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Last reply Sep 16, 2006 · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

Directv HR20 - Lease v. Buy?

I have been awaiting the release of the new HR20 receiver but I had not considered the pros/cons of the lease/buy decision.

In short, you can buy the receiver directly from Best Buy for $299 and own the receiver. Directv then charges you $100 for installation.

Otherwise, you can lease the receiver from Directv for $299 (+ $20 s/h) and get the installation free.

Aside from saving $80, are there other factors to consider when determing whether to lease or buy? At present, owning the receiver has no value to me.

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raoul5788

Sep 15, 2006

asousa said:
if you cancel you have to send it back.... would you still have to pay the contract breaking fee?

If you have not fulfilled the commitment, then yes there is a pro rated fee. I am not sure what it is, though.

johnml

Sep 15, 2006

I thought I read in a thread that if you return the equipment, than all is forgotten ? Is that true ? or do you still have to pay a cancelation fee ?

randyk47

Sep 15, 2006

Got to jump in here and ask a question. I gather from reading different threads on this board that the answers you get from D* sometimes vary from CSR to CSR. I'm considering changing out one of my units to an HR20. I don't see much sense in buying it but I called to ask if I'd pay lease fee if it was my primary. The CSR said the lease fee only applies to second unit and that there'd be no other charge. I repeated what I thought I was hearing....no matter what, lease or buy, the second unit costs you $4.99 per month in either lease or mirroring charge and the primary unit, owned or lease, is included in the basic package. He replied "Yes, you got it." Does that make sense or did I get a bad answer from the CSR. My gut feeling is if this is true then leasing, with the extended warranty coverage, makes much more sense than purchase with the 90 day warranty. I'm not into selling my owned equipment and the units I don't send to my brother-in-law just get stacked up in storage right now.

Jimbo

Sep 16, 2006

johnml said:
I thought I read in a thread that if you return the equipment, than all is forgotten ? Is that true ? or do you still have to pay a cancelation fee ?

I think I read that they divide you months use ( from your 2 yr commitment) and change you by the number of months left, but I don't know what the figures are that they start with to determine the value.
Would it be x the 5 lease fee ? maybe, (5x 24 months = $ 120.) so I really don't know for sure how they arrive at a figure.

Jimbo

raoul5788

Sep 16, 2006

randyk47 said:
Got to jump in here and ask a question. I gather from reading different threads on this board that the answers you get from D* sometimes vary from CSR to CSR. I'm considering changing out one of my units to an HR20. I don't see much sense in buying it but I called to ask if I'd pay lease fee if it was my primary. The CSR said the lease fee only applies to second unit and that there'd be no other charge. I repeated what I thought I was hearing....no matter what, lease or buy, the second unit costs you $4.99 per month in either lease or mirroring charge and the primary unit, owned or lease, is included in the basic package. He replied "Yes, you got it." Does that make sense or did I get a bad answer from the CSR. My gut feeling is if this is true then leasing, with the extended warranty coverage, makes much more sense than purchase with the 90 day warranty. I'm not into selling my owned equipment and the units I don't send to my brother-in-law just get stacked up in storage right now.

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TVHabit

Last reply 50 minutes ago · posted in Free To Air (FTA) Discussion

Hybrid Dish setup

Picked up a sweet directv dish, mount, twin lnbs and a short cable.
Has anyone converted one to FTA? A Frankenstein of sorts...

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Brct203

Oct 13, 2026

would probably also work well for NHK on 101W and possibly for PBS on 99W. I used one for a while on 30W. Just keep in mind that because it's undersized for those satellites, it might work fine in clear weather but won't have much margin to account for signal degradation during rain/snow

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one_db_compression

Oct 13, 2026

If you can find one, the Shaw / Star Choice 75e ellipticals are great for use on 97, 99, and 101W. They are really just rebranded ChannelMaster 75 cm reflectors and use linear LNBFs by default out of the box.

Everyone else's mileage may vary.

