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jalegria11

Last reply Feb 11, 2006 · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

WHY...should I upgrade to the H-20 and AT-9 RIGHT NOW?

Hello everyone, I am somehow new at this... I jumped into the HD wagon a week and a half ago... and I am already thinking of upgrading!

I currently have a (week and a half old) H-10, and a (3-year-old) three LNB dish, and everything works great!
Great signal, fine HD programming package, and $5 off for the next 6 months.

I do not get any OTA channels after I tried using a Terk amplified HD indoor antenna without any success (no signal). I am in Centreville, VA on ground level in an apartment building. It seems the DC HD OTA channels are not close enough. And per antennaweb.org info. it was recommended to use a "LARGE" antenna which is out of the question.

Yesterday, I called D* and told them how miserable I felt for not being able to watch the Music Awards or the upcoming Torino Olympic games in HD.

I ended up agreeing on an "upgrade" appointment (2/20) for the H-20 and the AT-9 and a "new... 2 year-agreement" ...

The upfront charge was 99.00 (install charge) + 14.95 (handling) + .75 (tax...)
After reading I could knock off some money off this charge or maybe...get it free, D* ended up taking off $50.00.

My grand "upgrade" total + installation for the H-20 and AT-9 comes at $64.70 which is definitely cheaper than buying the AT-9 on e-B* or going through the runaround of buying a new H-20 and then getting a $200 rebate check from D* before 2/28.

After all,

Why should I upgrade now? Should I wait?

I am still not 100% sure if I should change my MPEG-2 "new-perfectly-working OTA-less" HD set-up...

Is there better image quality on SD and HD channels with this upgrade?

Or is it mainly an upgrade "for upcoming MPEG-4 HD use" and the "upgrade catch" is getting your local HD channels included in your HD package?

"To upgrade, or not to upgrade"

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jalegria11

Feb 10, 2006

That is true! maybe the H-10 OTA input components were made so they would not pick up enough signal.
I even hooked up an extra UHF amplifier... and still had a weak signal.
I kept seeing the signal on only ONE... non-HD OTA channel going from 50 to 0... and it would not stay.

Now when you say you can get your locals on MPEG-4; how do you know?
Is there a website which tells you if the channels are transmitted in MPEG-2 or-4 in your market?

Would that be the new craze... MPEG-4?
Is this the way D* will get ahead on the "dish" game?

Thanks to your comments I think I will stick with my "upgrade" appointment, and go from there, and maybe ALSO get the DB2 and get the best of ALL HD worlds!

:up

Jimbo

Feb 11, 2006

jalegria11 said:
That is true! maybe the H-10 OTA input components were made so they would not pick up enough signal.
I even hooked up an extra UHF amplifier... and still had a weak signal.
I kept seeing the signal on only ONE... non-HD OTA channel going from 50 to 0... and it would not stay.

Now when you say you can get your locals on MPEG-4; how do you know?
Is there a website which tells you if the channels are transmitted in MPEG-2 or-4 in your market?

Would that be the new craze... MPEG-4?
Is this the way D* will get ahead on the "dish" game?

Thanks to your comments I think I will stick with my "upgrade" appointment, and go from there, and maybe ALSO get the DB2 and get the best of ALL HD worlds!

:up

Go with the antenna, you will be happier.

Mpeg4 will be the standard in a year or so, just now starting to roll out.
If you are in an area where it is available, you can get the new equipment...needed for mpeg4,
Suppose to be a beter overall picture, I have not seen mpeg4 in my area yet, so I cannot give an opinion on it,

I HOPE with the additional bandwidth, they use some to improve the SD as well, I know thay can do that ..Question is WILL they ?

Yes that is the way D* will get ahead IN the Dish Game.

btw, I don't expect to see the true offerings, everthing up and working the way D* hopes for, untill after the last Sat goes up and is up and running.
Evetything till that time, is still in the learning and changing stage.

