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Well I've just got word that Verizon's contract with ESPN states that Verizon fully support ESPN 1080p HD special events. I've also found out how this will work. First I don't know when ESPN will start 1080p offerings but this is what I'm hearing. Once ESPN starts offering 1080p they will have two seperate HDTV feeds that will be sent out to the various providers. First the cable company must support 1080p output from their set-top boxes as Verizon will be doing in the future. It will be done via a future firmware update so that a customer can select the box to output in 1080p instead of 1080i. The reason all the HD boxes must accept 1080p is because Verizon for example will get the 1080p feed which will be exactly the same content and all 720p content will be upconverted by ESPN into 1080p and Verizons set-top boxes must be able to accept that 1080p signal and scale it into 1080i and 720p for customers without a 1080p HDTV set. So in simple terms no customer would know they are getting anything different than what is being offered today. But for those of you with a new 1080p set with a new HDMI 1.3 connector (HDMI 1.3 will have 1080p output support) you can set the output of the Verizon HD box to output in 1080p and when a live sports broadcast in done in 1080p format it will display in full native 1080p format.

ESPN has plans in the future to offer ESPN Monday Night Football games in 1080p to start and it could start in the 2007 regular season from what I hear. But again the key is that Verizon signed a contract saying they will fully support ESPNs plans for broadcasting 1080p sporting events. This is very good news.

Also keep in mind that your new 1080p HD set must support 1080p over an HDMI port and that HDMI port must accept HDCP. Verizon and ESPN don't think this will be a problem as 1080p set sales have been pretty small and HDMI 1.3 should be entering into nearly all new 1080p HDTV sets. From what I hear the Verizon boxes will not output (at ESPNs request) their ESPN HD 1080p onto a 1080p set without the connection having HDCP at both ends. Now again this HDCP will only apply for outputting in 1080p. If you set your Verizon box to output in 1080i or below HDCP won't be an issue. Also you can record it in 1080p but the contract also stated that when Verizon adds 1080p support they must support a copy once flag over the HDMI with HDCP connector.

I've asked about this and I've been told that in the future new HD DVD recorders will use only HDMI inputs and outputs. I've found a lot of extra side related information from these talks by the way.

So from what I'm hearing once HD DVD recorders come out these HD DVD records will have both an HDMI with HDCP input and output. So you would take an HDMI cable and plug it into your Verizon HD DVRs HDMI output port into the new HD DVD players HDMI input port. You would take another HDMI cable that will come with the HD DVD player which would be plugged into the output HDMI port on the HD DVD player and plug it into the HDMI input on the HDTV set.

As I understand it HD DVD recorders can only record flagged content via HDMI with HDCP only and as such playing back that burned HD DVD disk can only be done at anything more than 480p using a TV with an HDMI with HDCP input like current HD DVD players.

So in simple terms I was told that a live 1080p ESPN broadcast will be flagged on Verizon so on the new HD DVD recorders that will be out in a few years to record it your set-top box and your HDTV must support HDMI with HDCP and everything must be connected via HDMI. So these new HD DVD recorders will only record protected flagged content via HDMI with HDCP only set-top boxes and the disk will also be created in such a way that HDTV output will only work on a TV set with an HDMI with HDCP connector.

I again know this doesn't sound too good but what did we find out in this.

Verizon will offer ESPN HD live events in 1080p. We found out what we needed to receive this. We also found out a lot about how future HD DVD recorders will work and how they will be restricted on recording flagged content. Now I also found out that HD DVD recorders can record and playback any content that isn't flagged via HDMI and output it in full 1080i res via component cables but I also found out that nearly all content companies are requiring that their content be flagged. This means that once HD DVD recorders hit the market all the movies for example that Starz has a contract with will require Starz to put in this flag or they cannot broadcast the said movie and as such they will comply to this as it will only affect external storage of the content. Watching it and even recording it via your DVR box won't be a problem. Even the Series 3 Tivo won't have a problem playing it but once you try to record it onto something else beyond the Tivo hard drive that is when you must have HDMI with HDCP support on your TV set and the Tivo itself must also support HDMI output with HDCP support or the HD DVD recorder won't accept the feed. I've been told that HD DVD recorders will only support HDMI as a recording input and any flagged content will also prompt the HD DVD recorder to make a playback only flagged HD DVD disk which again means that all current HD DVD players must comply with that flag and as such it again can only be played back over an HDMI with HDCP input on the HDTV set in anything over 480p format.

