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Hello All:

Got myself a 33" Digiwave dish (S750WB), HH990 (SPM990) Digiwave motor and Digiwave 7000 receiver and was doing the setup on the weekend. After getting the setup mounted, I spent a few hours trying to tune my closest due south satellite but was not able to pick up AMC-5 with a linear LNBF (DGL990D - I've been assured that it is a linear lnb and some research on the net seems to agree).

I've read the instructions a number of times now and it all makes sense with the tracking arc, declination, magnetic deviation, ... but I'm not picking up any channels. I must be missing/mis-interpreting something?

Ok, first of all I have checked the mount and it is plumb (in all directions). I then set up the motor for lattitude/elevation (44 degree) on the motor mount. Then I have setup the dish elevation as 30 degrees minus my declination in the manual of 6.7 degrees = 23.3. Then I've aligned the dish arm with center of motor mount arm. I've then set the motor 0 degree reference point to take into account magnetic deviation for Toronto (10.5), so I am setting true south as 190.5 degree on compass. I've tweaked to the east a step or two (and I've tweaked to the west...) but I can't get anything channels scanned on AMC-5. I've left the LNB skew at 0 as the motor show keep it aligned with arc.

For my location lattitude is 44 & Longitude 79, look angles should be 179.4 & elevation 39 degrees, so AMC-5 should be right there. Since I'm using a motor, I've disregarded the 39 elevation setting and set according to instructions for motor (and in the end It should be 39 degrees from the horizontal plane - if I'm understanding this stuff). I've also tried searching for other sats so something that I'm taking as true must be off (I've checked and re-checked mount and settings) or equipment not functioning.

At this point, I suspect either LNBF or Dish itself and was wondering how I can measure the location of the lnb (offset) to verify the arm and lnb holder is in the correct position. Is there any test for lnb checking (other than trying another)?

If someone sees where I've made an error in calculation or understanding, I would much appreciate you pointing it out.

Thanks,
Jaime
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J
Ok, we're in business :).

I was quickly able to locate 91 with the circular lnb by setting the elevation to desired value subtracting 22.7 from the stamped scale (I set a temporary reference point). I then swapped in the linear lnb and was able to lock in amc-5., tweaked for best signal and got a picture up in no time. I then used a permanent marker to set a true south reference point on the pole (it was about 10 degrees from where I was thinking it was).

I then moved onto getting the motor setup. With the reference point now setup, it didn't take long. I ran outta time so I wasn't able to tune the east/west sats (or even look for them), as it was already dark by the time I finished the motor setup and playing with a few issues that I ran into... I'll have to sort them out:

1. the clamping force of the dish bracket wasn't enough to keep the dish from moving with a little bit of applied force on the motor shaft. I ended up overtighting the bolt... backed it off a little bit so it was onto better thread section and tighten the other side. I can also see the metal bracket colapsing when tighting - so I doubt I'll ever get enough grab with this hardware.
- I'm thinking of drilling a hole through the back of the bracket and into the motor shaft (it's hollow) and using a self tapping screw to keep the two locked together.

2. The darn motor or receiver is stuck on the keeping the wrong position for amc-5. I've told the receiver/motor to re-sync a number of times after I've used receiver to get the motor back to 0... also used manual adjustments through receiver and then set function... but it always go back to the initial location it has for the satellite. Atleast I can use goto 0 function to get it back centered again. I'm not sure if it's the motor or receiver that's at fault. I'm kinda suspecting receiver as I tried blowing away the antenna setup, but that also seems to be coming back. I can also try the motor reset procedure (didn't have a small enough wire to do it, otherwise I would have done that too).

3. I was issuing motor commands and their seems to be very little synchronization/motor control between motor and receiver. Often as it was spinning off to the wrong location for amc-5, I was issuing 'stop' or 'move west' commands and it simply ignored those commands. Othertimes it seemed it queued them until it got to the target location and then reacted. A few times it also interpret them as go full west because it had queued up a few individual go west commands. Is this typical for these motors? Does the sg2100 have better synchronization? I 'm most likely stuck with this motor at this stage (and especially if I start drilling a hole into the shaft), but If the sg2100 is that much better, it'll be worth a try to see if I can swap (there was only a few dollars difference).

Any comments or other recommendations on these issues?

Thanks,
J
The u-bolt worked great. I just had to enlarge the holes on the bracket.