Jimbo

drbonbi

Feb 11, 2006

jalegria11 said:
I checked the D* site: http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/see/LocalChannels.jsp
(20121) and it was also confirmed by the D* rep) and there are local OTA HD channels available for the Washington DC market. ABC, NBC, FOX, and CBS.

By the way, does anyone know if PBS and UPN are included in other D* local HD markets?

I currently get my local "unwatchable"... SD channels with my D* package.
That's why I am tempted... to upgrade... after seeing the difference!

How is the H20 superior? (Besides the MPEG-4 capability)
Is there a better picture for SD channels, and any noticeable improvement on HD channels?

Thanx for your comments!
I still have about 8-10 days to decide...

I do not believe that PBS stations or UPN are included in the MPEG4 package anywhere. My experience like other posters here is that the H20 PQ is superior across the board as compared with my old Sammy 360. And OTA reception is outstanding. You could have the best of both worlds with MPEG4 stations and OTA reception of others that are available with the H20.

Dana

jalegria11

Feb 11, 2006

IN....

Now... do you think it would be a good idea to buy the DB2 antenna and have the installer take care of it?

Or should I request the "PIZZA" OTA antenna from D*?

My 3 LNB dish is actually installed on a pole inside a large plastic bucket full of cement.

Works great for an apartment! :up (no attachments to the building whatsoever!)
I always thought my landlord had some kind of deal with Comcast CABLE...
They kept bugging me about my dish...

What's funny! is how now I drive around my neighborhood, and see SEVERAL ground level apartments with MY SAME SETUP !!!

THE FAMOUS.... "DISH IN A BUCKET" !!! ( I should patent the idea!)
It definitely makes the dish "PORTABLE" and safe against the wind.

Now, back to my point.... can the DB2 be installed below the dish?

Also, to those who have the AT-9 (hopefully installed on a pole...)
What is the pole diameter?
My 3 LNB dish is right now installed on a 5.5 inch diameter pole.

Would it be possible to just take the 3 LNB off and exchange it with the AT-9?

Thanks once again, for all your replies!

:up

Jimbo

Feb 11, 2006

jalegria11 said:
IN....

Now... do you think it would be a good idea to buy the DB2 antenna and have the installer take care of it?

Or should I request the "PIZZA" OTA antenna from D*?

My 3 LNB dish is actually installed on a pole inside a large plastic bucket full of cement.

Works great for an apartment! :up (no attachments to the building whatsoever!)
I always thought my landlord had some kind of deal with Comcast CABLE...
They kept bugging me about my dish...

What's funny! is how now I drive around my neighborhood, and see SEVERAL ground level apartments with MY SAME SETUP !!!

THE FAMOUS.... "DISH IN A BUCKET" !!! ( I should patent the idea!)
It definitely makes the dish "PORTABLE" and safe against the wind.

Now, back to my point.... can the DB2 be installed below the dish?

Also, to those who have the AT-9 (hopefully installed on a pole...)
What is the pole diameter?
My 3 LNB dish is right now installed on a 5.5 inch diameter pole.

Would it be possible to just take the 3 LNB off and exchange it with the AT-9?

Thanks once again, for all your replies!

:up

Go with the DB2 , instead of the pizza shaped one from D*, the ones D* sends generally are not very good.
Also, I would install the DB2 myself if possible, I doubt that D* would take responsability for mounting it ...

Jimbo

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Gary Toma

Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge

Last reply 7 minutes ago · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum

DIRECTV Transponder Map ~ Data 10/21/2026

The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:

National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)

Additional tabs provide:

OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders

Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions

DIRECTV_TPN_Map_261021.xlsx 1,876 KB

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jamieh1

Wednesday at 8:24 PM

Now in the Hornets and Hurricanes markets we just get the TV promise screen. But Directv still charges sports fee I am assuming.
Luckily my DTV stream package doesn't have a rsn fee. Figure DTV that always says is the leader in sports would have come to an agreement by now.

