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What would happen- Audit in Canada - best guess?

I'm curious about this hypothetical situation.

-Mailing address in upstate New York
-Service Address in Manhattan
-Telephone number in Manhattan that works (Manhattan Area Code -cellular)
-2 ViP622s
-1 ViP211
-Receivers never connected to phone line (because I only have a cell ;) )

So, first off I am wondering if they will even bother to audit. If they call and ask, my receivers aren't plugged in because I don't have a land line. Does that wash? Will they just accept that? What might they do? Opinons? Should I even bother with this or is it doomed for failure. I'd hate to buy all that equipment.
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yooper.mi said:
I have three receivers, all connected to my home phone line, and was still audited.

Same here - I unplugged one for 3 weeks and got the audit, even though it was plugged back in by the time the audit took place. They gave me the speech of how I would be audited if the units were not connected to a phone line to call in.

I replied they all were and that they showed that they had called in - they checked and confirmed they had all called in that week, but the computer had already selected me for an audit based on the previous 2-3 weeks of not calling in.

I saw that D* (not E*) CFO's stated this past week that average units per sub were 2.4, so I suspect that 3 or higher is the magic number - although I believe someone stated in another thread they were audited with 1 STB.
iafirebuff
Thanks for the info! I have had these for yers with no problems, and have been told by numerous Dish employees and CEO team there is no problem with having a receiver in a motorhome, camper, etc. Seems kinda strange that they encourage you to do it, then penalize you.
Stargazer
This is why some have already went to Directv because they treat you like a criminal from the getgo and why many more will be going to Directv in the future. If I get anothe audit then I am going to Directv. The advantages of having Dish Network over Directv is almost gone now. I rarely watch supers and do not need them because the CW feed is in my locals package. Dish charging DVR fee per receiver wipes away their additional outlet fee savings on the dual tuner receivers. The only advantage is Dish Network's annual packages being able to save a little. If one was to get audited enough and get programming shut off then it aint worth keeping to save that little amount and Directv hardware is cheaper anyways.
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iafirebuff said:
Thanks for the info! I have had these for yers with no problems, and have been told by numerous Dish employees and CEO team there is no problem with having a receiver in a motorhome, camper, etc. Seems kinda strange that they encourage you to do it, then penalize you.
1. I've read on one thread or another, that with vacation homes, that they are forgiving on activating and de-activating programming. But I still don't think that would be convienent for a 2nd Home/Weekend Home/Camp/Cabin that you might visit regularly.

2. I don't know how the RV/Trucker account works, but I guess they expect you to get a RV account. However, that would be for the birds if they are going to charge you the full price as in another account.
The only advantage is Dish Network's annual packages being able to save a little.
I don't know if they still have one month off for paying annual on a AT package or not. I do know they have it for some international packages. However, they do not have any savings on the HD packages.
mbarnes
I've been with Dish since 1997. I've got two receivers, the original one I bought at Sears and one I bought a few years ago at a yard sale. It did take them two days to activate the yard sale box, but no problems since. Neither box has been connected to a phone line ever. I told them I was a full time RVer and I had no phone. I gave them a number for a message service I used when I signed up. One time when I called them for some problem and gave them the number, they got real confused that there were about 175 accounts all giving the same 800 number :-)

Anyhow, I have never been audited, never even knew they did audits until I came across this post.

I guess its like jury duty. Some get called 2-3 times per year, some never get called.
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I just heard about this Dish Anywhere. I have a Hopper in the living room, a Joey in the basement, and antenna tv in the bed room. As I understand it I can get rid of my Joey I could save a few bucks but that tv and the bedroom tv are not smart tv's. How would I handle that? If with a Firestick what remote would I use or would I have to use 2 of them? I have good internet with starlink so wifi wouldn't be a problem. If someone could guide me to a link that a old man could understand I would appreciate it.
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tornado
Rambling about picture quality.

Satellite channels with the Joey 4 look better on the old 65 LG oled than with the Hopper 3 on the newer Sony 77 oled.

I don't have a Hopper Plus.

Maybe the satellite picture quality with the Hopper Plus would be better than the Hopper 3 satellite box?

Trying streaming from Dish Anywhere app to see if the stream is better than sat.

Picture using Dish Anywhere on my latest Apple TV 4K box on the channel I'm watching started out alternating between fuzzy and clear.

The picture stabilized after a few minutes.

I have an old Apple TV HD connected to and big older TV.

I had to remove Dish Anywhere application and reinstall it to get it working on the old TV with the Apple TV HD.

I hooked up a Google box to a non oled 43 inch LG 4K set.

The Google box Dish Anywhere combination looks and works great.

