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Last reply Apr 25, 2006 · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info

Wind Problem with digital ota locals

Greetings, I have a problem with my channelmaster rooftop ota antenna losing digital signals during gusts of wind. My local PBS station is about 50 miles away but I have great digital reception most of the time except for high winds that come and go and sometimes rain causes fade. Any suggestions to counter this problem. I also read online that when the analog broadcasts stop and all local stations broadcast a digital signal the power of the digital signal will be increased for broadcasting. Is this possible or did the person who said this know what he was talking about? Any help or suggestions to remedy this would be greatly appreciated. thanks

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Rick0725

Apr 19, 2006

****first thing to do is observe how the wind affects your install****

the problem may be as simple as this.

-do the screens flop about in the wind...secure them together with nylon ties

-does the antenna shimmy and shake on the mast when the wind blows.
shorten the mast
if you are using a rotor, install a thrust bearing to lessen the load.

-if you want to try a preamp suggest the winegard hdp-269 amp...the other higher gain amps will overload at your distance from the towers and amplify after the joiner.

-the newer generation tuners are less prone to multipath (5th generation chipset)

ralfyguy

Apr 19, 2006

the newer generation tuners are less prone to multipath (5th generation chipset)

What is built in the ViP622?

Rick0725

Apr 19, 2006

just read at the avs forum that the 5th gen has problems with signal overload.

there is always something.

Sorry do not know which receivers have the new chip set.

MaD MiKe

Apr 20, 2006

Rick0725 said:
****first thing to do is observe how the wind affects your install****

the problem may be as simple as this.

-do the screens flop about in the wind...secure them together with nylon ties

-does the antenna shimmy and shake on the mast when the wind blows.
shorten the mast
if you are using a rotor, install a thrust bearing to lessen the load.

-if you want to try a preamp suggest the winegard hdp-269 amp...the other higher gain amps will overload at your distance from the towers and amplify after the joiner.

-the newer generation tuners are less prone to multipath (5th generation chipset)

While reconnoitering the install, thanks Rick, I got to thinking about the preamp and I thought over the signal strength and I figured a preamp would be overkill in an 80% signal situation.. It was either the antenna or the tuner...

In the surveying my install I also determined the antenna with the most wind load was the 4228 and as the wind mostly comes from the West and the 4228 is pointed West so I reversed the positon of the 3018, it's above the 4228 now, to put the 4228 just above one of the two fulcrum points which would be the top of the tripod.. With a few trips up and down the ladder I am pulling in an unflatering 80% signal from the 4228 on channel 58 and so far still pulling rock solid signals from the 3018.. This could be the answer to "my area related delima" but only time will tell....

I won't mess with anything else until the 622 is installed but so far I am happy with my OTA signals..

Thansk to all...

MaD MiKe

Apr 25, 2006

Well the 622 is intalled so I got a new mast, a piece of 1' galvanized water pipe and a cap for the top, and intalled the 3018 on top and the 4228 on the bottom and I "think" I solved the problem with wind changing the angle of the antennas and cauing dropouts.. Only time and weather will tell but if I have to jump up on the roof a few times to tweak I still feel I have the best I can afford at the moment..

Question to the pros: Has anyone of you taken a reject dish 500 and used it for a reflector instead of the corner array that is normally used for a Yagi ???

Just thinkin and a tinkerin...

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TRG

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Last reply 12 minutes ago · posted in Local Radio Discussion

First they wanted to cancel AM radio. Now FM is in the crosshairs.

FM Radio is Being Nixed From New Vehicles, Too

Rivian’s new R2 electric SUV will concerningly require an internet connection to listen to music or radio, omitting AM and FM radio entirely.

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Arctic_fox

Friday at 10:06 PM

new cars will be rolling subscriptions!!!! you wanna honk your horn that will be 14.99 please you need to use your turn signals that will be another 19.99 :biggrin

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harshness

Saturday at 11:16 AM

Arctic_fox said:
you wanna honk your horn that will be 14.99 please you need to use your turn signals that will be another 19.99

If you're going to pick features, ensure they are optional features (like interior lighting or driving lamps), as safety features aren't optional.

It is possible to be correct and funny at the same time.

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Arctic_fox

Monday at 5:54 PM

harshness said:
If you're going to pick features, ensure they are optional features (like interior lighting or driving lamps), as safety features aren't optional.

It is possible to be correct and funny at the same time.

while i was being funny. if i have something like heated seats installed there's no way in hell i'm paying for a subscription to keep my ass warm in the winter.

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Jimbo

Monday at 6:12 PM

Arctic_fox said:
while i was being funny. if i have something like heated seats installed there's no way in hell i'm paying for a subscription to keep my ass warm in the winter.