I reset the motor and then tuned in amc-5, g10r and IA-5. Still not happy with the way the it seems to be squirrely at times trying to adjust sat positions... maybe it's just the receiver. The guide seems to be pretty slow though and pretty much non-existing (I dunno if this is the receiver or just that the guide data isn't available on some of the sats.

Next, want to check out the sticky on what's out there and hunt done an uptodate sat tp/freq list that I can load.

Thanks again.
PSB
PSB
What channels and satellites do you get the "guide" on?
J
I just confirmed the guide data was from 110 (check zap2it guide). I had picked it up during my setup (after I did a factory reset of the receiver trying to get motor and receiver in-sync). So I saw the leftovers guide bits when I was moving around on t-5 or g10r. So it was a false alarm. me bad.
M
some of the channels on IA5 have a guide for some odd reason...of course its in some oddball language :)
J
Ok, we're in business :).

I was quickly able to locate 91 with the circular lnb by setting the elevation to desired value subtracting 22.7 from the stamped scale (I set a temporary reference point). I then swapped in the linear lnb and was able to lock in amc-5., tweaked for best signal and got a picture up in no time. I then used a permanent marker to set a true south reference point on the pole (it was about 10 degrees from where I was thinking it was).

I then moved onto getting the motor setup. With the reference point now setup, it didn't take long. I ran outta time so I wasn't able to tune the east/west sats (or even look for them), as it was already dark by the time I finished the motor setup and playing with a few issues that I ran into... I'll have to sort them out:

1. the clamping force of the dish bracket wasn't enough to keep the dish from moving with a little bit of applied force on the motor shaft. I ended up overtighting the bolt... backed it off a little bit so it was onto better thread section and tighten the other side. I can also see the metal bracket colapsing when tighting - so I doubt I'll ever get enough grab with this hardware.
- I'm thinking of drilling a hole through the back of the bracket and into the motor shaft (it's hollow) and using a self tapping screw to keep the two locked together.

2. The darn motor or receiver is stuck on the keeping the wrong position for amc-5. I've told the receiver/motor to re-sync a number of times after I've used receiver to get the motor back to 0... also used manual adjustments through receiver and then set function... but it always go back to the initial location it has for the satellite. Atleast I can use goto 0 function to get it back centered again. I'm not sure if it's the motor or receiver that's at fault. I'm kinda suspecting receiver as I tried blowing away the antenna setup, but that also seems to be coming back. I can also try the motor reset procedure (didn't have a small enough wire to do it, otherwise I would have done that too).

3. I was issuing motor commands and their seems to be very little synchronization/motor control between motor and receiver. Often as it was spinning off to the wrong location for amc-5, I was issuing 'stop' or 'move west' commands and it simply ignored those commands. Othertimes it seemed it queued them until it got to the target location and then reacted. A few times it also interpret them as go full west because it had queued up a few individual go west commands. Is this typical for these motors? Does the sg2100 have better synchronization? I 'm most likely stuck with this motor at this stage (and especially if I start drilling a hole into the shaft), but If the sg2100 is that much better, it'll be worth a try to see if I can swap (there was only a few dollars difference).

Any comments or other recommendations on these issues?

Thanks,


I purchased exactly the same dish but not motor at all and I had exactly the same problem, it was hard to get any signal o quality, to start, this dish does not have the elevation indicator therefore you have to find something from home depot that will help you finde the angle of the elevation. In my opinion these DigiWave products are BS, I also bought a DigiWave sattellite finder, the instruction is very poor and there is not support whatsoever. Good Luck my friend.
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.
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Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.
Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.
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Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.
Jerry made himself General Manager after he bought the team but make no mistake Jimmy engineered that trade. As well as a lot of others at the time.
rvvaquero
Jimmy Johnson is a football guy. Jerry Jones is a marketer (hustler).

When I see a football player get a 15 yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct (like taunting) in a close game, I often wonder what he was thinking. Was he thinking, I'm doing everything I can to make this a better team and help win a championship? Or, was he saying to himself, I want everyone to notice how great I am?

