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FIREBIRD81

Supporting Founder

Last reply Jan 12, 2006 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Clarification please on HD-Lite

I'm fairly confused here. Reading all the posts, I get the impression that Dish will be switching ALL of their HD channels to HD-Lite, but reading what Scott has reported, I get the impression that it is only VOOM. So which is it? Obviously, there's a big difference there. If it's just VOOM, I'm honestly not all that concerned---the 10 channels of VOOM haven't produced any new content that I've seen since they switched over to Dish. And all reports that I've seen of the coming channels (VOOM) and added content show avery slow paced growing of the service that is EXTREMELY unsatisfactory. Aside from RAVE and RUSH, there's not a hell of a lot on any of the VOOM channels that would appeal to a wide audience even if they WERE putting new content out here. Those channels don't even hold a candle to HDNET or DiscoveryHD.

Now, if ALL of the channels are going 1280 x 1080 then I see the anger. But I think the far more pressing issue with VOOM is CONTENT! 30 days of VOOM and you'll have seen everything they have (well, most of it). It doesn't make sense to pay for THAT at any resolution. BUt I get the impression here that people assume all of the channels are going hd-lite, but I've seen no reports of that from anyone in the know, so I would like some clarification.

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CPanther95

Jan 12, 2006

The core HD channels in the HD Pack are not HD-Lite. The outrage is the move to HD-Lite for the MPEG4 channels. When they switched the Voom channels on MPEG2 to HD-Lite and started messing with the CBS feed, the assumption was the better compression available via MPEG4 would mean that all the new channels would be in full HD. When they announced that all MPEG4 channels would be in HD-Lite, it sent up a red flag - especially since it was not accompanied by any announcement that this was only temporary.

If they assured subs that those channels that are currently full HD would remain that way, and that MPEG4 HD-Lite was only a temporary solution that would be corrected within xx months, you wouldn't see all the outrage. As it is, it appears more of a trend - and since MPEG4 is where everything is heading, it appears that E* subs are heading to an HD-Lite model and away from the full HD that they had. Until something is said to the contrary, the assumption has to be that the current full HD channels will be tampered with as soon as bandwidth restrictions require it.

Gary Murrell

Jan 12, 2006

Dish won't have any mpeg4 for over a year yet Panther, the reason the new Voom are 1280x1080i is that they are still mpeg2

they are mpeg2 with mpeg4 headers so only mpeg4 receivers can receive them

if Dish was heading towards HD-Lite, they wouldn't be launching Universal HD in 1920x1080i here in a week or 2

of which they are

there is some issue with Voom that Dish is not telling us about

Scott is right on the money, only Voom 10 and CBS East are HD-Lite right now on Dish

early December, Equator/Monsters/Animania where switched from 1920x1080i to HD-Lite 1280x1080i, this is where the confusion began, the other 7 Voom were HD-Lite from day one on Dish

this is Dish hear we are talking about, not Directv who has Zero respect for their customers or HDTV

-Gary

FIREBIRD81

Jan 12, 2006

CPanther95 said:
The core HD channels in the HD Pack are not HD-Lite. The outrage is the move to HD-Lite for the MPEG4 channels. When they switched the Voom channels on MPEG2 to HD-Lite and started messing with the CBS feed, the assumption was the better compression available via MPEG4 would mean that all the new channels would be in full HD. When they announced that all MPEG4 channels would be in HD-Lite, it sent up a red flag - especially since it was not accompanied by any announcement that this was only temporary.
If they assured subs that those channels that are currently full HD would remain that way, and that MPEG4 HD-Lite was only a temporary solution that would be corrected within xx months, you wouldn't see all the outrage. As it is, it appears more of a trend - and since MPEG4 is where everything is heading, it appears that E* subs are heading to an HD-Lite model and away from the full HD that they had. Until something is said to the contrary, the assumption has to be that the current full HD channels will be tampered with as soon as bandwidth restrictions require it.

See, this is where the confusion sets in. The only announcement I've seen are what Scott has been reporting and that is that VOOM is staying HD-Lite, or so I've understood. I haven't seen any reports that all of the new mpeg 4 channels will be 1280 x 1080. I'm certainly to trying to argue with you. I'm just reading both responses here and it's still not clear to me if it's just VOOM or ALL new channels.

CPanther95

Jan 12, 2006

Gary Murrell said:
Dish won't have any mpeg4 for over a year yet Panther, the reason the new Voom are 1280x1080i is that they are still mpeg2

I should have said MPEGfaux.

