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goaliebob99
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Guys I did some research on HD formats and digital formats as per required for a term paper im writing for class

I first stopped at the library of congress and looked up Bill S 1932 Subtitle D (the digital transition act) This is the new one passed on DEC20th05

I found some interesting things...

Under SEC. 3410. ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS

Section C
number 3.

`(3) MULTIPLE FORMATS PERMITTED- A satellite carrier may offer the primary video stream and program-related material of an eligible requesting station in any analog or digital format or formats, whether or not doing so requires conversion from the format transmitted by that eligible requesting station, so long as--
`(A) the satellite carrier offers the primary video stream and program-related material in the converted analog or digital format or formats without material degradation; and
`(B) also offers the primary video stream and program-related material in the manner or manners required by this subsection.


So Is dish Breaking the LAW?

Further more reading I found this…


`(8) DEFINITION OF STANDARD-DEFINITION FORMAT- For purposes of this subsection, a stream shall be in standard definition digital format if such stream meets the criteria for such format as specified in the standard recognized by the Commission in section 73.682 of its rules (47 CFR 73.682) or a successor regulation

Witch lead me to… no where.. So further more research lead me to..


http://www.cinemasource.com/articles/hist_politics_dtv.pdf

upon reading this nicely put together history of DTV I found this..


Formation of the Grand Alliance
Although the FCC had said in the spring of 1990 that it
would determine whether all-digital technology was
feasible for a terrestrial HDTV transmission standard, most
observers viewed that technology as being many years in
the future. Later the same year, however, General
Instrument became the first proponent to announce an alldigital
system. Later, all-digital systems were announced
by MIT, the Philips-Thomson-Sarnoff consortium, and
Zenith-AT&T.
The FCC anticipated the need for interoperability of the
HDTV standard with other media. Initially, the focus was
on interoperability with cable television and satellite
delivery; both were crucial to any broadcast standard. But
the value of interoperability with computer and
telecommunications applications became increasingly
apparent with the advent of all-digital systems.
Proponents later incorporated packetized transmission,
headers and descriptors, and composite-coded surround
sound in their subsystems. (The Philips-Thomson-Sarnoff
consortium was the first to do so.) These features
maximized the interoperability of HDTV with computer and
telecommunications systems. The introduction of all-digital
systems had made such interoperability a reality.
The all-digital systems set the stage for another important
AT&T; and one proposed by Sarnoff, Philips, and
Thomson. The Advisory Committee further decided that
although all of the digital systems provided impressive
results, no single system could be proposed to the FCC
as the U.S. HDTV standard at that time. The committee
ordered a round of supplementary tests to evaluate
improvements to the individual systems.
At its February 1993 meeting, the Advisory Committee
also adopted a resolution encouraging the digital HDTV
groups to try to find a way to merge the four remaining alldigital
systems. The committee recognized the merits of
being able to combine the best features of those systems
into a single "best of the best" system. With this
encouragement, negotiations between the parties heated
up, and on May 24, the seven companies involved
announced formation of the Digital HDTV Grand Alliance.
By the spring of 1994, significant progress had been made
toward the final HDTV system proposal. Teams of
engineers and researchers had finished building the
subsystems that would be integrated into the complete
HDTV prototype system for testing later in the year. The
subsystems—scanning formats, digital video compression,
packetized data, audio, and modulation—all had been
approved by the ACATS. Key features and specifications
for the system included:
Support of two fundamental arrays of pixels (picture
elements): 1920 x 1080 and 1280 x 720. Each of these
pixel formats supported a wide-screen 16:9 aspect ratio
and square pixels, important for computer interoperability.
Frame rates of 60, 30, and 24 Hz were supported, yielding
a total of six different possible scanning formats—two
different pixel arrays, each having three frame rates. The
60 and 30 Hz frame rates were important for video source
material and 24 Hz for film. A key feature of the system
was the Grand Alliance's commitment to using progressive
scanning, also widely used in computer displays.
Entertainment television traditionally had used interlaced
scanning, which was efficient but subject to various
unwanted artifacts. Of the six video formats, progressive
scanning was used in all three 720-line formats and in the
30 and 24 Hz 1080-line formats. The sixth video format
was a 60 Hz 1080-line scheme. It was neither technically
or economically feasible to initially provide this as a
progressive format, although it was a longer-term goal for
the Grand Alliance. The 1080-line, 60-Hz format was
handled in the initial standard by using interlaced rather
than progressive scanning.