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KyL416

Wednesday at 9:33 PM

jamieh1 said:
Now in the Hornets and Hurricanes markets we just get the TV promise screen. But Directv still charges sports fee I am assuming.

Greenville-New Bern is $11.99 for MASN (Orioles) and Nationals
Raleigh is $11.99 for MASN and Nationals
Charlotte is $12.99 for BravesVision, MASN, Nationals and Reds

The fee in NC also includes the higher in state rate they have to pay for ACCN. Down in SC the fee is $15.99 as they are also a SEC state.
I'm not sure if they're doing it with those teams, but in some markets they also use the fee to cover the additional cost they have to pay for independents and MyNet stations that picked up full season NHL and NBA rights.

If you go to the TVPromise site, you'll likely be able to get a credit for not getting the Hurricanes and additional Hornets games that air on WITN-D2

jamieh1 said:
Figure DTV that always says is the leader in sports would have come to an agreement by now.

Part of the hold out might be the packaging and price for outer areas like how the Thunder needs sports pack for other states. Hopefully they are also pushing for a guarantee from the teams that they would require whoever wins their local broadcasting rights in 2028 to negotiate with MVPDs. Commercial distribution rights are probably a factor too.

I'm guessing they got a deep discount for the Clippers based on how long it took them to officially announce ClipperVision and their KTLA simulcasts after they were basically handed a multi-year draft death penalty.

The Predators and Pistons channels are using feeds supplied by Scripps Sports

The Heat likely depends on whoever they sign for the Fort Myers DMA, as there's no point in paying a high price for the Heat just for that DMA when WPLG is streaming it for free on their app and website for viewers in the Miami DMA, and they already carry the West Palm Beach station.

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cp2k

Yesterday at 10:02 AM

KyL416 said:
If you go to the TVPromise site, you'll likely be able to get a credit for not getting the Hurricanes and additional Hornets games that air on WITN-D2

I tried this with both the Hurricanes and Hornets since I'm in upstate SC, and wasn't offered any kind of credit by the site. It's not a huge deal to me as I can pick up WSOC/WAXN over the air at my location even though I'm outside the Charlotte market.

TheRatPatrol

Yesterday at 12:39 PM

I thought the NBA TV contracts were short term as the NBA is trying to get all of the teams into in an all in one streaming app?

KyL416

Yesterday at 3:13 PM

649 GRZLLIES and 671 PACERS are now available.

The rest are still pointing to the TV Promise slate

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SatZach

Last reply 11 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Hello again

I haven't posted in almost 17 years. Over the air, sat, offline, anything-but-the-internet is still one of my avid pursuits. Been playing with offline tv viewing and offline web browsing. I have great appreciations for this site still being here. It's so hard to find public communities that haven't sold out to social media company.

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dishstaller

17 minutes ago

Got to admit, I had to look up "offline web browsing". I had never heard of it.

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Scott Greczkowski

15 minutes ago

Welcome back, as you can see we branched off into a bunch of things since Satellite is what it is now, so lots to talk about here.

Jimbo

11 minutes ago

dishstaller said:
Got to admit, I had to look up "offline web browsing". I had never heard of it.

From what I understand, it's just saving a article or whatever, to Save it so you can read it later ....
Unless he's talking something entirely different ... the way I am looking at it, you Still need the Internet to load it originally.

Bruce

Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter

Last reply 16 minutes ago · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

How things have changed

I was reading this article

Cable TV ‘cord-cutters’ became the majority in 2022

The steady decline of cable and broadcast television, and the rise of streaming services, reached a sort of inflection point over the past year. Last summer, for the first time, streaming ser…

thehill.com

That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.

Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.

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Bruce

Today at 8:58 AM

And again, 15 months in a row, streaming wins-

Cable and Broadcast added together-36.4%

Streaming with a massive 49.6%, 13.2% higher than Broadcast/Streaming.

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Jimbo

Today at 11:08 AM

Bruce said:
And again, 15 months in a row, streaming wins-

Cable and Broadcast added together-36.4%

Streaming with a massive 49.6%, 13.2% higher than Broadcast/Streaming.

