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We moved into a new house last fall and Dish moved the service.

As part of the installation the tech swapped Wireless Joey Access Point to a new model. The Hopper is now in a a bedroom separated by a kitchen wall with the joeys being less than 30' from the hopper. The installer concluded that the AP-JOEY wifi signal was inadequate (50%) and used an orphan cable tv connector to add a MOCA-Ethernet bridge and connected the AP. This put the AP no more than 15' from either Joey.

The connection to one or both is randomly dropped. The Joey goes black and then puts up a screen that says to go to the AP and use the button. I just navigate to the network settings page and reset the net (which says it will reset the Hopper-router link but appears to reset the Joey-AP link). It comes back. If I ignore it it will take several minutes and self recover. It usually happens once a day, sometimes more often.

Since proximity didn't change I moved the AP back to be adjacent to the Hopper since where he put the MOCA-Ethernet box was horrible (I wouldn't have let him had he asked) since it was in the middle of some statues. The Joey still has a signal strength of 45-60. It still drops the link but at the same frequency as when it was adjacent.

This never happened with the old AP which we had for over 12 years. And the Joeys were on two levels at least 50' and 4 walls from the AP... Signal strength for them was in the 35-50% range and we never ever lost the AP-Joey link.

I assert that there is some kind of interference that is causing the new AP to lose the link. The area has at least 20 different WIFI networks in range of my internet AP so there is alot of traffic...

An additional thing that happend was an extreme latency in remote control activity. Before this AP the skip forward and backwards had a small, coulpe of milliseconds, latency vs. the remote on the Hopper. With the new AP, remote response is up to several seconds. In fact, I've had it take longer to respond than the skip! I've had it take 45 seconds to do a 30 second forward and it is quite frequent that a 10 second reverse to take more than 10 seconds, and it's typically around 3 seconds... I lay this on the wifi link. The video doesn't stutter but that can be because it buffers internally enough to ride through these.

So two questions:

1. Does anyone else have this same problem?

2. Can I get an old AP back (I asked Dish and they said they couldn't.)

Frankly this is getting annoying enough that I'm for the first time in 30 years, considering dropping dish...

the only reason I have dish is for the DVR...
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HipKat
and used an orphan cable tv connector to add a MOCA-Ethernet bridge and connected the AP.
Wait, a what??
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Wait, a what??
In this installation the dish is connected to the house's cable TV box on the outside wall. There is no CATx cable in the house (built in 1999 or so). That means the satellite signal goes to every cable TV outlet (unless there are splitters in the box and they rewire them, but the CATV default is to split it everywhere). There is some signal loss but not enough to keep the sat signal from meeting the hopper requirements. The dish box sends a MOCA signal back onto the COAX so you can plug in other MOCA devices to make a network-over-coax network. Since the Joey doesn't have a coax connector they added a MOCA-to-ethernet bridge and connected the router to that. That got the AP physically closer to the joeys and got 90+ signal strenth but they still dropped at the same rate as before.
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Sorry there were two questions there so I don't know which the "yes" applies to.

First q: Can Wireless Joeys be used in ethernet only mode?

Second q: If so, will Dish supply powerline adapters? If so, what magic incantaiton to the gods do I need to utter to get them because previously they said no... (I'd need 4 - two for the Joeys, one for the hopper, one for the router)

I guess a 3rd q is : Is there a way to constrain a wireless joey to Ethernet only mode such that it won't be grabbed by a wireless AP so I can use the Wireless in another location.
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HipKat
In this installation the dish is connected to the house's cable TV box on the outside wall. There is no CATx cable in the house (built in 1999 or so). That means the satellite signal goes to every cable TV outlet (unless there are splitters in the box and they rewire them, but the CATV default is to split it everywhere). There is some signal loss but not enough to keep the sat signal from meeting the hopper requirements. The dish box sends a MOCA signal back onto the COAX so you can plug in other MOCA devices to make a network-over-coax network. Since the Joey doesn't have a coax connector they added a MOCA-to-ethernet bridge and connected the router to that. That got the AP physically closer to the joeys and got 90+ signal strenth but they still dropped at the same rate as before.
I understand how cable works and I understand how cabling for hopper system works since I do it every day. What I don't know is what a MOCA to ethernet bridge is.