CPanther95

Jan 12, 2006

FIREBIRD81 said:
See, this is where the confusion sets in. The only announcement I've seen are what Scott has been reporting and that is that VOOM is staying HD-Lite, or so I've understood. I haven't seen any reports that all of the new mpeg 4 channels will be 1280 x 1080. I'm certainly to trying to argue with you. I'm just reading both responses here and it's still not clear to me if it's just VOOM or ALL new channels.

I'm operating under the same info you are - the issue is that the hope pre-CES was that none of the MPEG4 (fake or not) would be in HD-Lite. Although they are not actually MPEG4 yet, to this point, there has been no announcement that they intend to correct that at any time in the future - or that HD-Lite will be limited only to Voom channels.

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Bruce

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Last reply 17 minutes ago · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

Traditional/Streaming Live TV Providers Losses, 3rd Quarter 2026 Edition

Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

Comcast Just Lost 274,000 TV Customers & 144,000 Internet Customers In Just Three Months | Cord Cutters News

Comcast Corporation reported its third-quarter 2026 results on October 22, showing continued erosion in its domestic residential broadband internet and video customer bases as competitive pressures intensified across the connectivity market. The company recorded a net loss of 144,000 domestic...

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ncted

Yesterday at 12:06 PM

All my parents had to do to get a discount on Spectrum Internet is say the words "Verizon Home Internet," and they cut the price by $30/month.

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NYDutch

Yesterday at 12:38 PM

ncted said:
All my parents had to do to get a discount on Spectrum Internet is say the words "Verizon Home Internet," and they cut the price by $30/month.

I don't think they'll go below the current $30 price since it's part of a deal they have with the non- profit that owns the apartment building.

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ncted

Yesterday at 12:46 PM

NYDutch said:
I don't think they'll go below the current $30 price since it's part of a deal they have with the non- profit that owns the apartment building.

Yeah, I was just saying Spectrum suddenly wants to keep what customers they can.

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Tom Speer

Yesterday at 1:26 PM

Optimum, which bought up our previous cable company, Suddenlink (originally COX), replac ed all of their coax disdribution with Fiber several years ago. They ran new fiber links to the house, but installed RFOG (RF over glass) devices on the outside of the house, which makes the house coax system look like a cable system. They used DOCSIS modems and of course we had the same assymetric bandwidth of cable internet. When I called them a couple years ago, and said I had installed a connection to the local Fiber provideer, MetroNet, They panicked and offered me the 300 MBit "Fiber powered" cable service for $20 per month. They were bleeding customers. I cancelled my Metronet and went with the $20 deal for a year, even though I didn't like the old cable technology.

Then T-moble Fiber struck a deal with Metronet Fiber where T-mobile would take over the marketing, billing and customer relations for residential Customers. They offered a "Founders Deal" for 2 Gigabit service, symmetric speeds, for $70 per month for new customers. That included all taxes and fees and was guaranteed for 10 years. I couldn't resist. That deal is no longer offered, but I am set for 9 more years.

Now the successor to the old local telephone company, Brightspeed has also installed a modern Fiber system in the neighborhood, but won't be getting my business. But their Fiber technology is also superior to Optimums cable based system.

With Fiber competition, the cable companies are eventually doomed.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 4:26 PM

Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.

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savarese04

51 minutes ago

Foxbat said:
Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.

similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.

ncted

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savarese04 said:
similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.

"Business Intelligence" is more of an oxymoron than Military Intelligence.

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ewindowman

Lifetime Supporter

Last reply 23 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Bankruptcy - Business as Usual

Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th

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nelson61

Monday at 12:22 PM

Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.

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Scott Greczkowski

Monday at 1:25 PM

nelson61 said:
Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.

Can't remember where or who I saw predict this.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.

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Bruce

Tuesday at 10:17 AM

Scott Greczkowski said:
It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.

Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.

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Scott Greczkowski

Tuesday at 10:22 AM

Bruce said:
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.

I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.

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Bruce

Tuesday at 11:30 AM

Scott Greczkowski said:
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.

Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 2:54 AM

Bruce said:
Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.

dish has new sats dtv does not

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renjy651

Yesterday at 6:37 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
dish has new sats dtv does not

Hate to say this no one is ordering Satellite TV. Both DISH and Direct no new customers.
After 25 years with centurylink DSL 80 speed i changed to Xfinity 300 speed for $50 wow lightning fast for streaming. Still have DISH 27 years with them. Americas 250 package for $103. What you think of superbox or vseebox for streaming is it legal?
Still dish is easy to operate and change channels. What will Charlie Ergen do with new super satellites with loosing customers with satellites and boost?

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comfortably_numb

Yesterday at 8:31 AM

renjy651 said:
What you think of superbox or vseebox for streaming is it legal?

NO.