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TVHabit

Sunday at 10:12 AM

I have read that some have converted this type dish but after giving it a good look, it's the lnb conversion that is the bottleneck. Does anyone have a picture of their attempt to configure the lnb? I watched a video on youtube from the save it for parts guy and he used duct tape! Guess it worked but I'm thinking something a bit more permanent!
Thanks to all for your interest and replies...

Titanium

Sunday at 3:38 PM

Many of us have used a universal LNBF mount (or get creative with L brackets and plumbers tape - perforated metal strapping). Use a few inches of aluminum tube (or a piece of 1x2" lumber) to extend the support arm (replacing the plastic mount used by DirecTV and Dish) to place the LNBF throat opening at the correct distance from the reflector, the correct height and at the correct angle. Nothing magical... simply place the new linear LNBF in the center at the same distance, height and angle as the current combo.
www.amazon.com/Universal-Single-Bracket-Holder-FTA-US/dp/B074L85WK2

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k4otl

50 minutes ago

To add: 101W Ku seems to be (one of if not the) strongest for me, and if I only had Ku I definitely want 101W for the music mux, it's robust FEC and strong signal help a lot. I've thought about using a used Dish/DirectTV dish at my Dads to supplement his OTA (mainly for my benefit when I visit

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Scott Greczkowski

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Last reply Today at 5:59 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

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One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

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Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

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Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

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An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Hurts done for the season now

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Yesterday at 6:19 PM

I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:

Colts relieve general manager Chris Ballard of his duties

Colts Owner & CEO Carlie Irsay-Gordon released a statement Monday announcing the news.

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Yesterday at 9:00 PM

Foxbat said:
I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:

Colts relieve general manager Chris Ballard of his duties

Colts Owner & CEO Carlie Irsay-Gordon released a statement Monday announcing the news.

www.colts.com

Be nice to see a Cowboy headline like that.

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Yesterday at 9:35 PM

Foxbat said:
I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:

Colts relieve general manager Chris Ballard of his duties

Colts Owner & CEO Carlie Irsay-Gordon released a statement Monday announcing the news.

www.colts.com

Can we expect to see a new coach if we say "pretty please?"

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Yesterday at 11:25 PM

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Last reply Yesterday at 10:34 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

No idea what improvements might be involved.

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naptime

Sunday at 1:05 AM

I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

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jsmit86

Yesterday at 9:57 AM

naptime said:
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

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long_time_Dish

Yesterday at 3:57 PM

jsmit86 said:
They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin

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Almighty1

Yesterday at 4:07 PM

jsmit86 said:
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.

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navychop

Yesterday at 5:53 PM

Almighty1 said:
it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 10:34 PM

Almighty1 said:
it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

Oh....you were serious

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Generative AI: Revolutionizing Game NPC Dialogue & Behavior? #shorts

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Last reply Yesterday at 10:14 PM · posted in TV Shows

S.W.A.T. Exiles (Starz)

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Aug 1, 2026

Never watched the previous shows, so doubtful.

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Started watching yesterday. Not too bad.

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Wife likes it.

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Last reply Yesterday at 8:36 PM · posted in TV Shows

Stargate SG-1 Discussion

Stargate SG-1 cancelled, Atlantis renewed

Monday - August 21, 2006 | by Darren Sumner

The future of Stargate is in question today, as SCI FI Channel has cancelled the long-running Stargate SG-1, Multichannel News reported today and a GateWorld source has confirmed. The news regrettably follows the airing of the show's milestone two-hundredth episode on Friday.

Stargate Atlantis, meanwhile, has been renewed for a fourth season, with the network hoping to see that the spin-off series can stand alone, according to a source.
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reubenray

Yesterday at 1:30 PM

I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?

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Yesterday at 2:00 PM

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long_time_Dish

Yesterday at 3:47 PM

reubenray said:
I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?

Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.

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reubenray

Yesterday at 3:54 PM

long_time_Dish said:
Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.

Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.

long_time_Dish

Yesterday at 8:36 PM

reubenray said:
Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.

If I understand your question, O'Neill had the Ancient's knowledge in the "Lost City" two-part episode. That was when Anubis attacked Earth and there was a big battle over Antarctica.

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