Sorry if this might have got confusing but I'm trying to be specific so that you all fully understand exactly how all of this will work.
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BFG
BFG
That sounds awesome to me.

The HD Recording to HD-DVD with verizon sounds awesome as well. you'll finally be able to record HD like simple CHS and DVD recording in the day, but now in HD
K
i wish my old tv would have lasted another year or so. no 1080p tv for me for a while.
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BFG said:
That sounds awesome to me.

The HD Recording to HD-DVD with verizon sounds awesome as well. you'll finally be able to record HD like simple CHS and DVD recording in the day, but now in HD

Again you must remember that if what I'm told is correct that when HD DVD recorders come out they will only allow recording via HDMI connections only regardless of flagging. This means the device won't even have a component input and only an HDMI input. Now the device will have an S-Video input but as we know this isn't an HD input. We also know that nearly all popular shows will be flagged in some sort of way. Because of this the HD DVD recorder will record the flagged show onto a DVD regardless if your HDTV supports HDMI with HDCP or not but with one catch. The HD DVD Recorder nor any HD DVD player will be allowed to playback that disk in any resolution over 480p unless your HDTV set supports HDCP over its HDMI port. This means if you have an HDTV that has either an HDMI port (without HDCP support) or only component cables that HD recording will only playback in 480p. Again if the HD DVD player detects a flag in the show your recording the HD DVD player will burn the show onto a blank HD DVD but it will be flagged with a play only flag and because of this all HD DVD players will not playback a flagged disk over a non protection output in anything higher than 480p format.

I'm just trying to make sure you fully understand how this will work. Again its playback that is the problem with not having HDCP and not the recording of the show.
BFG
BFG
Yeah I have no problems with any of that. The connections and flagging are no big deal to me, I can have my system comply with all of that.
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BFG said:
Yeah I have no problems with any of that. The connections and flagging are no big deal to me, I can have my system comply with all of that.

Good and by the way I'm looking at buying a new LCD flat-panel HDTV set from White Westinghouse which looks very good. Its a 42" widescreen flat panel 1080p HDTV set by the way. I went to a local electronics place that I haggled with as they know me and how much I spend with them each year. So they sold it too me brand new for 1,999 bucks with a free 5 year on-site warranty so I couldn't pass it up. I did have to buy something else by the way but I was buying it either way. Because I'm selling my place I needed to replace the Stove and Washer and Dryer so I asked the guy if I bought all of this at their place could they give me a discount on this. Also note that they don't have the unit in yet but when they do they will call me and let me pick it up. The first offer he gave me was the offer I took as I didn't expect him to go that low but than again he must know I haggle pretty well by now. He also told me he still make a profit on me that day for all the products which was amazing. By the way he said they would be selling it for 2399.99 after their 500 bucks off coupon thing they do so I felt I got a good deal. I got 300 bucks off and a free 5 year warranty which would cost me 300 bucks to begin with.

The model number is LVM-42w2 and these are the specs below.

Also note that this set doesn't have a built-in NSTC or ATSC tuner. This means it doesn't have a jack to plug in a cable directly from a wall jack. So you must use sometype of box for TV service.

First it fully supports 1920x1080p. It has a 1000:1 contrast radio and an 8ms response time. It also has a 176 degree viewing angle. Now here is the cool stuff.

Now onto connecters.
1 HDMI input with HDCP support. HDMI input supports 480i/p, 720p, 1080i AND "1080p" and yes I said it supports 1080p over HDMI as it is using the new HDMI 1.3 standard.