Wasn't that BMW that tried that for a Minute ?

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Comptech

Monday at 7:05 PM

Tried my ass, they are still doing it. So is Stalinist Witch is Chrysler Fiat and now Ford and GM are trying to do it. Right to repair is going away. Trump is trying to block it. You are just renting your new car. Subscriptions and has to go to the dealer for months or years to get repaired. Not doomsday but am. You will never own your car again, just a long term rental thatwill sit at a dealership for a year waiting on parts. It is real folks. Plus never forget they are tracking you 24/7. I am not a conspiracy person but trust me, your car is tracking every move you make from eye movements to restporations They will use the kill switch if they think you are impaired or have high anxiety. Welcome to the new world were all freedoms are lost.

Jimbo

Monday at 8:10 PM

Comptech said:
Tried my ass, they are still doing it. So is Stalinist Witch is Chrysler Fiat and now Ford and GM are trying to do it. Right to repair is going away. Trump is trying to block it. You are just renting your new car. Subscriptions and has to go to the dealer for months or years to get repaired. Not doomsday but am. You will never own your car again, just a long term rental thatwill sit at a dealership for a year waiting on parts. It is real folks. Plus never forget they are tracking you 24/7. I am not a conspiracy person but trust me, your car is tracking every move you make from eye movements to restporations They will use the kill switch if they think you are impaired or have high anxiety. Welcome to the new world were all freedoms are lost.

I didn't know that was still happening on the BMW.

I hadn't heard that GM and Ford were thinking about it ... I' try to keep up on the Ford stuff, haven't heard about that yet.

As far as Tracking you, no they are not, well, not as in Lets Follow Jimbo and see where hes going ...

That said, YES, they know where the Vehicle is at all times ...
You don't hear much about Life Lock for your Vehicle any more, why is that ?
Because, the Computer on your Vehicle knows where you are ... My App, tells me exactly where my vehicle is, not sure why they try to Steal them anymore, unless they are Older and don't have such a feature.

The Car is Not tracking you .... the manufacture may know where the vehicle is, doesn't mean it knows where You are.

Do you use Waze Navigation ?
If so, every time you post on it that a crash or a cop or a slow down is happening, your Telling them where you are ...
Btw, thats Not the same as someone tracking you, your volunteering the info.

Arctic_fox

Monday at 9:48 PM

Jimbo said:
Wasn't that BMW that tried that for a Minute ?

yep!!! and mercedes for more horsepower and tesla for extended range

Jimbo

Monday at 11:48 PM

Arctic_fox said:
yep!!! and mercedes for more horsepower and tesla for extended range

Wait, you can, for a Monthly charge, extend your range ?

harshness

Tuesday at 3:17 AM

Jimbo said:
The Car is Not tracking you .... the manufacture may know where the vehicle is, doesn't mean it knows where You are.

The car knows, by the phone in the device charging area, who is likely driving. The car can also report what manner of driving you're doing for both warranty and insurance purposes.

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Arctic_fox

Tuesday at 1:12 PM

Jimbo said:
Wait, you can, for a Monthly charge, extend your range ?

yep!!!

Jimbo

Tuesday at 5:18 PM

harshness said:
The car knows, by the phone in the device charging area, who is likely driving. The car can also report what manner of driving you're doing for both warranty and insurance purposes.

Until you get out of the car and walk away ...
At least you know where the car is if someone else has taken it.

The people in charge can find a car, without your phone ...

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harshness

12 minutes ago

Jimbo said:
Until you get out of the car and walk away

You probably aren't far from where you parked your car unless you're parked at an airport or train station.

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ncted

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Comcast splitting up businesses

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zippyfrog

Jun 29, 2026

According to CNBC that this could pave the way for a Comcast-Charter merger.

View: https://x.com/sherman4949/status/2071578207568945499

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AZ.

Jun 29, 2026

zippyfrog said:
According to CNBC that this could pave the way for a Comcast-Charter merger.

View: https://x.com/sherman4949/status/2071578207568945499

Oh great another giant company taking over another. So much for competition in the market place!

ncted

Jun 29, 2026

AZ. said:
Oh great another giant company taking over another. So much for competition in the market place!

Do Comcast and Charter overlap anywhere?

AZ.

Jun 29, 2026

ncted said:
Do Comcast and Charter overlap anywhere?

