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http://www.forbes.com/2006/08/24/sling-media-qanda-cx_lh_0825sling.html?partner=yahootix

Sling Media made a big splash last year with the debut of Slingbox, a funny-looking device resembling a large, chunky candy bar still in its silver wrapping. Despite its toy-like appearance, Slingbox is a serious piece of hardware that can remotely connect a personal computer to a home television set via the Internet. This enables customers to watch live broadcast, cable or satellite TV, as well as programming stored on a digital video recorder, anywhere they can find a broadband connection.

In January, Sling Media closed on a $46.6 million round of financing led by Goldman Sachs (nyse: GS - news - people ), media and entertainment conglomerate Liberty Media (nasdaq: LINTA - news - people ) and EchoStar Communications (nasdaq: DISH - news - people ), the parent of Dish Network. And this week, Sling Media extended its business to the wireless market with the formal release of software that makes Slingbox compatible with third-generation (3G) handheld devices and cellphones equipped with Microsoft's (nasdaq: MSFT - news - people ) Windows Mobile operating system.

Helped by word of mouth and Sling Media's relationships with major big-box retailers, such as Best Buy (nyse: BBY - news - people ), Circuit City (nyse: CC - news - people ) and Wal-Mart Stores (nyse: WMT - news - people ), Slingbox unit sales to date total "well into the six figures," according to co-founder and Chief Executive Blake Krikorian.

As Slingbox expands its customer base, it could end up drawing some worried glances from big media players. Why? Because the device provides a simple way to deliver existing TV programming to PCs and wireless devices at a time when media giants such as Walt Disney Co. (nyse: DIS - news - people ), Time Warner (nyse: TWX - news - people ) and General Electric's (nyse: GE - news - people ) NBC Universal subsidiary are grappling with how to provide TV content to consumers online--and get paid for it.

In an interview, Krikorian discussed some of the challenges his company faces.

Forbes.com: Swedish satellite carrier Viasat and Brazilian cable TV company TVA recently began offering Slingbox to their customers. Do you expect to enter into similar partnerships with cable and satellite companies in the U.S.?

It's possible. I wouldn't necessarily say we've been seeking them, but we've certainly had a lot of discussions. When we first launched a year ago, everyone was like, "Whoa, what the heck does this thing mean? Oh my God, these guys are tearing apart the entire value chain!" As people have become more aware of how it works and what it means to them, the [cable and satellite] carriers see this as a great way to extend their current offerings.

Take something like cable with high-speed data and television services. What do those things have in common? Not a whole lot, other than that it's on a universal bill. [Slingbox] is finally one of those products that's a true convergence product. It starts to tie these services together. If one of these larger [cable and satellite] operators wants to deploy it, by all means, we will be there to enable them. We've had some very exciting discussions. But at the same time, we're not waiting around for it to happen.

You don't have any partnerships yet with U.S. wireless carriers, which have been launching their own video services. Given the large amount of bandwidth that video requires, how do you respond to concerns that the growing use of Slingbox via mobile devices could cause network congestion?

I would call that a high-class problem. They've built these 3G networks ... and what are the applications that people are going to use? E-mail? On a 2G phone, e-mail's pretty damn good. These various video clips? They're not resonating with the consumer. The fact that there has been some concern about what [Slingbox] is going to do to their networks--that's a pretty flattering thing.

If wireless carriers feel Slingbox poses a significant threat to the sale of their own wireless video offerings, couldn't they try to keep you off their networks?

That's a very interesting question. There's a question of legality of doing that, and then there's just practicality. I think they'd be absolutely nuts to do that, because there is a lot of competition [in the wireless market]. And you know what will happen: One guy does it and ... everyone goes to another carrier. And now with Wi-Max, the competition is going to be more challenging.

[The short video clips that wireless carriers offer] can make sense on these displays. Do we cannibalize that? Maybe. Could we maybe be the ones to help catalyze that? Yeah, I think so. If you are now able to let me watch familiar TV programming--like, for example, Entourage off HBO [through my Slingbox]--that's what I already understand because that's my experience back home. That's the perfect opportunity to tell me [about] the condensed version on my mobile phone. That's back to our desire to work with mobile operators. Do we need them? No. But if we were to tightly couple this, we should integrate this stuff.