The access point can connect to the system two waves. One by connecting directly to the opera via ethernet or two is adding a hopper Internet connector to the system by connecting it as if it were a Joey. And then the access point can connect to that by ethernet. I assume that's what you're talking about, I've just never heard it called that before.

Also, repeaters or extenders typically do not play very well with a hopper. I don't know about using a power outlet. We did that with the old VIP boxes and it worked great but I don't know how it would work with a hopper.
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HipKat
Sorry there were two questions there so I don't know which the "yes" applies to.

First q: Can Wireless Joeys be used in ethernet only mode?

Second q: If so, will Dish supply powerline adapters? If so, what magic incantaiton to the gods do I need to utter to get them because previously they said no... (I'd need 4 - two for the Joeys, one for the hopper, one for the router)

I guess a 3rd q is : Is there a way to constrain a wireless joey to Ethernet only mode such that it won't be grabbed by a wireless AP so I can use the Wireless in another location.
Yes, any Joey can be used with ethernet either connected directly to the hopper or connected to a switch that's on the same network that the hopper is connected to.

I assume there is a way to get the wireless Joey to disconnect from the excess point, I'm just not sure what it is. It could be going into the diagnostic screen by hitting the home button until you get to it, two or three times and then scrolling down to network and then selecting network settings, and then clicking info, recall. That is how you disconnect a hopper from an Internet network. It may be how you disconnect a wireless Joey from an access point.

Dish will not supply powerline adapters because dish no longer carries or supports them
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Foxbat
What I don't know is what a MOCA to ethernet bridge is.
I have used these in my home to connect to the home LAN through the cheap RG-59 that was installed when our house was built. It really isn't a Bridge so much as an Adapter that takes 75Ω coax on one side and 100/1000BaseTX on the other. It uses MoCA to multiplex the LAN traffic over the same Coax I use for OTA in the bedroom that has the computer and printer. In theory I could have one MoCA Adapter located in my LAN closet and place additional MoCA Adapters wherever I have OTA Coax outlets since it supports Coax splitters.
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We moved into a new house last fall and Dish moved the service.

As part of the installation the tech swapped Wireless Joey Access Point to a new model. The Hopper is now in a a bedroom separated by a kitchen wall with the joeys being less than 30' from the hopper. The installer concluded that the AP-JOEY wifi signal was inadequate (50%) and used an orphan cable tv connector to add a MOCA-Ethernet bridge and connected the AP. This put the AP no more than 15' from either Joey.

The connection to one or both is randomly dropped. The Joey goes black and then puts up a screen that says to go to the AP and use the button. I just navigate to the network settings page and reset the net (which says it will reset the Hopper-router link but appears to reset the Joey-AP link). It comes back. If I ignore it it will take several minutes and self recover. It usually happens once a day, sometimes more often.

Since proximity didn't change I moved the AP back to be adjacent to the Hopper since where he put the MOCA-Ethernet box was horrible (I wouldn't have let him had he asked) since it was in the middle of some statues. The Joey still has a signal strength of 45-60. It still drops the link but at the same frequency as when it was adjacent.

This never happened with the old AP which we had for over 12 years. And the Joeys were on two levels at least 50' and 4 walls from the AP... Signal strength for them was in the 35-50% range and we never ever lost the AP-Joey link.

I assert that there is some kind of interference that is causing the new AP to lose the link. The area has at least 20 different WIFI networks in range of my internet AP so there is alot of traffic...

An additional thing that happend was an extreme latency in remote control activity. Before this AP the skip forward and backwards had a small, coulpe of milliseconds, latency vs. the remote on the Hopper. With the new AP, remote response is up to several seconds. In fact, I've had it take longer to respond than the skip! I've had it take 45 seconds to do a 30 second forward and it is quite frequent that a 10 second reverse to take more than 10 seconds, and it's typically around 3 seconds... I lay this on the wifi link. The video doesn't stutter but that can be because it buffers internally enough to ride through these.

So two questions:

1. Does anyone else have this same problem?

2. Can I get an old AP back (I asked Dish and they said they couldn't.)

Frankly this is getting annoying enough that I'm for the first time in 30 years, considering dropping dish...

the only reason I have dish is for the DVR...
I noticed on my AP the Hopper constantly vacillating between excellent and poor signal. That was at 2.4GHz and switching the Hopper to a 5GHz connection took care of it. You might try that if you haven't already. The range for 5GHz is lower though and it doesn't love obstacles.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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remembers when ATT had stores and leased home phones
dishstaller
My Wife was recently in an antique store and saw a rotary desk phone and it had one of those sticker overlays that had a business listed with phone number under each number on the dial. She looked closer and it had my old Radio Shack listed under the 8...she bought it. Pretty cool keepsake. Back then I rented vhs movies as well so I had it listed as Radio Shack / Movie Gallery and then the phone number.
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I remember this in the news too...