It dosent matter. It another huge merger deal. Its called Anti-trust. Thats why we have 6 media companies controlling 95% of all content.

savarese04

Jun 29, 2026

AZ. said:
It dosent matter. It another huge merger deal. Its called Anti-trust. Thats why we have 6 media companies controlling 95% of all content.

due to the fact that coax is regulated differently than copper, one company has always had a monopoly over the coax that comes into your house. just because a combine company would be larger, it changes nothing for the end consumer. As two separate companies, if Comcast or Spectrum wanted to charge $200 for cable, because they are only provider, you'd have zero choice if you want coax delivered service. As one company, same thing

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harshness

Jun 29, 2026

savarese04 said:
As two separate companies, if Comcast or Spectrum wanted to charge $200 for cable, because they are only provider, you'd have zero choice if you want coax delivered service. As one company, same thing

The real danger is to the content owners who haven't established DTC on their own. If they get shut down by all of cable television, they're done.

I think what Comcast and Spectrum are really worried about is that some of the big housing properties might consider doing away with their cable company contracts in favor of broadband -- let the tennants worry about what they want to watch.

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savarese04

Jun 29, 2026

harshness said:
The real danger is to the content owners who haven't established DTC on their own. If they get shut down by all of cable television, they're done.

I think what Comcast and Spectrum are really worried about is that some of the big housing properties might consider doing away with their cable company contracts in favor of broadband -- let the tennants worry about what they want to watch.

DTC content owners? what are you even blabbering about?

harshness

Jun 30, 2026

savarese04 said:
DTC content owners? what are you even blabbering about?

DTC = Direct-To-Consumer. This is the approach that HBO, Disney, and other major streaming players have adopted as alternatives to the cable/satellite TV delivery model. Cutting out the middleman is often an attractive goal (assuming you're set up to deal directly with customers).

Welcome to the 21st century!

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AZ.

Jun 30, 2026

harshness said:
DTC = Direct-To-Consumer. This is the approach that HBO, Disney, and other major streaming players have adopted as alternatives to the cable/satellite TV delivery model. Cutting out the middleman is often an attractive goal (assuming you're set up to deal directly with customers).

Welcome to the 21st century!

And once they get the masses to streaming, they control all content and control prices. So suppliers like YTTV , either jacks up prices or decide to get out of the game......This removes competition and leaves everything in a few hands.

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ncted

Jun 30, 2026

AZ. said:
And once they get the masses to streaming, they control all content and control prices. So suppliers like YTTV , either jacks up prices or decide to get out of the game......This removes competition and leaves everything in a few hands.

And has resulted in a resurgence of piracy.

savarese04

Jun 30, 2026

harshness said:
DTC = Direct-To-Consumer. This is the approach that HBO, Disney, and other major streaming players have adopted as alternatives to the cable/satellite TV delivery model. Cutting out the middleman is often an attractive goal (assuming you're set up to deal directly with customers).

Welcome to the 21st century!

I know what DTC is and stands for. Your condescending response doesn't actually address what content owners that are supposedly left in the cold by traditional distribution has to do with Comcast's splitting or a possible merger with Spectrum.

Any content owners that don't have a DTC pipeline, even if that pipeline is straight up youtube or instagram videos, are clearly not serious about their business model and are just along for the free lunch that is cable.

harshness

Jul 1, 2026

savarese04 said:
Your condescending response doesn't actually address what content owners that are supposedly left in the cold by traditional distribution has to do with Comcast's splitting or a possible merger with Spectrum.

You didn't comprehend my response.

If, after enough mergers, the remaining cable company decides not to strike a deal with you, you've lost the majority of your customer base.

Juan

Yesterday at 6:52 PM

harshness said:
You didn't comprehend my response.

If, after enough mergers, the remaining cable company decides not to strike a deal with you, you've lost the majority of your customer base.

Helpful hint

Your still being condescending

harshness

16 minutes ago

Juan said:
Your still being condescending

I see it more as a matter of fact that, from the standpoint of a cable channel (or collection of cable channels), having a single outlet (one big cable company) enables that juggernaut to exert absolute control over your future. It seems rather obvious to me, but perhaps not to others.

You lecturing anyone about harmonious posting technique is quite a reach.

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Yesterday at 10:25 AM

Yet another FCC abomination. What isn't clear to me is whether ISP's have to show the "all-in" price up front like airlines, hotel aggregators, etc.

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ncted

Yesterday at 3:46 PM

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Yet another FCC abomination. What isn't clear to me is whether ISP's have to show the "all-in" price up front like airlines, hotel aggregators, etc.

Sounds like they aren't going to have to do anything they don't want as long as it isn't straight up bait and switch.

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primestar31

Yesterday at 8:23 PM

ncted said:
Sounds like they aren't going to have to do anything they don't want as long as it isn't straight up bait and switch.

That's because everybody already KNOWS that EVERYTHING they do is bait and switch as a standard practice...

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Today at 12:37 AM

So sad. The most corrupt FCC we've ever had under this Brendan Carr. It makes the Ajit Pai years look like a golden age.