The National Football League, Major League Baseball and other content providers have lucrative rights deals with cable systems and wireless carriers. Will Sling also need to pursue licensing agreements with content providers?

We don't think we need licensing or approval from any of the content owners. This is actually helping preserve and helping extend their existing proven business model. We are a "net add" from that perspective. We're increasing the number of displays they can reach me, as a consumer, around the house. We've added another ten to 12 hours a day that they can reach me in the office, where they never could reach me before. And even when I'm traveling outside the market, they're able to still build that relationship with me. This is helping in extending their business and maintaining their relevance. [Slingbox] is something that is so compelling, and there's lots at stake, and there's probably going to be challenges and disruptions. But more often than not, we're finding people open-minded and trying to understand, "How can we use this to our benefit?"

You generate virtually all of your revenue from Slingbox sales. You don't sell advertising, and you don't sell subscriptions to your service. Might this change in the future?

As you build a market, there come more opportunities for other ways to monetize and to provide better experiences to the consumer. [Advertising] is absolutely a potential one. Popping up banners all over the place? The marketplace will not like that. As a business model, there are a variety of ways to deploy those experiences and solutions. Maybe some consumers are like, "You know what? I love that--I love being able to buy the product at retail with no monthly fees." And we have other customers saying, "You know what? Why don't you just give me the box and charge me $10 a month?" There's no reason why we can't do that.

If you start selling advertising, content providers might demand a cut of the revenue.

Possibly. But I also think that to provide the best experience, it would make sense to work with them. They have their own ad sales teams too, right? I try to be really pragmatic. You can deliver great value to the consumer, but you can also find ways to engage with the rest of the industry, provided they have the proper attitude and desire to do so. And I think they do.
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Scott Greczkowski
I use mine all the time on my cell phone, although I rearely watch it on a computer or laptop. On the cellphone I can turn it on whereever. :)
T
We have a Vip 622 but only one "TV" -- actually a DELL 2407 LCD monitor that we use as an HDTV when it is not being used as a Mac monitor. FWIW Our cabin is so small that wireing in another TV (even a small LCD) is not an attractive option.

But if I understand it correctly... a Slingbox connected to the TV2 SD output of a 622 would allow us to view the TV2 SD content on a wireless laptop anywhere in range of our wireless base station (e.g. on the deck). Could I also control the 622's DVR functions (e.g. selecting things to record via the Program Guide, deleting recorded shows etc.)?

Thanks in Advance - Talon Dancer
Scott Greczkowski
This is correct. :) Thats the way I have mine hooked up.

I do wish however that Dish supported IR on TV 2, it would make life easy for those of us with Slingboxes.
Pepper
Is there not a "kit" of some sort that transforms IR remote signals to UHF Pro?

I know there is one that does the opposite.
T
Scott Greczkowski said:
This is correct. :) Thats the way I have mine hooked up....
Thanks!

I've been wondering how I was going to distribute TV down to the cabin (once we build the main house) without yet more antennae, wiring, monthly fees etc. We will definitely have a wireless network connection between them, so a Slingbox may be the answer for our very low TV usage requirements at the cabin.

Thanks again - Talon Dancer
Ramy
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Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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cp2k
I like the move to campus sites for the early games. That adds a fun new dimension for fans, and cuts down on some of the travel expenses that would come with having to follow a team all the way through the playoffs at neutral sites.
Jimbo
I like the move to campus sites for the early games. That adds a fun new dimension for fans, and cuts down on some of the travel expenses that would come with having to follow a team all the way through the playoffs at neutral sites.
Agree ... they started doing that a few years ago.
Bruce
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Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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In my area Cox (now Spectrum) has run everything underground instead of on poles.
Jimbo
In my area Cox (now Spectrum) has run everything underground instead of on poles.
Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
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Bobby
Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
In my local area all underground utilities are under the sidewalk. Of course from there, when entering your property, They are at least 18" in your dirt.
Jimbo
In my local area all underground utilities are under the sidewalk. Of course from there, when entering your property, They are at least 18" in your dirt.
I bet MOST of them are NOT 18", they may suppose to be, but I doubt they are .

