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Tom Bombadil
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Please only respond to this poll if you presently own or lease one or more 921 or 942 HD DVR receivers and either are a current subscriber to Dish or were a subscriber who left recently because of the announced MPEG4 upgrade path.

Dish is offering to upgrade one of your 921/942 receivers per year to a leased 622 for $299. Or you may wait until April to be eligible for a $200 rebate, bringing the upgrade cost down to $99. This upgrade will include an upgrade to your satellite dish and switches to a D1000 dish if it is deemed necessary, for no extra cost.

There is no trade-in or discount program for an owned 9xx receiver for a non-leased 622. The upgrade path for multiple 9xx receivers is that you are eligible for one $299/$99 lease upgrade, but you would have to purchase addition 622's for $699 each.

In the meantime, you will be unable to view any of the 7 new HD channels, and your existing 921/942 receivers cannot be sold to anyone else and activated by them to receive present HD programming.

How do you feel about this upgrade path?
As an existing sub with 921/942 receiver(s), what think ye of the Dish upgrade path?
195 votes total
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jmd102354
waltinvt said:
Be darned if I can find it now but there was an article referenced in the last couple days in one of the threads that said churn was up for both "D" & "E", which I assume means subs are migrating more to cable.

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Just received a reply from my local cable company. (Blue Ridge) I should have all local HD channels plus all that Dish offers minus VOOM by the end of the summer. Plus high speed internet. Perfect timing ! :D
Tom Bombadil
I read on another thread that a CSR offered someone a $25 credit if they returned their owned/purchased 921 when they were upgrading to a new receiver.

Methinks most 921 owners had hoped for a bit better offer than that.
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I posted my ordeal with the sh!tty 921 in another thread. I would love to switch providers, but so far, nothing else seems worth it (I can't get FiOS, and it will probably be a while). I will say that it takes some balls to take $525 of my money less than a year ago for the POS 921 (I am on POS unit #3) and then have the audacity to say, "Well you can upgrade that POS to an unproven product for only $99!" all the while charging me $5 a month to lease the new product. If only it would end there. Sad thing is, we cannot even recoup any of the money spent because they require us to turn in the 921. Even if they let us keep it, it would be worthless because anyone that bought our old unit would not be able to activate it.

Bottom line, no doubt the 9xx owners should get a free upgrade! I was definitely ripped off with the 921 (as many others, I am sure), but I would be willing to let that slide if I felt like I was being taken care of. But what happens when Charlie refuses to negotiate with bigger channels (a la Lifetime), thus cancelling stations I might actually watch? And what happens if the 622 is as big a POS as the 921? Just seems awefully risky to me. It is becoming more and more obvious that DishNet has no problems biting the hand that feeds either.

Bryan
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I have mixed feelings on this whole 921 upgrade. I paid $950 for my 921 because I wanted a HD OTA receiver with DVR capability. Needless to say I loved the 921 when it worked - and hated it when it didn't. I tried the old Dish HP pack for a couple of months but dropped it as the content wasn't worth the price.

The $99 upgrade after rebate sounds good at first considering they have to come out and replace my Dish 500 antenna as well as the legacy LNB's to my 3 receivers. However - I have to pony up $20 a month for the new HD package for 18 months that I may or may not enjoy.

Dish has no plans to put my locals (Richmond) on satillite in HD so there's no incentive there (I wish my OTA HD wouldn't suffers from multi-path dropouts).

Then to cap it all off, another HD enabling fee for the 622 if I drop the HD package after 18 months!

If my 921 were not so buggy I would pass on this deal, but I need to dump it.

I hope the 622 does not suffer the same beta testing for a year.

Lou
Tom Bombadil
Miserable Grade for Dish

The polls have closed.

The votes were extremely consistent over the week that the poll was open. The 2nd set of 50 votes were almost identical to the 3rd set of 50 votes which were extremely similar to the last 45 votes.

In the end, 195 votes were tallied. A decent number.

109 of the 195 votes were for "very dissatisfied." Whew! That's BAD!
150 of the 195 votes were for somewhat or very dissatisfied. 77% dissatisfied!!

I work for a company that rolls out new products and services. We do survey our customers to guage how well those rollouts go. In this type of survey, we give 3 points to every vote for "Very Satisfied", 2 points for a "Somewhat satisfied," 1 point for "Somewhat satisfied," and 0 points for a "Very Dissatisfied."

Our goal on a rollout is to achieve an overall average of at least 2.0. That's a solid, if unspectacular score.

