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Last reply Mar 4, 2005 · posted in Cable Television and Fiber Providers

RG6 question

I have Belden series 6 1189a wire. According to its specs it "sweep" to 1gh. Some of the post I have read say the RG6 should be able to handle 2200 mhgz. Can someone tell me what that means in layman terms and should I buy new wire instead of this stuff? One of my runs will probally be over 50 ft.

Thanks
John

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red hazard

Mar 23, 2004

Specifications

(Quote) the Zenith quad-shielded RG-6 coax available at Lowes meets or exceeds every RG-6 spec I've seen discussed on this forum. (Unqoute)
FACT: The superior 1 DB performance of 1694A yields about 26% less loss which could be useful in a rain fade scenario.

(Quote) Contrary to advertising, higher level cable does not provide better performance in a digital dbs reception situation.(Unquote)
FACT: The signal on the coax is not digital - - it's analog or what engineering purists call quasi-analog. The digital signal is at the output of the demod.

Regarding comments on copper clad vs solid copper; it's generally true proper copper claddling will not yield losses greater than solid copper due to the skinning effect but I doubt John, who started this post with a simple basic question, understands the phenomena. I can fully appreciate the the need for a professional installer to prefer the higher pulling tension rating and stiffness of copper covered steel; particulary when on the clock.

Regarding my comment on DC losses possibly causing problems with DiSEqC using copper covered steel, I did the calculations on 200ft of 1189A and determined that my concerns were unfounded. The amount of voltage drop was well above the 10.5 volt limitation.

Carl B

Mar 29, 2004

(Quote) the Zenith quad-shielded RG-6 coax available at Lowes meets or exceeds every RG-6 spec I've seen discussed on this forum. (Unqoute)
FACT: The superior 1 DB performance of 1694A yields about 26% less loss which could be useful in a rain fade scenario.

The quote above was taken out of context. The actual quote is: At least as stamped on the cable and printed on the package, the Zenith quad-shielded RG-6 coax available at Lowes meets or exceeds every RG-6 spec I've seen discussed on this forum. That quote preceded several folks getting into the published performance specs for various coax. Yes, the 1694A does lose about 1 db less per 1,000 feet than the Zenith quad-shield. That translates to between 0.05 and 0.1 db additional loss for the average home DTV antenna installation (50 to 100 feet of coax). I don't think this would be a visable, real-world difference.

The truth of the matter is that wether the cable is made in the good old USA, China or some 3rd world country it really doesn't make a difference in terms of performance. The Quality of the cable being made over seas has really improved over the years where I feel confortable using it in my every day installations.

Pardon me for going off topic here, but is it really worth sacrificing more U.S. jobs just to save a couple of bucks. I understand buying foreign when the quality of the U.S. product is inferior, but come on, if Made in USA meets or exceeds the performance of the off-shored product, shouldn't something else be a factor in the purchase besides a few cents a foot difference in cost?

red hazard

Mar 31, 2004

Wrong on 3 Counts

Nothing was taken out of context to skew what was stated in the posts on this thread. In Post #2 I stated, "Recommend Belden 1694A. It's not cheap but it is among the best for low loss and is tested up to 3000 MHz. DISHPRO (a form of DiSEqC) requires RG6 swept tested to a minimum of 2200 MHz."
The subject of loss was introduced in that post.

Subsequently you stated, "At least as stamped on the cable and printed on the package, the Zenith quad-shielded RG-6 coax available at Lowes meets or exceeds every RG-6 spec I've seen discussed on this forum. I've been pleased with its improved digital PQ performance versus the standard RG-6 sold at Home Depot." That piece of misinformation was stated without even checking to see what the salient parameters of Belden RG6 1694a were.

Secondly you stated in the Post #30 that, "Yes, the 1694A does lose about 1 db less per 1,000 feet than the Zenith quad-shield. That translates to between 0.05 and 0.1 db additional loss for the average home DTV antenna installation (50 to 100 feet of coax). I don't think this would be a visable, real-world difference." The fact of the matter is that the RF losses specified by the manufacturer are for 100 ft of cable NOT 1000 ft. See nominal attenutation at this link:
http://bwccat.belden.com/ecat/jsp/I...efined&P4=undefined&P5=undefined&P6=undefined
In view that DishPro is rated for up to 200ft, 2 db less loss is rather signficant.