View attachment 194983

Your Still Thrilled about all this ?

These numbers will Never be accurate as many people use Both still ...

You have services like Hulu Live and You Tube TV that do, what you call Cable, but they ARE Streaming, so Which is is ?

Does it get counted 2x as both Streaming and Cable ?

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b4pjoe

Today at 11:17 AM

Jimbo said:
Your Still Thrilled about all this ?

These numbers will Never be accurate as many people use Both still ...

You have services like Hulu Live and You Tube TV that do, what you call Cable, but they ARE Streaming, so Which is is ?

Does it get counted 2x as both Streaming and Cable ?

I think Hulu Live, YTTV, Fubo, and DIRECTV stream among others like my Internet provider has a TV service like Broadcast/Cable but it streams like the four services I mentioned and would be listed under Broadcast/Cable. Imagine how bad the numbers would be if they were listed under streaming and not Broadcast/Cable. I'm sure someone will correct me if that is wrong though.

Jimbo

Today at 11:19 AM

b4pjoe said:
I think Hulu Live, YTTV, Fubo, and DIRECTV stream among others like my Internet provider has a TV service like Broadcast/Cable but it streams like the four services I mentioned and would be listed under Broadcast/Cable. Imagine how bad the numbers would be if they were listed under streaming and not Broadcast/Cable. I'm sure someone will correct me if that is wrong though.

Well, your showing the same as I am, its impossible to get those that use both, as well as those that ARE both.

b4pjoe

Today at 11:23 AM

Jimbo said:
Well, your showing the same as I am, its impossible to get those that use both, as well as those that ARE both.

Well they are both but I think they are only counted as Broadcast/Cable/Other.

Bruce

Today at 1:08 PM

b4pjoe said:
Well they are both but I think they are only counted as Broadcast/Cable/Other.

Jimbo said:
But, Originally they were Streaming ...

be4joe is correct, YTTV and the likes are not included in streaming, from Nielsen's FAQ-

What about live streaming on Hulu and YouTube?

Linear streaming via vMVPD apps (e.g., Hulu Live, YouTube TV) are excluded from the streaming category.

Jimbo

Today at 1:16 PM

But they ARE Streaming as well, so they Should be counted as both, which would make the Streaming numbers even More prominate.

Q.
Who does the Counting for Streaming ?

Neilson does the Broadcast/Cable ...

b4pjoe

Today at 1:25 PM

Jimbo said:
But they ARE Streaming as well, so they Should be counted as both, which would make the Streaming numbers even More prominate.

Q.
Who does the Counting for Streaming ?

Neilson does the Broadcast/Cable ...

But they are basically airing a number of live channels just like Broadcast, Cable, and Others so that is why they are counted that way.

Bruce

Today at 1:31 PM

Jimbo said:
But they ARE Streaming as well, so they Should be counted as both, which would make the Streaming numbers even More prominate.

Q.
Who does the Counting for Streaming ?

Neilson does the Broadcast/Cable ...

Same.

Ratings for streaming content is extremely accurate, since the service knows who is watching what and when, when we hit ok on our remotes.

Ratings for Broadcast/Cable shows has always been a estimate.

Jimbo

16 minutes ago

Bruce said:
Same.

Ratings for streaming content is extremely accurate, since the service knows who is watching what and when, when we hit ok on our remotes.

Ratings for Broadcast/Cable shows has always been a estimate.

If I flip thru shows on an app, 3-4 in a few minutes, does that still show that I watched the whole episode ?

If I watch the Super Bowl for 5 minutes, does that count as watching the Super Bowl ?
Is it the same if I just watched the Commercials.