2 DVI inputs both supporting HDCP. Supports 480i/p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p.

1 VGA/D-Sub/RGB (no HDCP support). Supports 480i/p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p. They suggest using this port with a computer as a computer monitor and they also suggest setting the computer to output in 1920x1080 @ 60hz as this is the sets native resolution. When Windows Vista comes out if you want to playback anything in HDTV you must use one of the two DVD connections or the HDMI connector as they all support HDCP. Now I'm just assuming this port doesn't support HDCP as it doesn't say one way or the other while both DVI and HDMI parts say they do support it.

The set also has 2 component inputs that support 480i/p, 720p and 1080i but no 1080p support. It is about 4.5 inches deep and weighs about 55 pounds.

They had this set on display and it looked just shockingly good on their live HDNet feed in the store from BHN. It looked better than most HDTV sets with it and as such I wanted it. Also as its an LCD flatpanel it doesn't suffer from burn-in issues like plasmas do and for once fast moving video was quite smooth without much stuttering or blending. I also know the owner and he makes sure that their sets aren't blown up with contrast as he has them placed in rooms without very bright lighting so he gets the sets setup like you and I would at home. I also checked the settings myself too to make sure.

I've never been very fond of off brands but this model is one of the nicest I've seen as far as 1080p support on all digital connectors, great picture quality, did I say 1080p, great features and a great price. I as of now could care less what brand logo this set has and all I must say that if White Westinghouse is getting this good these other brands better watch out because I'm impressed. White Westinghouse you have my fully undevided attention now.
Ramy
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
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Parity is growing in College Football. Making it even harder to tell who is better than each other.
rvvaquero
Parity is growing in College Football. Making it even harder to tell who is better than each other.
I agree to a point. The transfer policy is creating parity, but only for the top 20-25 teams. The other 110+ teams in the FBS are just breeding grounds for the bigger schools which have more money and more recruiting appeal.

If a smaller school recruits, trains, and matures a quality player, they can't keep them past their sophomore year because the bigger schools snatch them up. Example: LSU didn't cultivate Sam Leavitt, they just harvested him from other schools. LSU is a top contender, in large part because of Leavitt. Michigan State and Arizona State.................are not. If either of those schools had been able to retain his services, who knows where they would be now.
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
Coach says afternoon game result of SEC "conspiracy". The rivalry game vs. Ala. will kick off in the afternoon at Baton Rouge rather than at night, which head coach Lane Kiffin says is intentional in order to neutralize fan craziness and noise, which is believed to help lead to wins for squads playing at home. "Obviously the SEC wanted to change this year from how it had been to give LSU less advantage, (considering) how well LSU plays at night and how intimidating it is to play here. So I guess when I look at it that way, I'm not surprised."

But he's come up with an ingenious solution. "Go to bed earlier Fri. night, then start your day earlier. Have breakfast earlier. Start drinking earlier. Whatever your routine is, just move it up."

Meantime ads have been running for a "Protect College Sports Act" moving through Congress.
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Don't WANNA KNOW-Maroon 5
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I Want to Know What Love Is - Foreigner
Bobby
Oh What A Night For Dancing - Barry White
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It's a Good Night for Singing - Jerry Jeff Walker
long_time_Dish
All Night Long - Joe Walsh
ewindowman
Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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nelson61
Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
Scott Greczkowski
Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
Can't remember where or who I saw predict this. :D

It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
Bruce
It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
Scott Greczkowski
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
Bruce
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.
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Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.
dish has new sats dtv does not
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dish has new sats dtv does not
Hate to say this no one is ordering Satellite TV. Both DISH and Direct no new customers.
After 25 years with centurylink DSL 80 speed i changed to Xfinity 300 speed for $50 wow lightning fast for streaming. Still have DISH 27 years with them. Americas 250 package for $103. What you think of superbox or vseebox for streaming is it legal?
Still dish is easy to operate and change channels. What will Charlie Ergen do with new super satellites with loosing customers with satellites and boost?
comfortably_numb
What you think of superbox or vseebox for streaming is it legal?