Wonder what the picture quality will be with a wireless Joey 4 for the satellite chanels?
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Rambling about picture quality.

Satellite channels with the Joey 4 look better on the old 65 LG oled than with the Hopper 3 on the newer Sony 77 oled.

I don't have a Hopper Plus.

Maybe the satellite picture quality with the Hopper Plus would be better than the Hopper 3 satellite box?

Trying streaming from Dish Anywhere app to see if the stream is better than sat.

Picture using Dish Anywhere on my latest Apple TV 4K box on the channel I'm watching started out alternating between fuzzy and clear.

The picture stabilized after a few minutes.

I have an old Apple TV HD connected to and big older TV.

I had to remove Dish Anywhere application and reinstall it to get it working on the old TV with the Apple TV HD.

I hooked up a Google box to a non oled 43 inch LG 4K set.

The Google box Dish Anywhere combination looks and works great.

Wonder what the picture quality will be with a wireless Joey 4 for the satellite chanels?
The Hopper3 outputs 1080i unless the content requires 1080P or 2160P (4K)
The Plus and the Joey4s upscale all content to 2160P, and also flag the content as HDR regardless of the actual color profile. How the TV will handle that depends on the HDMI setting.

So, it's possible that the difference you are seeing is related to the upscaling performance, or the possible HDR settings on your TV.
tornado
The Hopper3 outputs 1080i unless the content requires 1080P or 2160P (4K)
The Plus and the Joey4s upscale all content to 2160P, and also flag the content as HDR regardless of the actual color profile. How the TV will handle that depends on the HDMI setting.

So, it's possible that the difference you are seeing is related to the upscaling performance, or the possible HDR settings on your TV.
This information makes me want to try a Plus or Joey4 on my newer 77 Sony oled to see if the picture is better.

I wonder if the Wireless Joey 4 will output to my 32 inch QHD (2K) computer monitor?

I once hooked up an Apple TV box to my computer monitor and it worked I think.

I don't know what resolution the Apple TV was sending to the computer monitor.

I'm very pleased with the picture from the Joey4 on my TV.

The satellite channels picture quality from the Hopper 3 on my newer 77 Sony oled could be better.

Perhaps the satellite channels being output 1080i?

Maybe it is the large screen size?

I am not sure why the picture seems a little less good from the Hopper 3 on my newer 77 Sony oled?

I have tried the Joey4 on an older 43 inch 4K LG non oled that doesn't do HDR.

Joey4 is great!!!

Can't wait to get the Wireless Joey 4.

Maybe a Plus or Joey4 newer would look better on my 77 inch TV?

Thank you for your help.
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This information makes me want to try a Plus or Joey4 on my newer 77 Sony oled to see if the picture is better.

I wonder if the Wireless Joey 4 will output to my 32 inch QHD (2K) computer monitor?

I once hooked up an Apple TV box to my computer monitor and it worked I think.

I don't know what resolution the Apple TV was sending to the computer monitor.

I'm very pleased with the picture from the Joey4 on my TV.

The satellite channels picture quality from the Hopper 3 on my newer 77 Sony oled could be better.

Perhaps the satellite channels being output 1080i?

Maybe it is the large screen size?

I am not sure why the picture seems a little less good from the Hopper 3 on my newer 77 Sony oled?

I have tried the Joey4 on an older 43 inch 4K LG non oled that doesn't do HDR.

Joey4 is great!!!

Can't wait to get the Wireless Joey 4.

Maybe a Plus or Joey4 newer would look better on my 77 inch TV?

Thank you for your help.
we have a 77 inch oled sony our hopper 3 looks amazing on it!! as good as direct would and for the standard def channels it upscales awesome. i wonder if it's something in the tv settings or something going on with the hopper.. 🤔 we have an LG oled tv in the truck with an apple tv and it looks great to using dish anywhere. the joey 4's are an awesome client!!!
Almighty1
we have a 77 inch oled sony our hopper 3 looks amazing on it!! as good as direct would and for the standard def channels it upscales awesome. i wonder if it's something in the tv settings or something going on with the hopper.. 🤔 we have an LG oled tv in the truck with an apple tv and it looks great to using dish anywhere. the joey 4's are an awesome client!!!
Sony uses LG OLED Display panels but the electronics makes the difference in the processing of the signal.

As for Dish Anywhere, your speed is the full WiFi/Ethernet speed at home so it's giving maximum bandwidth available and should still be good on the iPhone when at home. When you are using an external connection, it is limited by the upload speeds of your internet connection depending what you have. For me, I have 1.4Gbps download but 42Mbps upload and of course DISH Anywhere does not use the full 42Mbps either.
tornado
Sony uses LG OLED Display panels but the electronics makes the difference in the processing of the signal.