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23 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Been putting off buying a front/rear dashcam. This Civil Rights Lawyer video now has me moving forward

This was actually one of the more disturbing videos I've seen on this channel. IF this guy hadn't been driving a Tesla which has 360 degree cams, he would probably become a felon and had his life ruined.....all because of a lying cop. The other officers in this video didn't impress me too much either, their whole mentality was how can we nail this guy.
This is a perfect example of why I'm always a bit nervous when I get below Perry, FL. There is a huge difference between north and south Florida and everyone who lives here knows this.

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As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.

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Tuesday at 1:54 PM

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Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 2:25 PM · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

New Gemini Box

The following is from Reddit. -
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/DirectvStream/s/orzHBkmqQW

There appears to be a new DIRECTV Gemini OTT box, the C81KW-650.

The FCC listing is partially available, and a Geekbench entry confirms it uses an Amlogic S905X5, a solid SoC for a set-top box.

I also see 4GB of RAM, and the manufacturer is SEI Robotics.

DIRECTV C81KW OTT Box - Android TV Guide

Ok found a picture of the Box too on Reddit:

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/DirectvStream/comments/1twlex0/comment/opzeqi1/

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GRB1959

Sep 23, 2026

A new Gemini box for DirecTV streaming possibly becoming available in January of 2027? That would be welcome news.

I have been exploring leaving Dish DBS ever since a software update around Aug. 10, version H711 and now H712, is causing problems with IR signals and the Dish Hopper 3. As a result my Sofabaton X2 universal remote no longer works perfectly as it did prior to the H711 and H712 Dish Hopper 3 firmware updates.

I have been a little leary of the current hardware available for DirecTV streaming as the Gemini Ospry box fits my needs, however they are getting a little long in the tooth and finding the 4GB RAM (SKU: 60233) Osprey box complete with remote and power cable is somewhat challenging. I see that the 2GB RAM Osprey boxes (SKU: 60164) can be found on Ebay and at Walmart online used, however a 4GB Osprey box is preferred.

Now I wonder if I should just wait it out until the new Gemini box for DirecTV streaming becomes available. I want a box with an Ethernet port and the Gemini Air is WiFi only. If the new Gemini box does become available in January of 2027 will it be lease only via DirecTV or will we be allowed to purchase them?

slow_poke_pete

Sep 23, 2026

GRB1959 said:
A new Gemini box for DirecTV streaming possibly becoming available in January of 2027? That would be welcome news.

I have been exploring leaving Dish DBS ever since a software update around Aug. 10, version H711 and now H712, is causing problems with IR signals and the Dish Hopper 3. As a result my Sofabaton X2 universal remote no longer works perfectly as it did prior to the H711 and H712 Dish Hopper 3 firmware updates.

I have been a little leary of the current hardware available for DirecTV streaming as the Gemini Ospry box fits my needs, however they are getting a little long in the tooth and finding the 4GB RAM (SKU: 60233) Osprey box complete with remote and power cable is somewhat challenging. I see that the 2GB RAM Osprey boxes (SKU: 60164) can be found on Ebay and at Walmart online used, however a 4GB Osprey box is preferred.

Now I wonder if I should just wait it out until the new Gemini box for DirecTV streaming becomes available. I want a box with an Ethernet port and the Gemini Air is WiFi only. If the new Gemini box does become available in January of 2027 will it be lease only via DirecTV or will we be allowed to purchase them?

there leased at 10.00 per box. unless you can find em at ebay or wally world where people have gotten em before. or you could get a roku apple tv firestick if you don't need the channel numbers

GRB1959

Sep 23, 2026

slow_poke_pete said:
there leased at 10.00 per box. unless you can find em at ebay or wally world where people have gotten em before. or you could get a roku apple tv firestick if you don't need the channel numbers

I appreciate the reply. My wife will be using this as well so a numeric keypad to change channels that actually works is a must and I want it to have a hardwired Ethernet port so that leaves the Gemini box as my only real choice.

dishstaller

Today at 12:43 PM

GRB1959 said:
I want it to have a hardwired Ethernet port so that leaves the Gemini box as my only real choice.