NO.
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Hate to say this no one is ordering Satellite TV. Both DISH and Direct no new customers.
After 25 years with centurylink DSL 80 speed i changed to Xfinity 300 speed for $50 wow lightning fast for streaming. Still have DISH 27 years with them. Americas 250 package for $103. What you think of superbox or vseebox for streaming is it legal?
Still dish is easy to operate and change channels. What will Charlie Ergen do with new super satellites with loosing customers with satellites and boost?
While I agree but dish just launched a new sat. That can be used as an asset for Elon. Maybe he will repurpose em for his cell service. And if he wants tv to. God knows why he would but I think he will get a great deal on the contracts in place and equipment!!! I could think of better things to spend my money on. And to be honest Elon has nothing to offer me have blazing fast internet and ill never buy an ev. The veesee box and the super box are illegal.
tanman
For your viewing pleasure...
comfortably_numb
For your viewing pleasure...

That's ok, I'm sure Verizon will be happy to take them.
Bruce
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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Optimum, which bought up our previous cable company, Suddenlink (originally COX), replac ed all of their coax disdribution with Fiber several years ago. They ran new fiber links to the house, but installed RFOG (RF over glass) devices on the outside of the house, which makes the house coax system look like a cable system. They used DOCSIS modems and of course we had the same assymetric bandwidth of cable internet. When I called them a couple years ago, and said I had installed a connection to the local Fiber provideer, MetroNet, They panicked and offered me the 300 MBit "Fiber powered" cable service for $20 per month. They were bleeding customers. I cancelled my Metronet and went with the $20 deal for a year, even though I didn't like the old cable technology.

Then T-moble Fiber struck a deal with Metronet Fiber where T-mobile would take over the marketing, billing and customer relations for residential Customers. They offered a "Founders Deal" for 2 Gigabit service, symmetric speeds, for $70 per month for new customers. That included all taxes and fees and was guaranteed for 10 years. I couldn't resist. That deal is no longer offered, but I am set for 9 more years.

Now the successor to the old local telephone company, Brightspeed has also installed a modern Fiber system in the neighborhood, but won't be getting my business. But their Fiber technology is also superior to Optimums cable based system.

With Fiber competition, the cable companies are eventually doomed.
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Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
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Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
ncted
similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
"Business Intelligence" is more of an oxymoron than Military Intelligence.
TRG
TRG
Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
I have gigabit fiber in an underground box on my property. But it's not lit up yet so I'm stuck with copper too. For now anyway.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
After a strange reboot last night in the middle of viewing, this morning several more reboots and about a half an hour download.
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Almighty1
Just did the update check manually about an hour ago with Hopper 3 on H713 and Hopper Plus on P15403.
Noticed something new when I clicked on the Update Software, it presented a pop-up as follows:
"Update software 1573
Update later Update now Cancel" with those three buttons which did not exist before.

After updating the H715 - I guess there must be major bugs as both H709 and H714 were skipped.

So here are the issue(s):

Issue #1
It did fix the problem with H713 which was:
"One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software."

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency so H711 and H712 were working without that dependency but H713 brought it back which is fixed in H715 as no P versions or Android TV versions are shown in the Available Joey Software on the main Diagnostics screen.
However, with that said, the TECHNICIAN SETTINGS, Download ATV (Android TV) Files is not working correctly as the Download ATV Files shows:
"Download ATV Files 3000
Download in progress. This operation will be
complete when the files are downloaded

Joey 4 : P554- Failed
Joey 4 : P55403- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P654- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P65403- Complete
HopperPlus : P154- Complete
HopperPlus : P15403- Failed

OK"
From what I can tell, each of them goes through the Downloading followed by the Processing stages first before it goes into the Failed or Complete stage. It seemed to be going in a loop earlier as it will start downloading from the first item being the Joey 4 each time before it eventually stopped. This is the first time ever since 2023 that I had ever seen it Failed.