Edison is definitely deep enough, but thats the only one ...
B
Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
My fiber isp put everything in conduit, except for the drop line to the NID and it it buried 10 inches
R
Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
My area is very rocky, so there will be no shovels into the lines. Most of the lines were bored and the one's not bored where dug at least 18" deep. Cox had flagged my yard for them to dig up. But the foreman of the crew said he was not going to tear up my grass. He ended up installing the cable across the street at a vacant lot instead and bored the street for my pedestal. The line from the pedestal to my house could be damaged being it is fairly shallow.
Jimbo
My fiber isp put everything in conduit, except for the drop line to the NID and it it buried 10 inches
Really, you Lucky Dog !

Do you Work for that ISP ? :biggrin
Bobby
I bet MOST of them are NOT 18", they may suppose to be, but I doubt they are .

Edison is definitely deep enough, but thats the only one ...
I did the underground trench utility designs for 9 years. Gas and electric were 24". Telephone and CATV were 18". These were for new construction. Add on construction could be anywhere. All of the utilities went from their terminal points to a common utility point on the house. They were in a single trench.
So, if theres a issue with any buried line, the sidewalk needs to be dug up as well ???
That sucks.
Sometimes…. electric and CATV are in conduit so replacement is pretty easy. Telephone, specifically Pacific Telephone, Pacific Bell, SBC, ATT are direct buried and use encap termination directly onto the feed cable. That is always a sidewalk digup.
Jimbo
I did the underground trench utility designs for 9 years. Gas and electric were 24". Telephone and CATV were 18". These were for new construction. Add on construction could be anywhere. All of the utilities went from their terminal points to a common utility point on the house. They were in a single trench.

Sometimes…. electric and CATV are in conduit so replacement is pretty easy. Telephone, specifically Pacific Telephone, Pacific Bell, SBC, ATT are direct buried and use encap termination directly onto the feed cable. That is always a sidewalk digup.
Ok, your talking in the right of way ...
I thought you were talking about from the ped to the houses.

Fortunately you don't usually get Cable cuts Under a sidewalk, usually its when a Construction crew us digging with major equipment.

The drops to the house are not going to be very deep, sometimes barely under the sod. 6" is a godsend.
osu1991
I'm fortunate to have 3 fiber providers now.

Cox and T mobile bored and put conduit in before pulling the fiber thru the easement in my neighborhood . Windstream Kinetic I can't remember if they pulled conduit first or not. I remember they didn't have a boring machine when they came thru my yard, they used that for the mainline crossing under the street but had a vibratory plow in my backyard. I remember seeing some blue conduit just don't remember where it was being used. Windstream barely put the fiber run from the pedestal to my house about 2 inches underground. Landscaper hit it while putting landscaping around the pedestal they added to my yard. I made sure they buried it at least 12 inches when they replaced it.

AEP/ PSO the electric company has their main distribution lines running on poles along the back of my property. Cox has their main distribution line hung on those poles before going underground through the neighborhood.

I'm in the middle of a damage claim and about to take them to court as insurance is trying to get out of it claiming the lines were too low. Had an oversized load get lost and try to turn around in an older neighborhood. Pulled down 5 blocks of fiber with separate fiber lines belonging to the city, Cox/Spectrum and ATT.
ewindowman
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Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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Bruce
fmj77
Mr. Morris is no journalist. That article reads like a political hit job.
dishstaller
That article reads like a political hit job.
You can say that for about 90% of so-called news articles these days.
S

Meanwhile att is getting rid of overseas call centers
comfortably_numb

Too bad their service is expensive and their coverage sucks compared to the other two of the Big 3
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Too bad their service is expensive and their coverage sucks compared to the other two of the Big 3
Was that a back door compliment for Verizon?
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dishstaller
Meanwhile att is getting rid of overseas call centers

Too little too late.

I can actually shed some light on the corp attitude towards call centers.