The Roku Ultra series (the larger square box models that attach via hdmi) have ethernet ports

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b4pjoe

Today at 1:28 PM

dishstaller said:
The Roku Ultra series (the larger square box models that attach via hdmi) have ethernet portsView attachment 194992

This thread is about the new box for the DIRECTV Stream service. And yes it has an Ethernet port also.

dishstaller

Today at 1:51 PM

b4pjoe said:
This thread is about the new box for the DIRECTV Stream service. And yes it has an Ethernet port also.

I didn't just mention this for no reason.....see posts #10 and 11 where Roku was clearly brought into the discussion. I'm NOT trying to hijack a thread but ADD information to it.

Scott Greczkowski

Today at 1:51 PM

I know a few people who have gotten one and I am told like most modern streaming boxes this one also has HDR on all the time.

b4pjoe

Today at 1:59 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
I know a few people who have gotten one and I am told like most modern streaming boxes this one also has HDR on all the time.

My guess it is like the 2 previous boxes where you can turn it off/on but requires a reboot once you make the change for the change to take effect. Not sure if there is some limitation in the hardware that won't allow it to change automatically to what is in the content like other devices do. Even DIRECTV satellites own C61K changes on the fly.

Tom Speer

Today at 2:15 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
I know a few people who have gotten one and I am told like most modern streaming boxes this one also has HDR on all the time.

I only noticed that as a problem on TVs that handle HDR poorly. They don't have enough peak brightness or enough dimming zones. For instance, TCL makes three lines of TV, sort of like the old Sears model of Good, Better, Best. On my 4 or 5 year end low price model, HDR looked awful (My neighbor likes the TV now). The midrange model from the next model year ithat I have at my Lake home now looks pretty good in HDR all the time. The midrange TCL QM7 model from last year at my other home looks spectacular, as I remember. I haven't seen it for 6 months.

If I had a TV that does HDR poorly, I would configure the Gemini to disable all HDR.

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b4pjoe

Today at 2:25 PM

Tom Speer said:
I only noticed that as a problem on TVs that handle HDR poorly. They don't have enough peak brightness or enough dimming zones. For instance, TCL makes three lines of TV, sort of like the old Sears model of Good, Better, Best. On my 4 or 5 year end low price mode, HDR looked awful (My neighbor likes the TV now). The midrannge model from the next model year ithat I have at my Lake home now looks pretty good in HDR all the time. The midrange TCL QM7 model from last year at my other home looks spectacular, as I remember. I haven't seen it for 6 months.

If I had a TV that does HDR poorly, I would configure the Gemini to disble all HDR.

I agree with that. The 2 LGs that we have Gemini's on looks far better with HDR enabled then it does with HDR off.

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Today at 2:12 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

What supplements have you found that really helped your overall health

Didn't see a thread like this so I figured why not start one. This is about natural supplements. If you aren't into supplements, fine, but please let those of us who do want to discuss this discuss it.

The first one I wanted to mention has been a real life changer. I'm 62 and still do all of my own install work at my business....also do all the yard work at the house. A few years ago I started noticing that I was losing my range of movement, it was even getting hard to bend over and lace up my boots. Almost got stuck in an attic because I couldn't get turned around once the work was done. Didn't think much of it and figured with age comes stiffness that was only going to get worse as time went on.
It was then that I stumbled across a video which was discussing rotator cuff tears and why they were to prevalent these days. Turns out, the culprit is a simple deficiency in MANGANESE which is key in keeping your tendons flexible. Most anti-biotics strip your body of any manganese it might have had which is why certain anti-biotics, especially those in the Cipro family. I actually knew a man who had two tendons tear while on that stuff.
Went to Amazon and ordered some manganese. Now it took a while, it wasn't instant, but gradually I have regained all of my flexibility. I can bend over and touch my toes while standing with no pain and putting on my boots is no longer a chore.
Pretty cheap too. The bottle I ordered was a 200 ct for under $13. They said to take double the normal dose for the first month because most people are severely lacking, then go to one a day.

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