As for Dish Anywhere, your speed is the full WiFi/Ethernet speed at home so it's giving maximum bandwidth available and should still be good on the iPhone when at home. When you are using an external connection, it is limited by the upload speeds of your internet connection depending what you have. For me, I have 1.4Gbps download but 42Mbps upload and of course DISH Anywhere does not use the full 42Mbps either.
About the Sony. This is correct.

Models change and companies change every year sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse, but Sony has generally been good.

I think there was a Sony oled one year that used a Samsung panel and may have been great.

I think TCL is going to start making stuff for Sony.

I just ordered a Hopper Plus but I will be hesitant to use it because of the greater complexity having to have one more thing plugged into my Hopper 3.

I don't know how the Hopper Plus will affect the picture quality.

With the Hopper Plus plugged into the Hopper 3 it will be every hole filled.

I don't know which one of the three USB ports I should plug the Hopper Plus into?

On the bright side with the Hopper Plus I should be able to view and control Google Home on my big screen.

For Dish Anywhere I am sure network/internet connection is important.
Bobby
About the Sony. This is correct.

Models change and companies change every year sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse.

I think there was a Sony oled one year that used a Samsung panel and may have been great.

I think TCL is going to start making stuff for Sony.

I just ordered a Hopper Plus but I will be hesitant to use it because of the greater complexity having to have one more thing plugged into my Hopper 3.

I don't know how it will effect the picture quality.

With the Hopper Plus plugged into the Hopper 3 it will be every hole filled.

I don't know Which one of the three USB ports I should plug the Hopper Plus into?

On the bright side with the Hopper Plus I should be able to view and control Google Home on my big screen.

For Dish Anywhere I am sure network/internet connection is important.
You can get a USB Hub and plug it into one of the rear USB ports and expand on your inputs without using the USB port on the front of your Hopper 3.
tornado
You can get a USB Hub and plug it into one of the rear USB ports and expand on your inputs without using the USB port on the front of your Hopper 3.
That's an idea.
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Sony uses LG OLED Display panels but the electronics makes the difference in the processing of the signal.

As for Dish Anywhere, your speed is the full WiFi/Ethernet speed at home so it's giving maximum bandwidth available and should still be good on the iPhone when at home. When you are using an external connection, it is limited by the upload speeds of your internet connection depending what you have. For me, I have 1.4Gbps download but 42Mbps upload and of course DISH Anywhere does not use the full 42Mbps either.
sony does use LG panels is correct. and the electronics do make a difference in the processing of the signal wich is also true. though sony also cherry picks the panels to.
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I recommend the USB hub be self powered. Gives you options to add unpowered EHDs without concern about stressing your internal power supply.
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Weird.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Mack the Knife - Bobby Darin
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Bobby Sox to Stockings -- Frankie Avalon
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No Bobby No - The Honeys
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Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum
The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D9S, D16
@103W.... D10, D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​



See also

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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Someone posted this over@avsforums re: are the FanDuel RSN's actually ever shutting down...which might explain why they're still on DirecTV:

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DirecTV Satellite Transponder Updates for Jul 15 2026

Comparison of Transponder Data for Jul 15 2026 vs Jul 08 2026:


No changes in system tables for any transponder tuning parameters.

Stream (PID) counts:

LIVE Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
4​
HD​
269​
-6​
1447​
50​
SD mpeg4
142​
-2​
194​
6​
SD mpeg2
443​
2​
RB​
Audio​
89​
Push​
26​
Slate​
19​
1​
TEST Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
HD​
1​
SD mpeg4
SD mpeg2
RB​
Engr Work​
49​
7​


The PID count Excel workbook provides much more count detail.

Newly updated tables of Streams on each transponder are available in the DataDigesters TPN Grids

More details of changes in individual channels will follow in the Weekly Analysis
and Gary Toma's Domestic TPN Map Excel files
The Open Golf channels active
Another round of LIL reshuffles
Weekly Analysis soon
Enjoy
DataDigesters
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Weekly Analysis for 7/15/2026:
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COOL/2 was added to some more markets, and removed from Orlando where it was added last week even though it conflicted with WESH/2

Scripps returns

Open prep

Some TPN swaps
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The Atlanta Hawks will be on WANF/46 and simulcasted on Gray's Peachtree Sports Network subchannels in Albany, Augusta, Columbus, Macon and Savannah
https://www.nba.com/hawks/news/atlanta-news-first-to-become-atlanta-hawks-first-for-july16
teachsac
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My mom always had this on back in the 70's. Watched the first episode today. Was pretty good.
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NYDutch
Once I got past the new actors playing familiar characters, I found the series good, but a bit dark compared to the original.
teachsac
Once I got past the new actors playing familiar characters, I found the series good, but a bit dark compared to the original.
I'm on episode 3. I like the cast. I had my doubts, too, but liking it. I like Laura. Not really find of Mary.
comfortably_numb
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I'm still experimenting with OTA antennas at my new apartment. The mudflap works OK, but we had a dust/wind/rain storm the other day and it all but blew it away. I moved it indoors where the antenna is safer but the signals are marginal.