So that lead me to this…

http://www.sbca.com/hdtv_index.asp

Satellite Broadcasting and Communications Association (SBCA)


On there page… Dish network is a partner to them and so is Directv.. I found

What makes HDTV better?
• Regular TV broadcasts have approximately 330 lines of resolution.
- vcr's have about 240 lines of resolution
- DVD's have a higher resolution usually between 400 and 480
• HDTV has up to 1080 lines of resolution
• Standard televisions have a 4 x 3 aspect ratio (4 units wide by 3 units high)
• HDTV is broadcast in a 16 x 9 format similar to movies
• The higher aspect ratio produces a more in depth and intense viewing experience
• HD broadcasts contain more information that standard television signals
• Along with the enhanced picture quality the HD broadcast also deliver digital sound. Some programs take it a step further and broadcast in Dolby ® Digital Surround Sound.
• There are 2 HDTV formats 1080 and 720 but there are few discernable differences. Click here to learn more about HDTV (Note * requires high speed internet connection)



And that's where I stopped..


What do you guys think so far? Am I on a right path or am I just totally wrong and off ??
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DJ Rob said:
Here's what Dish's web site says their HD is...

Now that's something of value. I bet we see that definition vanish.

Something along the sames lines to investigate would be the aspect ratio. Pretty much everything I have seen says HD is 16:9. 1280x1080 is not 16:9 unless you stretch it (and use non-square pixels). Is that allowed?
Spatch
So What dish is putting out is a in between 720p and 1080i? Would that not still be considered HD?
DJ Rob
Spatch said:
So What dish is putting out is a in between 720p and 1080i? Would that not still be considered HD?

They aren't putting out something between the two.
The are doing 1280X1080i which is less resolution than both.
1 second of video=

1920x1080i: 1920x1080x30 = 62,208,000 pixels
1280x720p: 1280x720x60 = 55,296,000 pixels

HD-Lite
1280x1080i: 1280x1080x30 = 41,472,000 pixels
B
Now if your going to compare like that you need to be fair.

1280x720x30 = 27,648,000 That is still an HD format.
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Spatch said:
So What dish is putting out is a in between 720p and 1080i? Would that not still be considered HD?

It doesn't put out a square pixel in a 16:9 format (ATSC published standards A/53), and isn't listed in the ATSC standard as a high definition format (ATSC publication A/54).

-sc
Bruce
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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All my parents had to do to get a discount on Spectrum Internet is say the words "Verizon Home Internet," and they cut the price by $30/month.
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NYDutch
All my parents had to do to get a discount on Spectrum Internet is say the words "Verizon Home Internet," and they cut the price by $30/month.
I don't think they'll go below the current $30 price since it's part of a deal they have with the non- profit that owns the apartment building.
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I don't think they'll go below the current $30 price since it's part of a deal they have with the non- profit that owns the apartment building.
Yeah, I was just saying Spectrum suddenly wants to keep what customers they can.
Tom Speer
Optimum, which bought up our previous cable company, Suddenlink (originally COX), replac ed all of their coax disdribution with Fiber several years ago. They ran new fiber links to the house, but installed RFOG (RF over glass) devices on the outside of the house, which makes the house coax system look like a cable system. They used DOCSIS modems and of course we had the same assymetric bandwidth of cable internet. When I called them a couple years ago, and said I had installed a connection to the local Fiber provideer, MetroNet, They panicked and offered me the 300 MBit "Fiber powered" cable service for $20 per month. They were bleeding customers. I cancelled my Metronet and went with the $20 deal for a year, even though I didn't like the old cable technology.

Then T-moble Fiber struck a deal with Metronet Fiber where T-mobile would take over the marketing, billing and customer relations for residential Customers. They offered a "Founders Deal" for 2 Gigabit service, symmetric speeds, for $70 per month for new customers. That included all taxes and fees and was guaranteed for 10 years. I couldn't resist. That deal is no longer offered, but I am set for 9 more years.

Now the successor to the old local telephone company, Brightspeed has also installed a modern Fiber system in the neighborhood, but won't be getting my business. But their Fiber technology is also superior to Optimums cable based system.

With Fiber competition, the cable companies are eventually doomed.
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Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
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Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
ncted
similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
"Business Intelligence" is more of an oxymoron than Military Intelligence.
ewindowman
Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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nelson61
Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
Scott Greczkowski
Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
Can't remember where or who I saw predict this. :D

It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
Bruce
It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
Scott Greczkowski
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
Bruce
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.
S
Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.
dish has new sats dtv does not
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dish has new sats dtv does not
Hate to say this no one is ordering Satellite TV. Both DISH and Direct no new customers.
After 25 years with centurylink DSL 80 speed i changed to Xfinity 300 speed for $50 wow lightning fast for streaming. Still have DISH 27 years with them. Americas 250 package for $103. What you think of superbox or vseebox for streaming is it legal?
Still dish is easy to operate and change channels. What will Charlie Ergen do with new super satellites with loosing customers with satellites and boost?
comfortably_numb
What you think of superbox or vseebox for streaming is it legal?