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 11:52 AM

renjy651 said:
Hate to say this no one is ordering Satellite TV. Both DISH and Direct no new customers.
After 25 years with centurylink DSL 80 speed i changed to Xfinity 300 speed for $50 wow lightning fast for streaming. Still have DISH 27 years with them. Americas 250 package for $103. What you think of superbox or vseebox for streaming is it legal?
Still dish is easy to operate and change channels. What will Charlie Ergen do with new super satellites with loosing customers with satellites and boost?

While I agree but dish just launched a new sat. That can be used as an asset for Elon. Maybe he will repurpose em for his cell service. And if he wants tv to. God knows why he would but I think he will get a great deal on the contracts in place and equipment!!! I could think of better things to spend my money on. And to be honest Elon has nothing to offer me have blazing fast internet and ill never buy an ev. The veesee box and the super box are illegal.

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dishstaller

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Last reply 47 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Color blind man sees full colors for first time at age 66

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Wednesday at 10:10 PM

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Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.

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That brought tears to my eyes.

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dishstaller

Wednesday at 10:12 PM

Bobby said:
That brought tears to my eyes.

Really...REALLY hate to do this to you Bobby, but....

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dishstaller

Wednesday at 10:15 PM

Okay....if you think you can take it....this one brought tears to my eyes when I first saw it and did again just now.

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dishstaller

Thursday at 11:32 PM

This came up in my suggestions probably because of the video I posted. I had NO idea exactly what being color blind actually was. Now I understand why that man was so blown away with seeing the trees......a lot of color blind people see green as brown, so grass, trees, etc all look brown.

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Juan

53 minutes ago

Its a shame nobody told him orange was blue and red was purple etc etc etc

telstar_1

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Often people who have organic vision or hearing activated as adults after never having had it cannot practically utilize it because their brains never developed the massive neural network needed to make sense of any of it.

Well, he sees in color, just differently. Can't he just enjoy that? My granny had anachromatic color blindness, meaning pretty much like a b&w tv

b4pjoe

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Last reply 58 minutes ago · posted in Computers and Gadgets

Fox Is Buying Roku in $22 Billion Deal

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harshness

Jun 25, 2026

Given that Tubi is one of the hottest FAST services out there, I don't expect it to go anywhere. Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?

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Neutron

Yesterday at 3:04 PM

Another reason I'm glad we are swapping or Rokus out for Apple TVs. I was already planning on ditching the Rokus earlier this year and had been waiting on Apple to announce the new one last month. Our Rokus have had issues the last year or so with freezing video and reboots, and one with an HDCP issue randomly.

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 3:06 PM

harshness said:
Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?

That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads :facepalm

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TRG

Yesterday at 9:50 PM

Neutron said:
Another reason I'm glad we are swapping or Rokus out for Apple TVs. I was already planning on ditching the Rokus earlier this year and had been waiting on Apple to announce the new one last month. Our Rokus have had issues the last year or so with freezing video and reboots, and one with an HDCP issue randomly.

Hmmm... I don't have any of those problems with my Roku devices. I have 3 of them.

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navychop

Yesterday at 10:36 PM

I suspect Fox will make me consider 2-3 more Apple TV STB purchases.

Jimbo

Today at 9:55 AM

TRG said:
Hmmm... I don't have any of those problems with my Roku devices. I have 3 of them.

I have the Roku's, 2 or 3, I just rarely use them ... I prefer the Google/Android Sony set up.

People tell me that the Apps on the TV will end thier usefulness as they age ... They are doing ok for me so far ... I also have the TV take the App Updates whenever possible ... then again, I don't know how often App updates come to it.

So, so far, I'm doing ok, but if they start to get sluggish, I'll eventually change to a Roku ... I don't want to, but eventually ... (Or buy another new TV :eeek

reubenray

Today at 12:50 PM

navychop said:
I suspect Fox will make me consider 2-3 more Apple TV STB purchases.

As long as my Roku Ultra works I will use it. I use it for all of my streaming apps except for Prime. I read that Prime works best with Android TV's.

navychop

Today at 1:03 PM

Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?

osu1991

Today at 1:11 PM

navychop said:
Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?

Prime seems to have a problem passing the DV/HDR metadata to Roku and Apple devices, but no problem with their Fire devices.

Juan

58 minutes ago

dishstaller said:
That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads

The ads are boring and repetitive...same ad over and over...bring back 1970s ads..might not be as big an issue

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Scott Greczkowski

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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

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Another example:

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Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Last reply Today at 12:47 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Gas Price Info With National Gas Temperature Map

Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
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Regular$5.459
Premium$5.899
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at Costco, Rohnert Park.

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Billboard along I-10 had reg at $3.81 and diesel at $5.54

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