Issue #2
Still cannot cast to Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus(Software P15317) with the Hopper Plus "Google Chromecast Built-In" feature" as it shows up as a casting device when the Hopper Plus is online and disappears when the Hopper 3 and Hopper Plus does it's nightly reboots but times out when one tries to cast to it and always shows up as Not available in the Google Home app on Android phone. No one else anywhere on the internet had confirmed whether it is working for them or not. Per brittanygarden in DM on October 16, 2026:
"We've been working with Google on this. We have a fix on the Google side projected for Q4. I know we're in Q4 now, but I will try to get a narrowed down timeline for you."

brittanygarden and Rick Durham

jsmit86 and naptime - If you are able to use H715, does the issue mentioned below still exist?
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dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a2cgQidHQJI
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Bobby
Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a2cgQidHQJI

That brought tears to my eyes.
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That brought tears to my eyes.
Really...REALLY hate to do this to you Bobby, but....


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsOo3jzkhYA&pp=ygUed29tYW4gaGVhcnMgZm9yIHRoZSBmaXJzdCB0aW1l
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Okay....if you think you can take it....this one brought tears to my eyes when I first saw it and did again just now.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/i5UCDwHMatg?feature=share
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dishstaller
This came up in my suggestions probably because of the video I posted. I had NO idea exactly what being color blind actually was. Now I understand why that man was so blown away with seeing the trees......a lot of color blind people see green as brown, so grass, trees, etc all look brown.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i18_RngKJDQ
Juan
Its a shame nobody told him orange was blue and red was purple etc etc etc
T
Often people who have organic vision or hearing activated as adults after never having had it cannot practically utilize it because their brains never developed the massive neural network needed to make sense of any of it.

Well, he sees in color, just differently. Can't he just enjoy that? My granny had anachromatic color blindness, meaning pretty much like a b&w tv
b4pjoe
Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in Computers and Gadgets
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harshness
Given that Tubi is one of the hottest FAST services out there, I don't expect it to go anywhere. Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?
Neutron
Another reason I'm glad we are swapping or Rokus out for Apple TVs. I was already planning on ditching the Rokus earlier this year and had been waiting on Apple to announce the new one last month. Our Rokus have had issues the last year or so with freezing video and reboots, and one with an HDCP issue randomly.
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dishstaller
Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?
That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads :facepalm
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TRG
Another reason I'm glad we are swapping or Rokus out for Apple TVs. I was already planning on ditching the Rokus earlier this year and had been waiting on Apple to announce the new one last month. Our Rokus have had issues the last year or so with freezing video and reboots, and one with an HDCP issue randomly.
Hmmm... I don't have any of those problems with my Roku devices. I have 3 of them.
navychop
I suspect Fox will make me consider 2-3 more Apple TV STB purchases.
Jimbo
Hmmm... I don't have any of those problems with my Roku devices. I have 3 of them.
I have the Roku's, 2 or 3, I just rarely use them ... I prefer the Google/Android Sony set up.

People tell me that the Apps on the TV will end thier usefulness as they age ... They are doing ok for me so far ... I also have the TV take the App Updates whenever possible ... then again, I don't know how often App updates come to it.

So, so far, I'm doing ok, but if they start to get sluggish, I'll eventually change to a Roku ... I don't want to, but eventually ... (Or buy another new TV :eeek:shh:clapping:biggrin
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I suspect Fox will make me consider 2-3 more Apple TV STB purchases.
As long as my Roku Ultra works I will use it. I use it for all of my streaming apps except for Prime. I read that Prime works best with Android TV's.
navychop
Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?
osu1991
Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?
Prime seems to have a problem passing the DV/HDR metadata to Roku and Apple devices, but no problem with their Fire devices.
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That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads :facepalm
The ads are boring and repetitive...same ad over and over...bring back 1970s ads..might not be as big an issue