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Roku UI update

Woke up today to a major Roku UI update. Looks more and more like Amazon/Fire TV. Prominent and offensive ad sidebar, difficult to locate settings to disable them, smaller app icons. Suggesting content I would never watch.

Why do they need to change it? It was perfect before.

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Juan

Yesterday at 11:45 PM

You can shut it off in the settings

dfergie

Yesterday at 11:46 PM

I've actually had the new sw for quite awhile, her box didn't get it till last week, I like it grouping the channels I mainly watch together.

comfortably_numb

Yesterday at 11:50 PM

Juan said:
You can shut it off in the settings

Nope.

comfortably_numb

Yesterday at 11:53 PM

It also continues to suggest content from the Roku TV app when I previously deleted it.

Can't wait to see what happens when Fox buys this.

Actually, if they keep f**king with it, I will throw all my Rokus in the trash and use my connected HTPC's to watch what I want.

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New 5G filter?

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Mr Tony

Yesterday at 10:44 PM

big thread on it in main FTA area

https://www.satelliteguys.us/xen/th...and-possibly-5-new-ku-band-satellites.422374/

comfortably_numb

Yesterday at 11:00 PM

Mr Tony said:
big thread on it in main FTA area

Nothing about development of a new filter.

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Directv (stream) removes 2 4k channels

4k Channels 107 and 108 have been removed.

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Yesterday at 9:22 PM

Weren't those just Paid 4K channels ?

Was it 104 and 105 that were open 4k channels.

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Yesterday at 9:31 PM

107 and 108 are additonal LIVE4K event channels. In the past few weeks they had English and Spanish World Cup matches on them, along with regional 4K MLB games from CHSN, NESN and Sportsnet LA.

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Corrado

Tuesday at 1:02 PM

I can't remember the last time I watched anything on C band. I upgraded to the Titanium red filter LNBF in late 2024 which brought back what I had lost due to 5G in my area but there isn't a great deal left to view. My 10' Unimesh dish has been out there for 38 years and has served me well and I will leave it just in case.

Since April I had to add filters for my over the air antennas as well which solved the pixelation events every few seconds. It was like they flipped a switch one day.

Probably 16 years ago I put up 3 Prodelin 1.8m dishes and had them setup for C band but more recently converted them back to Ku band for which they are intended. I almost took them down last Fall but perhaps I will continue in the future with those if Ku band becomes the future choice of satellite distribution.

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comfortably_numb

Tuesday at 1:06 PM

Corrado said:
It was like they flipped a switch one day.

Highly possible. A new 5G cell was probably lit up on a tower near you.

WhiteBeard

Tuesday at 1:41 PM

Corrado said:
Since April I had to add filters for my over the air antennas as well which solved the pixelation events every few seconds. It was like they flipped a switch one day.

This is probably why I lost my OTA channels. I've been told that I'll need to buy an inline filter that blocks anything above 609 MHz. The Channel Master CM-3201 was recommended but the specs say it doesn't start attenuating until 618 MHz. It's only $20 so I won't be too disappointed if it doesn't work well. I just hate being forced to have to upgrade (on a lot of things).

comfortably_numb

Tuesday at 2:21 PM

WhiteBeard said:
This is probably why I lost my OTA channels. I've been told that I'll need to buy an inline filter that blocks anything above 609 MHz. The Channel Master CM-3201 was recommended but the specs say it doesn't start attenuating until 618 MHz. It's only $20 so I won't be too disappointed if it doesn't work well. I just hate being forced to have to upgrade (on a lot of things).

609 is RF 36, wouldn't you want to filter below that?

Corrado

Yesterday at 1:08 PM

The Channel Master CM-3201 is exactly what I'm using. Band pass 5- 608 MHz, blocks 609- 3000 MHz. They completely solved my interference issues from 2 different antennas.

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primestar31

Yesterday at 8:47 PM

WhiteBeard said:
This is probably why I lost my OTA channels. I've been told that I'll need to buy an inline filter that blocks anything above 609 MHz. The Channel Master CM-3201 was recommended but the specs say it doesn't start attenuating until 618 MHz. It's only $20 so I won't be too disappointed if it doesn't work well. I just hate being forced to have to upgrade (on a lot of things).

I checked the Channel Master 5g filter you mention above a few years ago with a Televes spectrum analyzer I had access to, when I was beta testing some antennas and things for them.

It kills LTE and 5g deader than a door-nail. It slightly clips channel 36 by up to 2dB though. It's also power-passing, which comes in handy if you must power an older preamp through it that doesn't have LTE/5g filter built in.

IMO, it's the best LTE/5g filter out there, even beats the Televes filter built into their preamps.

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