2015-2017 I was on the Viasat Dealer Council. They would fly us out to CO or CA and wine and dine us. Pretty cool but I was there to give my input because I was a top retailer and I wanted things to improve.
Anyway, at one of the meetings I brought up the fact that customers constantly complained about the overseas call centers. The VP of the company told me that I just didn't understand....those people cost something like 25% of what US employees would cost. Well, as usual when I went out to these meetings, I was loaded for bear....ie facts. I gave them an example of a customer who spent over an hour with one of these call centers and still never got her issue resolved. She called me the next morning after we opened and I had her situation fixed in 2 minutes. I told him "So you guys paid this overseas call center X amount but the customer still wasn't taken care of. I on the other hand, and a US call center probably would have as well because there wouldn't have been the language barrier, had her taken care of in 2 min. so your savings just went right out the door because a US call center would have taken care of her and MANY other customers while your overseas call center did nothing more than PISS off a customer.
Blank stares was all I got.

And THAT was when I realized just how incompetent most of the people are who run these companies. It WAS an enlightening experience.
Bobby
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This thread is a place to discuss the 4K events that appear on channel 540. We are getting, at this point, one college football game a week. Let's hope there is more coming.
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long_time_Dish
No NASCAR in 4K on Sunday? Bummer...
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Jim5506
No NASCAR in 4K on Sunday? Bummer...
It's on Prime.
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long_time_Dish
It's on Prime.
Ah, ok, thanks!
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Foxbat
The World Series Game 1 quality was excellent, the Dolby Surround put us in the seats. Thanks, Dish!
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Not seeing many 4k games on the 148 channels lately?

Also I do not see the 4KFox channel on 148-01; I also do not subscribed to our Local Houston channels.

Maybe I need to subscribe to locals or add the National Action Pack? Not sure the extra cost is worth it??

thx for any info or suggestions

S
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Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Little Bit O' Soul - Music Explosion
gms49ers
Soul Man - The Blues Brothers
long_time_Dish
Heart Full Of Soul - Rush
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Expressway to Your Heart -- The Soul Survivors
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Find A Way To My Heart - Phil Collins
Bruce
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Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
I was reading this article


That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.


Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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Bruce
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
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Jimbo
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.
Bruce
That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.
Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?
AZ.
AZ.
Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?
Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need a old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.
Bruce
Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need an old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
Bobby
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.
AZ.
AZ.
Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.
Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.
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TRG
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.

People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish :biggrin
Bruce
Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
Jimbo
People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish :biggrin
Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...
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Jimbo
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
Quick Question, WITHOUT Looking it up ...
Who played in the World Series last year ?
Jimbo
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
True, but you had 2 Large Markets in it .
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Bruce
Quick Question, WITHOUT Looking it up ...
Who played in the World Series last year ?
Two MLB teams.
Jimbo
Two MLB teams.
Now, having low numbers this past year doesn't surprise me at all, you had 2 teams that don't like to spend tons of money and they are not your Large markets.
TRG
TRG
Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...
I thought you might like that. :biggrin
KAB
KAB
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Wireless Joey 4. Yesterday, I noticed a little green dot on a small black field in the upper right hand corner of the screen, regardless of channel, recordings, etc. A restart got rid of it, but I am curious as to what It meant and what I did to get it there.
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Redneck_Randy
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The little green dot inside a small black field in the upper right-hand corner of your screen is an Android privacy indicator confirming that the voice remote's microphone is actively listening. Because the Joey 4 runs on an Android
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That's no good
Almighty1
The green dot on Android TV is supposed to show as long as an app or background service is actively using the microphone or camera. [1, 2]

What Normal Behavior Looks Like
    • When active: It appears (often with a small microphone or camera icon that fades into a simple green dot) the moment a voice search, assistant command, or streaming app requests audio input.
    • When it disappears: It should vanish a few seconds after you finish your command or after the app stops using the microphone. [1]

Why It Might Stay On (Persistent Dot)
If the green dot stays on indefinitely or won't go away, it usually means:
    • An app (such as a voice search tool, media player, or background utility) has a hung process or is keeping the microphone channel open.
    • A remote control or voice-recognition service is stuck. [1]