Last, in the quote above, you state that, "That translates to between 0.05 and 0.1 db additional loss for the average home DTV antenna installation (50 to 100 feet of coax)." Obviously you don't know what decibels (db) means. It is a logarithmic power ratio for coveniently calculating satellite link budgets, long haul dedicated circuit losses or gains, etc. It is NOT LINEAR, it is base 10 logarithmic. You have to convert to real power before applying linear functions like multiplication of division. For example 3db loss is about double the loss while 6db loss is about 4 times the loss. Got it?

I don't intend to post anymore to this thread. The statements stand on their own value for the viewers.

BarryO

Apr 13, 2004

The truth of the matter is that wether the cable is made in the good old USA, China or some 3rd world country it really doesn't make a difference in terms of performance. The Quality of the cable being made over seas has really improved over the years where I feel confortable using it in my every day installations.

Actually, I've seen some very poor quality off-shore coax. Some of the RCA brand coax sold in Home Depot, marked Made in China, is particularly bad. The dielectric is not solid, and may not hold the center conductor perfecly aligned as the cable is bend. This will affect impedance and return loss.

BigEd

Mar 4, 2005

rg 6 supplier

Just for grins and giggles, check out your local electrical supply house. I don't mean Home Depot, but the one that sells to contractors and such.
I can get RG6 for 40 - 50 a spool and then pay 20-30 for shipping or go into the local supply house and pay 65 and walk out with it. To me that is a lot cheaper. The stuff I have been getting last go around is Genesis 5003 on a wooden spool. I was getting Coleman in the box, but rain/snow plays havoc with the cardboard. besides, I can make cute little chairs out of the old spools.

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BlackHitachi

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Last & Next Movie Watched

Since the Reds have there thread we should too!

Last watched Nine inch Nails
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Barbara Hershey :heartbeat

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Barbara Hershey

Last of the Dogmen is my favorite of hers.

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comfortably_numb

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Last reply Today at 7:18 PM · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

Philo now offers discounted annual plan

Not sure saving $24/year is worth it unless you're a hardcore Philo user. I'll stick with monthly.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:41 AM

comfortably_numb said:
Not sure saving $24/year is worth it unless you're a hardcore Philo user. I'll stick with monthly.

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Howard Simmons

Yesterday at 11:16 AM

Jimbo said:
$24 for the Year, would be more useful.

But when you cancel you still have to watch until the plan runs out. With monthly you're done at the end of the month.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 2:30 PM

Howard Simmons said:
But when you cancel you still have to watch until the plan runs out. With monthly you're done at the end of the month.

Sorry, my point was the expense.

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comfortably_numb

Yesterday at 2:33 PM

Jimbo said:
$24 for the Year, would be more useful.

Philo's monthly price is reasonable, IMO, because it's still the cheapest way I'm aware of to get all the linear Discovery networks AND access to the Discovery Go apps.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 2:34 PM

comfortably_numb said:
Philo's monthly price is reasonable, IMO, because it's still the cheapest way I'm aware of to get all the linear Discovery networks AND access to the Discovery Go apps.

I guess if it was something I used on a regular basis, I suppose.

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comfortably_numb

Today at 7:14 PM

In other Philo news..

Bobby

Today at 7:18 PM

comfortably_numb said:
In other Philo news..

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Oh boy, I can't wait!

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Last reply Today at 6:32 PM · posted in TV Shows

Rockford Files Reboot - NBC, Peacock

'Rockford Files' Reboot Gets NBC Pilot Order

I grow tired of all the reboots. Most I don't bother with but will depend on the actor chosen.

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long_time_Dish

May 12, 2026

Yeah, I'll check it out as well, but shan't be holding my breath...It'll be tough to equal James Garner in that role...

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harshness

May 12, 2026

long_time_DNC said:
...It'll be tough to equal James Garner in that role...

I can think of a few actors (including some females) who might fit the bill.

This will all depend on the storyline. I'm not sure how well it will translate. Modern TV hasn't been all that kind to PIs and even less kind to CIs (confidential informants).

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klang

Today at 5:30 PM

Premier is Saturday, Jan 2nd. Moving to Thursday on the 7th.