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I remember this in the news too...

That is a misnomer. In the old days you subscribed to telephone service. That included the telephone line and one telephone. An extension cost $1 a month extra. So that $14,000 over 42 years was for the service not the leased telephone. There is no way they paid $28 a month for 42 years for a leased telephone.
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anybody remember this disaster ?
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.
HipKat
Week Six Balls and Goats and WTH is Going On in The NFL??

Browns. 1st place in the North. Yup. Believe it or not

Chiefs. Undefeated.

Titans. Won a game ! .... Colts I know, but still.

Saints. Won a game after a while.

Steelers. Having the same season they always have. They somehow find wins on their way to an unceremonial 1st round exit. Mike Tomlin is proud.

Cards. Won a game without scoring a single touchdown

Broncos. How they manage to win games with the dogshit offense they have should be studied.

Bears. Caleb's back and so is their mojo.


Goats

NFC East. For the 2nd straight week no team from this clown show of a division won a game. Eagles are cooked without Hurts. Who's not that good anyway. Commanders suck, Dallas is well ..... Dallas and the Giants have no QB.

Ravens. Lamar is out (as usual). But still. Losing to the Browns is never ok.

Chargers. Still can't win.

Rams. So much for the powerhouse team. They are 2 games under .500

Seattle. Lost to the offenseless Broncos.
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Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.
Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.
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Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.
Jerry made himself General Manager after he bought the team but make no mistake Jimmy engineered that trade. As well as a lot of others at the time.
rvvaquero
Jimmy Johnson is a football guy. Jerry Jones is a marketer (hustler).

When I see a football player get a 15 yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct (like taunting) in a close game, I often wonder what he was thinking. Was he thinking, I'm doing everything I can to make this a better team and help win a championship? Or, was he saying to himself, I want everyone to notice how great I am?

Johnson inspires one, Jones the other.
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I haven't posted in almost 17 years. Over the air, sat, offline, anything-but-the-internet is still one of my avid pursuits. Been playing with offline tv viewing and offline web browsing. I have great appreciations for this site still being here. It's so hard to find public communities that haven't sold out to social media company.
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Hello folks, well my luck ran out last week with a nasty thunderstorm and after 39 years here, finally took a hit. Now, the FTA receivers I had for some years worked great until now. Recently picked up a fairly cheap receiver, online, KOQIT and seems to be good, but for the life of me, I cannot get the HDMI output to work with 3 of my Samsung monitors. I can hook it up to my Samsung TV and its HDMI input and it works fine. The 2 receivers I lost also worked fine with them, so am I going crazy? anyone have come across this or have any suggestions? And, since this is a somewhat cheap unit but works, what is everyone out there using for receivers these days? without breaking the bank? I enjoy watching FTA TV, so I will invest more if needed, what is a really good, detailed unit these days. I'm so use to watching a few of them HD channels. Right now I'm down to composite hookups, yuck! Any help or info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Frank :rolleyes:
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(((Garyd)))
Hello folks, well my luck ran out last week with a nasty thunderstorm and after 39 years here, finally took a hit. Now, the FTA receivers I had for some years worked great until now. Recently picked up a fairly cheap receiver, online, KOQIT and seems to be good, but for the life of me, I cannot get the HDMI output to work with 3 of my Samsung monitors. I can hook it up to my Samsung TV and its HDMI input and it works fine. The 2 receivers I lost also worked fine with them, so am I going crazy? anyone have come across this or have any suggestions? And, since this is a somewhat cheap unit but works, what is everyone out there using for receivers these days? without breaking the bank? I enjoy watching FTA TV, so I will invest more if needed, what is a really good, detailed unit these days. I'm so use to watching a few of them HD channels. Right now I'm down to composite hookups, yuck! Any help or info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Frank :rolleyes:
Take the cover off, show me pics of the board of the bad one and also the bottom of the board. I'm an old hardware electronics tech plus a satellite dealer; I fixed a lot of FTA and regular receivers. I may be able to fix it for you. And yes, they got hit by lightning; it's best to email me the pics at diamondsatellite@snet.net or call me at 203-232-8888. I give you a 50-50 chance of fixing it; I do have spare parts. my phone is a fliptop phone
Gary
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More room for the return of the Plague & Pestilence?