How to Fix or Check It
    • Restart your TV: Unplug the power cable for about 30 seconds and plug it back in to clear out stuck background apps.
    • Check app permissions: Go to your TV's Settings > Privacy or Device Preferences > Microphone to see which apps have access, and revoke permission for any suspicious or unnecessary apps. [1, 2]
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Scott Greczkowski
Its a bug. I had it happen to mine. The mic is not listening, and if your worried about that remove the batteries from your remote as thats where the mic is. :)
S
Reboot the joey it should go away after
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meStevo
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Balls
Bears. Took care of the elite Seahawks defense in a great performance.
NFC North. The entire division is 2 games above .500
Lions. Finally handed an L to that weird Minnesota team. Good vibes for Jack Campbell.
Pitt. Took the lead of the division convincingly.
Bengals vs Titans game. Fireworks game. Not sure it was a well-played game, but it sure was fun. JoeyB with 6 scores... and 4 turnovers.
Denver. They keep winning, man. Payton is a baller of a coach.
Packers. Thorough beatdown of the hard-to-read Panthers.
Jags. Demolished the hapless Colts.
Rams. The Super team finally wins back-to-back games.


Goats
Vikings. Took their first L. I know their D is insane, but their offense is setting back football to the 1950's.
Cowboys. Lost a 2-score lead vs. the Gardner Minshew-led Cards... at home. Embarrassing.
Browns. Playing for the division lead by scoring 6 points.
Bucs vs Falcons game. Setting modern football back to the ice age. Honorable mention to Tua Penix err ... Michael Tagov .... well, you know what I mean.
Bengals fans acting like Burrow just won the MVP after his performance. I get it. 6 scores is awesome. But. He also turned the ball over 4 times and required overtime to beat the 1-win Titans. So spare me the parade.
Chiefs. Not because they lost. It was a close game decided on the last play vs. a divisional rival on the road. That's always rough. But because of their whining over the CLEAR flag they got on the would-be winning play. They are used to getting the calls, and when they don't, they complain. Honorable mention to Mahomes for this quote: "I mean, at the end of the day, you have to go with whatever is called, but a lot of times in those big moments, the little stuff doesn't get called like that"... so you admit it was a penalty?? Just shut up, man.
Colts. They began the fire sale earlier in the week, and it showed. This team is cooked; Daniel Jones should go to the bench, and Steichen will be fired pretty soon.
Chargers. Wow. That's all I got.
Miami. For having the Pats sort of on the ropes and letting them go.
Eagles. Another team that should consider selling some assets. They are going nowhere.
Howard Simmons
Balls
Bears. Took care of the elite Seahawks defense in a great performance.
NFC North. The entire division is 2 games above .500
Lions. Finally handed an L to that weird Minnesota team. Good vibes for Jack Campbell.
Pitt. Took the lead of the division convincingly.
Bengals vs Titans game. Fireworks game. Not sure it was a well-played game, but it sure was fun. JoeyB with 6 scores... and 4 turnovers.
Denver. They keep winning, man. Payton is a baller of a coach.
Packers. Thorough beatdown of the hard-to-read Panthers.
Jags. Demolished the hapless Colts.
Rams. The Super team finally wins back-to-back games.