Our scale is:

2.5 Terrific. Bonuses for responsible parties.
2.2 Very good. Pats on the backs.
2.0 Good, solid effort.
1.8 Marginally acceptable. Teams should review their processes.
1.5 Unacceptable. Serious management review required.
1.2 Terrible. Management review for re-assignment or dismissal of project leader

Dish's score from the 195 votes was a 0.9

For us this score would mean the rollout was an abysmal catastrophe.

Now this survey does not reflect people's overall satisfaction with Dish, that score is probably much higher. In fact, it would have to be much higher for Dish to be in business. But as far as the way Dish handled the rollout/upgrade for their 921/942 high end HD DVR customers, it shows extreme dissatisfaction.
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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All Night Long - Joe Walsh
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Night Fever - Bee Gees
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Night By Night - Steely Dan
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Day By Day - Godspell
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Derk Day - Steve Walsh
ewindowman
Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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Bruce
tanman
For your viewing pleasure...
comfortably_numb
For your viewing pleasure...

That's ok, I'm sure Verizon will be happy to take them.
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dishstaller
That's ok, I'm sure Verizon will be happy to take them.
That's ALL Verizon needs.....more congested towers :mad:
comfortably_numb
That's ALL Verizon needs.....more congested towers :mad:

They don't care... they're milkin' the cow. Buddying up with Elon to provide him an MVNO network will make their investors and shareholders salivate. All of their recent marketing efforts have failed, so this move makes a lot of sense.
fmj77
Mr. Morris is no journalist. That article reads like a political hit job.
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b4pjoe
Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in Computers and Gadgets
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harshness
Given that Tubi is one of the hottest FAST services out there, I don't expect it to go anywhere. Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?
dishstaller
Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?
That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads :facepalm
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navychop
Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?
osu1991
Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?
Prime seems to have a problem passing the DV/HDR metadata to Roku and Apple devices, but no problem with their Fire devices.
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Juan
That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads :facepalm
The ads are boring and repetitive...same ad over and over...bring back 1970s ads..might not be as big an issue
HipKat
Shouldn't this thread be in the IPTV forum?
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dishstaller
The ads are boring and repetitive...same ad over and over...bring back 1970s ads..might not be as big an issue
Had a customer come in a couple weeks ago to pay her internet bill. She let me know in no uncertain terms that she did NOT appreciate me running the same ads over and over. I looked at her and waited for her to laugh and say she was just joking.......still waiting for that laugh.
osu1991
Shouldn't this thread be in the IPTV forum?
There is one there too. I would think either is justifiable as they make both the device and provide a streaming program service.

Ramy
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
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Parity is growing in College Football. Making it even harder to tell who is better than each other.
rvvaquero
Parity is growing in College Football. Making it even harder to tell who is better than each other.
I agree to a point. The transfer policy is creating parity, but only for the top 20-25 teams. The other 110+ teams in the FBS are just breeding grounds for the bigger schools which have more money and more recruiting appeal.

If a smaller school recruits, trains, and matures a quality player, they can't keep them past their sophomore year because the bigger schools snatch them up. Example: LSU didn't cultivate Sam Leavitt, they just harvested him from other schools. LSU is a top contender, in large part because of Leavitt. Michigan State and Arizona State.................are not. If either of those schools had been able to retain his services, who knows where they would be now.
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
Coach says afternoon game result of SEC "conspiracy". The rivalry game vs. Ala. will kick off in the afternoon at Baton Rouge rather than at night, which head coach Lane Kiffin says is intentional in order to neutralize fan craziness and noise, which is believed to help lead to wins for squads playing at home. "Obviously the SEC wanted to change this year from how it had been to give LSU less advantage, (considering) how well LSU plays at night and how intimidating it is to play here. So I guess when I look at it that way, I'm not surprised."

But he's come up with an ingenious solution. "Go to bed earlier Fri. night, then start your day earlier. Have breakfast earlier. Start drinking earlier. Whatever your routine is, just move it up."

Meantime ads have been running for a "Protect College Sports Act" moving through Congress.
Bruce
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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Tom Speer
Optimum, which bought up our previous cable company, Suddenlink (originally COX), replac ed all of their coax disdribution with Fiber several years ago. They ran new fiber links to the house, but installed RFOG (RF over glass) devices on the outside of the house, which makes the house coax system look like a cable system. They used DOCSIS modems and of course we had the same assymetric bandwidth of cable internet. When I called them a couple years ago, and said I had installed a connection to the local Fiber provideer, MetroNet, They panicked and offered me the 300 MBit "Fiber powered" cable service for $20 per month. They were bleeding customers. I cancelled my Metronet and went with the $20 deal for a year, even though I didn't like the old cable technology.