;)
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Hello folks, well my luck ran out last week with a nasty thunderstorm and after 39 years here, finally took a hit. Now, the FTA receivers I had for some years worked great until now. Recently picked up a fairly cheap receiver, online, KOQIT and seems to be good, but for the life of me, I cannot get the HDMI output to work with 3 of my Samsung monitors. I can hook it up to my Samsung TV and its HDMI input and it works fine. The 2 receivers I lost also worked fine with them, so am I going crazy? anyone have come across this or have any suggestions? And, since this is a somewhat cheap unit but works, what is everyone out there using for receivers these days? without breaking the bank? I enjoy watching FTA TV, so I will invest more if needed, what is a really good, detailed unit these days. I'm so use to watching a few of them HD channels. Right now I'm down to composite hookups, yuck! Any help or info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Frank :rolleyes:
a good surge protector will help to.
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Take the cover off, show me pics of the board of the bad one and also the bottom of the board. I'm an old hardware electronics tech plus a satellite dealer; I fixed a lot of FTA and regular receivers. I may be able to fix it for you. And yes, they got hit by lightning; it's best to email me the pics at diamondsatellite@snet.net or call me at 203-232-8888. I give you a 50-50 chance of fixing it; I do have spare parts. my phone is a fliptop phone
Gary
Hi Gary, still working on getting you those
Hi Gary, just saw this, ok, I'll grab some pics tomorrow and post them. thx
Still working getting you those pictures, nice weekends means yard work and fall prep, thanks
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k4otl
Anybody know how to add "hidden" audio channels like for 101 W Ku or 105W C band on these recvr's? I've exported the database file but don't have anything that will read or edit it.
cyberham
For 105W C, you scan in the Westwood tp normally. Then select the audio channel you want. Not necessary to manually enter. On 101W, you must manually enter.
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Now that I'm retired, obviously I have different health care insurance. I take 2 prescriptions. With my old insurance I didn't have to pay for either of them, now I do. It's not a huge amount but it led me to dig a little into the cost of prescription medications. I have been using Walgreens for the longest time. But what I found was that Walgreens price is 4.8 times more for one of my prescriptions and the other is 2.3 percent more compared to the lowest price pharmacy. If you pay for prescription medications you might want to have a look at trumprx and see if you can get a lower price.


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I run them through several different providers to see who has the lowest cost

Usually it's Walmart or Sam's + GoodRx

Also...


You can also price them through the CareCard and WellRx apps.

Sometimes Amazon Pharmacy is cheapest.
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TrumpRx?!?

I went on Medicare recently (not an "advantage" plan) and my prescriptions at HyVee were very low out of pocket. The clerk said she was putting them on "Good Rx".
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I take 10mg Rosuvastatin (Crestor). I was paying $34 for a 90day supply at Walgreens last year when I was on Blue Cross. My Blue Cross premiums were going up to $1800 a month this year, so I switched to an Ambetter Bronze plan (I think that's a Cigna company) for $825 a month. I now have a $40 copay for doctors visits which is fine as I usually only see them once or twice a year, so a huge cost savings. My Rosuvastatin was going to go up to around $90 for a 90 day supply at Walgreens and even more at CVS or one of the local family pharmacies. Ordering online thru my insurance portal from Express Scripts it's $0.74 for a 90 day supply.
comfortably_numb
TrumpRx?!?

Scripts arrive in a gold paper sack.
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Usually it's Walmart or Sam's + GoodRx
I'm fortunate and don't take any medications. A couple years ago I had to take some antibiotics and used the GoodRx app. Went to Walmart and the person behind the desk knew me and told me to just buy them outright....the GoodRx price was a LOT higher. She said they aren't supposed to tell customers when they see they are being screwed.
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That's ok. I probably take enough for the two of us.

God knows what Bobby takes. Maybe so much they count as a meal?
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That's ok. I probably take enough for the two of us.

God knows what Bobby takes. Maybe so much they count as a meal?
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Actually I take just 2 prescriptions, Atorvastatin and Lisinopril. They cost me $6 each for 100 pills. Next year that will be nothing.
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