Johnson inspires one, Jones the other.
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Got to unfurl and hold the flag at Allegiant for the anthem today - amazing experience.
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Cowboys. Fireworks performance from their O.
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Browns. Still atop the AFC North.
Giants. Epic OT win with Buffalo's very own Motor Singletary finishing it off.
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Steelers vs Saints game. Ass, just ass all around. Those poor people in Paris have had enough lately, and on top of that, endure that game.
Chiefs. They looked terrible. Like really bad.
Pack vs. Detroit game refs. Some of the worst refereeing I've seen in a long time. And the sample is pretty large.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Dancing Days - Led Zeppelin
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Dancing in the Street - Van Halen
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Bakers Street - Gerry Rafferty
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Bakers Street - Gerry Rafferty
Let me fix that for you:
Baker Street - Gerry Rafferty
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The 59th Street Bridge Song -- Simon & Garfunkel
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Interesting article about the work being done to develope an ATSC 3 converter box. Yes it does mention affordable.
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primestar31
DEATH TO NEXGEN!
star trek GIF


It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.

There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
navychop
I truly hope you are right.
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What bothers me is the total waste of broadcasting spectrum in this very crowded market. It has been almost three years now since KFOX converted their broadcast tower to ATSC 3.0 and moved all of their channels to other towers causing noticeable degradation of the picture quality.
I have a Sony TV with 3.0 capabilities but still use the 1.0 version of locals due to the fact that one or all of the 3.0 channels are often missing or unwatchable. In this city of 800K I doubt that more than a few hundred even know about ATSC 3.0.
The only thing that could motivate me to be interested in 3.0 would be if all of the minor networks (diginets) could be in at least 720P rather than blurry ultra-compressed 480i.
Three years is long enough to waste one of the few available RF frequencies in the area for this trial.
It is time to either move on with this experiment or call it quits.
navychop
In this city of 800K I doubt that more than a few hundred even know about ATSC 3.0.

They might notice the hand going into their pocket for their wallet.
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It is time to either move on with this experiment or call it quits.

QFT. Of course, my preference involves a curb and some kicking.
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star trek GIF


It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.

There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
WHAT ABOUT THE INTERNET PART OF IT. NO ONE WANTS A BOX CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET EITHER.
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It's probably been 2 decades since I've listened to an AM radio station. Very rarely listen to FM any more.
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I am 1 that wants the AM to Stay ....
That said, since '08 I have had Sat radio available to me ... I think I have turned on AM 3 or 4 times, just to see if its still there.

Fwiw, if theres a Major disaster or bad weather or whatever, the chances of me finding out about it by going to the AM side of the radio is SLIM and None.
Even FM, I haven't really had on since '13ish, I may turn it on from time to time, just to see if its still there.
harshness
Fwiw, if theres a Major disaster or bad weather or whatever, the chances of me finding out about it by going to the AM side of the radio is SLIM and None.
Automation has seen to that. You can't get evening drive traffic reports where I live, much less disaster reports.
dishstaller
Very rarely listen to FM any more
That goes for a lot of people. I've been advertising on radio for more than a decade now and am very familiar with this subject. While it is still a valuable tool, it has far less impact than it did just a few years ago. The best reaction I get is from a local Country music station....they play a mix of older and newer music and have a very big footprint.
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That goes for a lot of people. I've been advertising on radio for more than a decade now and am very familiar with this subject. While it is still a valuable tool, it has far less impact than it did just a few years ago. The best reaction I get is from a local Country music station....they play a mix of older and newer music and have a very big footprint.
Do you do any Ad's on Satellite ?

If Not, why not, because it's not Local ?
dishstaller
Do you do any Ad's on Satellite ?

If Not, why not, because it's not Local ?
No, just regular FM stations. One is the country station I mentioned and the other is a Talk Radio station which used to get fantastic results but honestly, since the death of Rush Limbaugh, talk radio just doesn't do as well. There were two guys who had an early morning show which was hugely popular here in the southeast but one of them retired a couple years ago and the show just doesn't garner the same numbers as it used to.
S
Haven't listened AM or FM in years
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Bobby
Rest in peace.
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I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.
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Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.
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Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.
Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.
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Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.
I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.
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I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.
can't forget the little blue m&m's
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can't forget the little blue m&m's
That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!
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Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
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Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
Because he didn't have a fleet of reusable rockets. Starlink works because SpaceX is able to launch hundreds (thousands?) of their Starlink satellites for what a single geostationary Internet satellite costs to build and launch on a disposable launcher.
T
But how is it reusable if it's disposable
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That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!
My gf is 29 years younger than me :shh
Almighty1
Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
He does not have the resources aka $$$ compared to Elon Musk as in reality, Elon can eat Charlie for lunch or even mop the floor with Charlie if he wanted to.
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ment to 20 yrs dam phone
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