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Today at 6:24 PM

Teaser

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Today at 6:32 PM

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Teaser

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I wonder how they're/if they're going to do something like the answering machine message opening? It was always funny...

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meStevo

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Last reply Today at 6:11 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Volcanic Eruptions

Continuing the Kilauea thread in the Pub here. Perhaps the Iceland one too next time there's remarkable activity.

Currently there is precursory lava flowing into the crater, leading to the next episode that'll probably start within the next day.

You can see the pace of inflation / deflation here. It serves as the primary predictor for when the expect the eruptions, which coincide w/ inflation turning into significant deflation and last for several hours on average with significant fountaining.

Monitoring Data for Kīlauea

For more information on how electronic tiltmeters and GPS receivers help monitor the deformation of Kīlauea volcano, see the HVO Deformation page.

www.usgs.gov

View: https://youtu.be/Uecu2seh4b4

Wife and I like the AfarTV feeds, for the discussion along w/ them, though they're otherwise just mirrors of the official USGS feeds.

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Foxbat

Oct 17, 2026

Kīlauea seems to be returning to the "normal" eruption script, impressive fountaining from the North Vent. For once, the V2 Cam has the best overall shot:

The lava flows have covered a good portion of the Halemaʻumaʻu crater floor.

Foxbat

Oct 17, 2026

Looks like Episode 55 is over at 09:00 HST, just under six hours. The USGS said the fountains reached 720' or 220 meters.

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Foxbat

Tuesday at 10:25 AM

The USGS Kīlaeua Webcam #1 has been showing overflows and doming from the North vent overnight. Maybe the volcanic plumbing has settled back into its two-three week cycle of fountaining?

But I do miss the little cinder cone that broke up in the last episode.

Foxbat

Yesterday at 5:43 PM

Sorry, I should have posted these earlier:

We're still waiting on the start of Episode 56.

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Foxbat

Today at 6:11 PM

At 08:01 HST 11/05/2026, the North Vent produced what I would call a "wet burp" after the precursory "pistoning" events, small amounts of lava pouring out of the vent for a few seconds to minutes and then everything recedes. There must have been a gas bubble holding thing back because two minutes later the lava started flowing out of the vent in all directions. Then, at 08:25, it stopped. What a tease! I thought this was how Episode 56 started.

About 12 minutes later at 08:38, the North vent once again started overflowing and picked up steam at 08:42. By 09:00, slight doming could be seen in the pool of lava in the vent. Surely this is it!

But, 09:50 and things wind down again. By 09:57 HST there's just fumes coming out of the vent. Phooey.

But then 10:00 comes and the heavy lava flows kick in again. This time seems like the real deal. At 10:30 HST there's little spurts of lava flying up in the air over the vent, but more from gas than a steady fountain of lava. This looks promising!

11:30 HST and the color of the lava is definitely hotter, and the intensity has picked up to a definite dome and precursor to fountaining. The USGS calls Episode 56 as officially starting at 12:10 HST:

Alert Level: WATCH, Color Code: ORANGE 2026-11-05 22:29:12 UTC
HVO/USGS Volcanic Activity Notice

Volcano: Kilauea (VNUM #332010)

Current Volcano Alert Level: WATCH
Current Aviation Color Code: ORANGE

Issued: Thursday, November 5, 2026, 12:29 PM HST
Source: Hawaiian Volcano Observatory
Notice Number: 2026/H514
Location: N 19 deg 25 min W 155 deg 17 min
Elevation: 4091 ft (1247 m)
Area: Hawaii

Summary: Episode 56 of the ongoing Halemaʻumaʻu eruption began at 12:10 PM HST on November 5, 2026.

Volcanic Activity:
Episode 56 of lava fountaining in Halemaʻumaʻu began at the summit of Kīlauea began at 12:10 PM HST on November 5, 2026.

Lava fountain heights are relatively low at about 100 ft (30 meters), but will likely increase. Ground-level sensors near the eruptive vents indicate that winds are blowing from the northeast direction, which suggests that volcanic gas emissions and volcanic material may be distributed to the southwest direction from Halemaʻumaʻu.