NO.
S
Hate to say this no one is ordering Satellite TV. Both DISH and Direct no new customers.
After 25 years with centurylink DSL 80 speed i changed to Xfinity 300 speed for $50 wow lightning fast for streaming. Still have DISH 27 years with them. Americas 250 package for $103. What you think of superbox or vseebox for streaming is it legal?
Still dish is easy to operate and change channels. What will Charlie Ergen do with new super satellites with loosing customers with satellites and boost?
While I agree but dish just launched a new sat. That can be used as an asset for Elon. Maybe he will repurpose em for his cell service. And if he wants tv to. God knows why he would but I think he will get a great deal on the contracts in place and equipment!!! I could think of better things to spend my money on. And to be honest Elon has nothing to offer me have blazing fast internet and ill never buy an ev. The veesee box and the super box are illegal.
tanman
For your viewing pleasure...
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dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a2cgQidHQJI
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Bobby
Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a2cgQidHQJI

That brought tears to my eyes.
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dishstaller
That brought tears to my eyes.
Really...REALLY hate to do this to you Bobby, but....


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsOo3jzkhYA&pp=ygUed29tYW4gaGVhcnMgZm9yIHRoZSBmaXJzdCB0aW1l
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Okay....if you think you can take it....this one brought tears to my eyes when I first saw it and did again just now.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/i5UCDwHMatg?feature=share
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dishstaller
This came up in my suggestions probably because of the video I posted. I had NO idea exactly what being color blind actually was. Now I understand why that man was so blown away with seeing the trees......a lot of color blind people see green as brown, so grass, trees, etc all look brown.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i18_RngKJDQ
Juan
Its a shame nobody told him orange was blue and red was purple etc etc etc
T
Often people who have organic vision or hearing activated as adults after never having had it cannot practically utilize it because their brains never developed the massive neural network needed to make sense of any of it.

Well, he sees in color, just differently. Can't he just enjoy that? My granny had anachromatic color blindness, meaning pretty much like a b&w tv
b4pjoe
Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
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harshness
Given that Tubi is one of the hottest FAST services out there, I don't expect it to go anywhere. Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?
Neutron
Another reason I'm glad we are swapping or Rokus out for Apple TVs. I was already planning on ditching the Rokus earlier this year and had been waiting on Apple to announce the new one last month. Our Rokus have had issues the last year or so with freezing video and reboots, and one with an HDCP issue randomly.
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dishstaller
Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?
That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads :facepalm
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TRG
Another reason I'm glad we are swapping or Rokus out for Apple TVs. I was already planning on ditching the Rokus earlier this year and had been waiting on Apple to announce the new one last month. Our Rokus have had issues the last year or so with freezing video and reboots, and one with an HDCP issue randomly.
Hmmm... I don't have any of those problems with my Roku devices. I have 3 of them.
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navychop
I suspect Fox will make me consider 2-3 more Apple TV STB purchases.
Jimbo
Hmmm... I don't have any of those problems with my Roku devices. I have 3 of them.
I have the Roku's, 2 or 3, I just rarely use them ... I prefer the Google/Android Sony set up.

People tell me that the Apps on the TV will end thier usefulness as they age ... They are doing ok for me so far ... I also have the TV take the App Updates whenever possible ... then again, I don't know how often App updates come to it.

So, so far, I'm doing ok, but if they start to get sluggish, I'll eventually change to a Roku ... I don't want to, but eventually ... (Or buy another new TV :eeek:shh:clapping:biggrin
R
I suspect Fox will make me consider 2-3 more Apple TV STB purchases.
As long as my Roku Ultra works I will use it. I use it for all of my streaming apps except for Prime. I read that Prime works best with Android TV's.
navychop
Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?
osu1991
Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?
Prime seems to have a problem passing the DV/HDR metadata to Roku and Apple devices, but no problem with their Fire devices.
Juan
That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads :facepalm
The ads are boring and repetitive...same ad over and over...bring back 1970s ads..might not be as big an issue
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Really Wanna Know You - Gary Wright
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Don't WANNA KNOW-Maroon 5
harshness
I Want to Know What Love Is - Foreigner
Bobby
Oh What A Night For Dancing - Barry White
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It's a Good Night for Singing - Jerry Jeff Walker
dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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Bobby
Regular$5.459​
Premium$5.899​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
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Billboard along I-10 had reg at $3.81 and diesel at $5.54
Bobby
Regular$5.399​
Premium$5.899​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
osu1991
$3.55
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$3.45 in Jane, MO.