Goats
Vikings. Took their first L. I know their D is insane, but their offense is setting back football to the 1950's.
Cowboys. Lost a 2-score lead vs. the Gardner Minshew-led Cards... at home. Embarrassing.
Browns. Playing for the division lead by scoring 6 points.
Bucs vs Falcons game. Setting modern football back to the ice age. Honorable mention to Tua Penix err ... Michael Tagov .... well, you know what I mean.
Bengals fans acting like Burrow just won the MVP after his performance. I get it. 6 scores is awesome. But. He also turned the ball over 4 times and required overtime to beat the 1-win Titans. So spare me the parade.
Chiefs. Not because they lost. It was a close game decided on the last play vs. a divisional rival on the road. That's always rough. But because of their whining over the CLEAR flag they got on the would-be winning play. They are used to getting the calls, and when they don't, they complain. Honorable mention to Mahomes for this quote: "I mean, at the end of the day, you have to go with whatever is called, but a lot of times in those big moments, the little stuff doesn't get called like that"... so you admit it was a penalty?? Just shut up, man.
Colts. They began the fire sale earlier in the week, and it showed. This team is cooked; Daniel Jones should go to the bench, and Steichen will be fired pretty soon.
Chargers. Wow. That's all I got.
Miami. For having the Pats sort of on the ropes and letting them go.
Eagles. Another team that should consider selling some assets. They are going nowhere.
Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.🙄
meStevo
Just the same vilification as players like Brady experienced, a product of their success and largely overblown (just like them 'getting all the calls').
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Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.🙄
Well you see him more because he is incredibly talented. And yes, typically players try to spin things being in their favor. This isn't cricket where sportsmanship (except in Australia) is expected.
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HipKat
Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.🙄
He wants to be Brady
HipKat
Just the same vilification as players like Brady experienced, a product of their success and largely overblown (just like them 'getting all the calls').
The only people who deny what Brady got from the officials are Brady fans
gms49ers
The NFL, for some time, has protected the marquee quarterbacks. Brady, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow - they all get the calls.
The lower tier QBs don't seem to get the same benefit. For instance, some of the hits that Darnold took from Chicago on Monday night would have been a flag frenzy if any of the marquee QBs were hit like that. And I am not in any way a fan of anything Seahawks related. I am a fan of balanced officiating - and that hasn't been the case for a while.

My team is not immune to this - Fred Warner laid some vicious hits in the Commanders game that I thought should have been flagged - one was, but they picked it up.

Not a good look on NFL officials.
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The only people who deny what Brady got from the officials are Brady fans
I doubt that. The Patriots offense shifted to a more quick release setup to lessen risk of him getting hit in the second half of his career. And Brady also won 3 Super Bowls before he was considered a GOAT player to be protected by the refs. No one really knew who Brady even was with the tuck call. That was all about Belichick knowing which refs to hog tie family members of to get critical calls when needed.
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HBO Max and Paramount+ to Combine Into One Streaming Platform, Paramount Says HBO Brand Will 'Operate With Independence'

Paramount+ right now is at $13.99 for the ad-free with Showtime content and HBO MAX is now $22.99 for the 4K ad-free plan so together they are $36.98. By the time this goes through the approval process which I am sure will fly right through you would probably looking at $50 per month for the ad-free 4K plan combined. :mad:
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Jimbo
The name is being changed to Skydance and all of Paramount+, Showtime, DIscovery+, and HBO MAX streaming content is rumored to be merged into one streaming service.
So, what happens if you only want 1 or 2 of those, can you still get them individually ?
Juan
So, what happens if you only want 1 or 2 of those, can you still get them individually ?
The samething when you only wanted one or 2 channels on cable
Jimbo
The samething when you only wanted one or 2 channels on cable
Not hardly ....
I'm not trying to get 200 channels.
Juan
Not hardly ....
I'm not trying to get 200 channels.
But Paramount has a different agenda..to empty your wallet
dishstaller
But Paramount has a different agenda..to empty your wallet
There's a lot of that going around these days. It seems every time I turn around my Youtube Premium is going up another dollar.
S
There's a lot of that going around these days. It seems every time I turn around my Youtube Premium is going up another dollar.
use an adblocker :biggrin ;)
b4pjoe
use an adblocker :biggrin ;)
There on no ad blockers on my TV. Some people prefer watching content on a TV. :eeek
ncted
There on no ad blockers on my TV. Some people prefer watching content on a TV. :eeek
There are ways to block ads for your TV and other devices on your home network if you are willing to put in the effort.
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MikeD-C05
There are ways to block ads for your TV and other devices on your home network if you are willing to put in the effort.
Do say, How?
b4pjoe
There are ways to block ads for your TV and other devices on your home network if you are willing to put in the effort.
I am not willing as they keep changing the data and you keep having to block everything all over again. That is why I get the ad-free versions of the streaming services I use which includes Youtube.
dishstaller
I am not willing as they keep changing the data and you keep having to block everything all over again. That is why I get the ad-free versions of the streaming services I use which includes Youtube.
That is pretty much my take as well. At this point in my life I am willing to spend $$ to make my life more simple.
osu1991
Do say, How?
Pihole
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And it begins. Looking to trim $2 billion there will be a lot of people out of jobs.