I bought a traditional Yagi antenna from Amazon and it seems to work more consistently, plus it's meant for outdoors where the mudflap is not.

Anyway, I've had success using umbrella bases paired with a fence post for satellite dishes, and I figured that could work for this as well. I'm just not sure where or what to get and what size pole for this application.

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navychop
It really looks like exercise gear.
Jimbo
It really looks like exercise gear.
Well, there ya go ... if it doesn't work out for the TV ...

Then again, most don't use thier exercise stuff after the first few weeks.
primestar31
Then again, most don't use thier exercise stuff after the first few weeks.
Yes they do, where else would you hang your clothes? LOL
Jimbo
Yes they do, where else would you hang your clothes? LOL
Well, They go on your Treadmill ... :)
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Extension arrived today and installed. Greatly improved my signal strength/quality. Thanks primestar31

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These are my opinions, so dont kill me LOL
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Scott Greczkowski
My favorite receiver besides the amazing Hopper 3 was the DishPlayer 7200. I loved that thing as buggy as it was. It was the future!
MikeD-C05
My favorite receiver besides the amazing Hopper 3 was the DishPlayer 7200. I loved that thing as buggy as it was. It was the future!
I had both the 7100 and 7200 dishplayer starting in 1999. My first exposure to the internet at my house using the WebTV feature. We loved it till they had a fight between Microsoft and DISH and then I can't remember how many of those damn boxes I ended up replacing till I just gave up and went with a regular receiver again and used it with my VCR.

But then the 501 PVR came out and the 510 and the 522 standard def receiver but it still didn't have name-based recording. Then the 942 receivers were even better with built in ota tuner and name- based recording. Had two of those in 2005. But only 250GB hard drive for like 25 hours of HD recording, but it did have dual room use, like the 722k that came later did.
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I had both the 7100 and 7200 dishplayer starting in 1999. My first exposure to the internet at my house using the WebTV feature. We loved it till they had a fight between Microsoft and DISH and then I can't remember how many of those damn boxes I ended up replacing till I just gave up and went with a regular receiver again and used it with my VCR.

But then the 501 PVR came out and the 510 and the 522 standard def receiver but it still didn't have name-based recording. Then the 942 receivers were even better with built in ota tuner and name- based recording. Had two of those in 2005. But only 250GB hard drive for like 25 hours of HD recording, but it did have dual room use, like the 722k that came later did.
Didn't they add the NBR at some point to the 50x series? I stayed away from dishplayer and my instincts were right.
Before the 3000, 4000 and 5000 there was the 2000. It came in two versions, one IR and the deluxe model was UHF. Looked just like the later receivers. The 4000 was a huge piece of junk, it suffered from random dropouts they never fixed. I think Charlie admitted to it being due to the chipset in one of the chats.
All I ever saw or heard about were the 3000 and 4000, which came out at launch in 1996. They actually had 2 lines of them, Echostar branded and HTS (remember that?) branded. Same model #s, though. Neither of them were particularly problematic to my observation. I never saw such described issues with the 4000. It was my main go-to because I liked to offer remote room use.

So this 2000, was it some kind of pre-launch receiver, like a demonstrator? Having the option of either UHF or IR under the same model # seems odd. Is there a pic of this box anywhere?

One also needs to remember that in the same timeframe DTV (through its partnering mfr's) didn't offer radio remote. DiSH was different in taking its manufacturing in-house, but of course that was its previous Echosphere/Echostar c-band model, since its purchase of HTS. And probably most of the c-band systems they sold were UHF remote.
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So this 2000, was it some kind of pre-launch receiver, like a demonstrator? Having the option of either UHF or IR under the same model # seems odd. Is there a pic of this box anywhere?

It looked identical to the 3000 and some were labeled 2200. No IR blaster for the VCR, I can't remember if the 3000 had one or not, the 4000 certainly did.
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Pictures are so small I can't tell which is which, except for the two that are named.
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It looked identical to the 3000 and some were labeled 2200. No IR blaster for the VCR, I can't remember if the 3000 had one or not, the 4000 certainly did.
That may have been reserved to the 5000, if it was available in the early models at all. It was not a 4000 feature as far as I remember. I really first recall it with 4700 (and not 3700).
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