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osu1991

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The Man With The Bag (2026) Prime

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Bad Day - Netflix

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MorCowbell

Last reply Today at 4:49 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Saved OTA list on Dish can't be appended

I have Dish with Hopper3. I choose to get local channels OTA and had a "guide list" established at my previous home. Having moved a few miles away, I wanted to update the list by appending a couple new stations via a rescan. As many would know, some stations come in with the UHF/VHF antenna aimed in one direction, while others come in better with a different direction.

Unfortunately, when a scan is done (bringing in 25-30 stations for that particular antenna aim), the dialog screen does not present the established guide list; it presents an empty field to the right that the scanned stations may be selected one by one and added to the empty guide. But because of antenna aim, some stations originally saved are missing, and would have to be retrieved with a different antenna aim. But as I explain, if a 2nd scan is done with a different antenna aim, the stations saved from the first scan are lost.

It troubles me that Dish didn't develop software that would allow a user to simply append only 1 or 2 channels to the established list.

Any thought on this? Has anyone experienced this or heard of this from others?

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dishstaller

Tuesday at 9:42 PM

I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.

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n0qcu

Yesterday at 10:41 AM

dishstaller said:
I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.

I am not sure about that but I do know that you could manually add additional channels just by entering the actual RF channel number and the older receivers would add the virtual channels to your list

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 11:11 AM

n0qcu said:
I am not sure about that but I do know that you could manually add additional channels just by entering the actual RF channel number and the older receivers would add the virtual channels to your list

Like I said.....that has been many years ago. Swapped my 722K for a Hopper in 2012.

It does seem like I remember having to delete the existing channels when we did a rescan. Back then our local stations KEPT monkeying around with things and it was non-stop complaints from customers about their channels not coming in. Got so bad that I stopped selling OR installing OTAs....something I had been doing since 1984 so you know it HAD to be pretty bad.

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MorCowbell

Today at 10:06 AM

You made one of my points for me with this comment, Dishstaller:

"... local stations KEPT monkeying around with things and it was non-stop complaints from customers about their channels not coming in ..."

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dennispap

Today at 4:08 PM

dishstaller said:
I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.

I remember that also on my 722.

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dishstaller

Today at 4:48 PM

dennispap said:
I remember that also on my 722.

Thanks.....has been too many years to remember clearly.

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Bobby

Today at 4:49 PM

Keep in mind that the 722 had a built in OTA tuner and the 722K had a plug in module for OTA. The Hoppers and Wallys use an add on USB OTA dongle. I believe they are entirely different.

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My F-You To Sam Altman

Time for another AWESOME video from Linus Tech Tips!

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Direct YouTube Link - My F-You To Sam Altman
Linus on Facebook
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watchOS 27.3 Beta - Siri Recap and Live Rewind Coming!

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!

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osu1991

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Last reply Today at 3:41 PM · posted in TV Shows

Marvel Television’s VisionQuest

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Oct 14 Disney+

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osu1991

Oct 14, 2026

Finished the 2nd episode tonight. I'm really liking it so far.

Still hate weekly releases though, especially the way Disney and HBO do it waiting until 8pm to premiere it.

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Foxbat

Oct 28, 2026

Apparently I'm not a big enough nerd

since I did not read every Marvel Comic Book ever published. If I had, I might be comparing the comics' version of events compared to what's transpiring in "Visionquest". So, I am enjoying the series a lot, not weighed down by previous expectations, knowing only the Avengers MCU movies and the "Wandavision" / "Agatha All Along" TV series.

I found the Mr Know-it-All channel from his discussion about "Star Trek: Strange New Worlds" and he's been gleefully picking these episodes apart, referencing the Marvel comics from the 1939 on. Turns out A.I. has been around since before World War II, at least in the comics. (Robots before that, yes, yes.) This show is going back into the archives.

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Foxbat

Today at 1:32 PM

I'm expecting the finale to basically bring Vision into play for the Doomsday movie next month.

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osu1991

Today at 2:06 PM

annoying they went with single episodes for the last two after releasing two a week for the first 3 weeks

Foxbat

Today at 3:41 PM

osu1991 said:
annoying they went with single episodes for the last two after releasing two a week for the first 3 weeks

I thought they were effectively releasing a longer episode 7 and 8 instead of shorter episodes 7 & 8 this week and 9 & 10 next week. It felt like they were packing more into this episode.

edit: But you're right, the run time of the first three pairs of episodes was 100 minutes on average. Episode 7 clocks in at 65 minutes.

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