Then T-moble Fiber struck a deal with Metronet Fiber where T-mobile would take over the marketing, billing and customer relations for residential Customers. They offered a "Founders Deal" for 2 Gigabit service, symmetric speeds, for $70 per month for new customers. That included all taxes and fees and was guaranteed for 10 years. I couldn't resist. That deal is no longer offered, but I am set for 9 more years.

Now the successor to the old local telephone company, Brightspeed has also installed a modern Fiber system in the neighborhood, but won't be getting my business. But their Fiber technology is also superior to Optimums cable based system.

With Fiber competition, the cable companies are eventually doomed.
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Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
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Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
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similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
"Business Intelligence" is more of an oxymoron than Military Intelligence.
TRG
TRG
Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
I have gigabit fiber in an underground box on my property. But it's not lit up yet so I'm stuck with copper too. For now anyway.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
After a strange reboot last night in the middle of viewing, this morning several more reboots and about a half an hour download.
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Almighty1
Just did the update check manually about an hour ago with Hopper 3 on H713 and Hopper Plus on P15403.
Noticed something new when I clicked on the Update Software, it presented a pop-up as follows:
"Update software 1573
Update later Update now Cancel" with those three buttons which did not exist before.

After updating the H715 - I guess there must be major bugs as both H709 and H714 were skipped.

So here are the issue(s):

Issue #1
It did fix the problem with H713 which was:
"One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software."

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency so H711 and H712 were working without that dependency but H713 brought it back which is fixed in H715 as no P versions or Android TV versions are shown in the Available Joey Software on the main Diagnostics screen.
However, with that said, the TECHNICIAN SETTINGS, Download ATV (Android TV) Files is not working correctly as the Download ATV Files shows:
"Download ATV Files 3000
Download in progress. This operation will be
complete when the files are downloaded

Joey 4 : P554- Failed
Joey 4 : P55403- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P654- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P65403- Complete
HopperPlus : P154- Complete
HopperPlus : P15403- Failed

OK"
From what I can tell, each of them goes through the Downloading followed by the Processing stages first before it goes into the Failed or Complete stage. It seemed to be going in a loop earlier as it will start downloading from the first item being the Joey 4 each time before it eventually stopped. This is the first time ever since 2023 that I had ever seen it Failed.

With that said, the dependency appears to still be required for the Hopper Plus to check, download and update the Android TV software as it says Failed, No Target when going to "Device Preferences", About, "Software Update"

Issue #2
Still cannot cast to Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus(Software P15317) with the Hopper Plus "Google Chromecast Built-In" feature" as it shows up as a casting device when the Hopper Plus is online and disappears when the Hopper 3 and Hopper Plus does it's nightly reboots but times out when one tries to cast to it and always shows up as Not available in the Google Home app on Android phone. No one else anywhere on the internet had confirmed whether it is working for them or not. Per brittanygarden in DM on October 16, 2026:
"We've been working with Google on this. We have a fix on the Google side projected for Q4. I know we're in Q4 now, but I will try to get a narrowed down timeline for you."

brittanygarden and Rick Durham

jsmit86 and naptime - If you are able to use H715, does the issue mentioned below still exist?
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dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a2cgQidHQJI
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Bobby
Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a2cgQidHQJI

That brought tears to my eyes.
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dishstaller
That brought tears to my eyes.
Really...REALLY hate to do this to you Bobby, but....


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsOo3jzkhYA&pp=ygUed29tYW4gaGVhcnMgZm9yIHRoZSBmaXJzdCB0aW1l
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dishstaller
Okay....if you think you can take it....this one brought tears to my eyes when I first saw it and did again just now.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/i5UCDwHMatg?feature=share
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dishstaller
This came up in my suggestions probably because of the video I posted. I had NO idea exactly what being color blind actually was. Now I understand why that man was so blown away with seeing the trees......a lot of color blind people see green as brown, so grass, trees, etc all look brown.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i18_RngKJDQ
Juan
Its a shame nobody told him orange was blue and red was purple etc etc etc
T
Often people who have organic vision or hearing activated as adults after never having had it cannot practically utilize it because their brains never developed the massive neural network needed to make sense of any of it.

Well, he sees in color, just differently. Can't he just enjoy that? My granny had anachromatic color blindness, meaning pretty much like a b&w tv