM Osprey boxes (SKU: 60164) can be found on Ebay and at Walmart online used, however a 4GB Osprey box is preferred.

Now I wonder if I should just wait it out until the new Gemini box for DirecTV streaming becomes available. I want a box with an Ethernet port and the Gemini Air is WiFi only. If the new Gemini box does become available in January of 2027 will it be lease only via DirecTV or will we be allowed to purchase them?
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there leased at 10.00 per box. unless you can find em at ebay or wally world where people have gotten em before. or you could get a roku apple tv firestick if you don't need the channel numbers
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slow_poke_pete said:
there leased at 10.00 per box. unless you can find em at ebay or wally world where people have gotten em before. or you could get a roku apple tv firestick if you don't need the channel numbers
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I appreciate the reply. My wife will be using this as well so a numeric keypad to change channels that actually works is a must and I want it to have a hardwired Ethernet port so that leaves the Gemini box as my only real choice.
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GRB1959 said:
I want it to have a hardwired Ethernet port so that leaves the Gemini box as my only real choice.
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The Roku Ultra series (the larger square box models that attach via hdmi) have ethernet ports
roku back.webp
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dishstaller said:
The Roku Ultra series (the larger square box models that attach via hdmi) have ethernet portsView attachment 194992
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This thread is about the new box for the DIRECTV Stream service. And yes it has an Ethernet port also.
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b4pjoe said:
This thread is about the new box for the DIRECTV Stream service. And yes it has an Ethernet port also.
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I didn't just mention this for no reason.....see posts #10 and 11 where Roku was clearly brought into the discussion. I'm NOT trying to hijack a thread but ADD information to it.
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I know a few people who have gotten one and I am told like most modern streaming boxes this one also has HDR on all the time.
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Scott Greczkowski said:
I know a few people who have gotten one and I am told like most modern streaming boxes this one also has HDR on all the time.
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My guess it is like the 2 previous boxes where you can turn it off/on but requires a reboot once you make the change for the change to take effect. Not sure if there is some limitation in the hardware that won't allow it to change automatically to what is in the content like other devices do. Even DIRECTV satellites own C61K changes on the fly.
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Scott Greczkowski said:
I know a few people who have gotten one and I am told like most modern streaming boxes this one also has HDR on all the time.
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I only noticed that as a problem on TVs that handle HDR poorly. They don't have enough peak brightness or enough dimming zones. For instance, TCL makes three lines of TV, sort of like the old Sears model of Good, Better, Best. On my 4 or 5 year end low price model, HDR looked awful (My neighbor likes the TV now). The midrange model from the next model year ithat I have at my Lake home now looks pretty good in HDR all the time. The midrange TCL QM7 model from last year at my other home looks spectacular, as I remember. I haven't seen it for 6 months.

If I had a TV that does HDR poorly, I would configure the Gemini to disable all HDR.
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Tom Speer said:
I only noticed that as a problem on TVs that handle HDR poorly. They don't have enough peak brightness or enough dimming zones. For instance, TCL makes three lines of TV, sort of like the old Sears model of Good, Better, Best. On my 4 or 5 year end low price mode, HDR looked awful (My neighbor likes the TV now). The midrannge model from the next model year ithat I have at my Lake home now looks pretty good in HDR all the time. The midrange TCL QM7 model from last year at my other home looks spectacular, as I remember. I haven't seen it for 6 months.

If I had a TV that does HDR poorly, I would configure the Gemini to disble all HDR.
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I agree with that. The 2 LGs that we have Gemini's on looks far better with HDR enabled then it does with HDR off.
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