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Will Directv ever be able to rebroadcast comcast sportsnet in the Philadelphia area?
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Here's a little clarity on what I posted...either my buddy read it wrong or I heard it differently. I thought he said they did sign something with the FCC that prevented them from being on satellite.


Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 9:12 AM
Subject: RE: DirecTV Availability

Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia is a terrestrial cable television station. This means that we are not offered on satellite. You will not be able to receive any of our broadcasts outside of the Philadelphia viewing area.

The reason for this dates back to 1993 when Prism, our former station did not sign the FCC regulated satellite agreement. At this time they simply did not have the money. Prism, folded and we took over their airwaves in 1997. We needed an outlet in order to get our station on the airwaves so we signed with the new (at the time) up and coming cable company, Comcast. In this ten-year contract we agreed to only be offered on their Comcast cable carriers (with other cable companies like Blueridge, Adams Cable, Service Electric allowed to provide our station locally). After this contract expires in 2008 then we will renegotiate our options. We are very sorry about this situation and we understand that there are many Philadelphians, outside the area that would like to receive our station. This will be kept in mind when renegotiations come up. Thank you for your question.

Have a wonderful day,
CSN
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Here's a little clarity on what I posted...either my buddy read it wrong or I heard it differently. I thought he said they did sign something with the FCC that prevented them from being on satellite.


Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 9:12 AM
Subject: RE: DirecTV Availability

Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia is a terrestrial cable television station. This means that we are not offered on satellite. You will not be able to receive any of our broadcasts outside of the Philadelphia viewing area.

The reason for this dates back to 1993 when Prism, our former station did not sign the FCC regulated satellite agreement. At this time they simply did not have the money. Prism, folded and we took over their airwaves in 1997. We needed an outlet in order to get our station on the airwaves so we signed with the new (at the time) up and coming cable company, Comcast. In this ten-year contract we agreed to only be offered on their Comcast cable carriers (with other cable companies like Blueridge, Adams Cable, Service Electric allowed to provide our station locally). After this contract expires in 2008 then we will renegotiate our options. We are very sorry about this situation and we understand that there are many Philadelphians, outside the area that would like to receive our station. This will be kept in mind when renegotiations come up. Thank you for your question.

Have a wonderful day,
CSN

This explanation actually makes sense.
RFtech
This explanation actually makes sense.

FCC chairman offers cable sports deal, but leaves out Philadelphia
By Miriam Hill and Jeff Gelles
INQUIRER STAFF WRITERS

The chairman of the Federal Communications Commission has proposed a deal with Comcast Corp. and Time Warner Inc.: If they agree to conditions that include offering their local sports programming to competitors at reasonable prices, the FCC will approve their acquisition of cable systems owned by the bankrupt Adelphia Communications.

But the proposal will change nothing in Comcast's hometown of Philadelphia, said people familiar with its details.

Viewers here could watch most Phillies, Flyers and Sixers games on TV only on cable. Unless Comcast decides to change its policy, satellite customers would continue to miss out.

The FCC's bargain would apply only to other markets. FCC Chairman Kevin Martin's goal is to bar Comcast and Time Warner from keeping local sports to themselves elsewhere, according to two FCC officials who have seen the proposal and spoke today on condition of anonymity. Details of Martin's proposal were first reported Monday by USA Today.

The proposal, similar to rules imposed on News Corp., owner of Fox News, when it acquired DirecTV in 2003, would also require Comcast and Time Warner to accept binding arbitration in disputes over how much it can charge competitors for professional sports telecasts.

Comcast's ownership of local sports channels around the country, and the possibility that it could withhold sports elsewhere as it does in Philadelphia, was among the main reasons the Adelphia deal has become something of a logjam at the FCC, the officials said.

The complex deal, worth about $17 billion, was first proposed in April 2005, and includes a swap of systems already owned by Comcast and Time Warner that would increase their footprints in major markets that they already dominate. Comcast would not comment for this story because the deal is pending. The FCC also turned down a request for comment.

Separately, the judge overseeing Adelphia's bankruptcy case today granted the company permission to sell its assets to Time Warner and Comcast.

Judge Robert Gerber of the Southern District of New York said he would approve an order to detach the asset sale from the rest of Adelphia's bankruptcy process, allowing it to be executed without the approval of an overall restructuring plan. Adelphia sought the separation to bypass creditor disputes that have slowed the company in its filing of its plan.

The sale agreement with Time Warner and Comcast had been put in jeopardy because of a July 31 deadline at which the buyers could retract their offer. The offer includes a $12.7 billion cash component and the rest as shares in Time Warner. Once complete, the acquisitions would secure Time Warner's and Comcast's status as the two biggest cable operators in the nation.

Comcast's representatives have met repeatedly with FCC commissioners and staffers to press its case, and have done the same in testimony to congressional committees weighing proposals to rewrite an exemption in program-access requirements set by Congress in the Cable Act of 1992.

The law requires a cable company that owns programming distributed by satellite to allow other pay-TV companies to carry it. But it exempts programming distributed by land-based cables or wires.

Satellite companies such as DirecTV and Echostar, and competitive cable companies such as RCN Corp., argue that the exemption was intended to encourage cable companies to invest in news coverage and other local programming.

Echoed recently by some in Congress, they say the rule should not allow a cable company to restrict rivals' access to "must-have" local sports events, as Comcast does by withholding SportsNet from the satellite carriers.

Comcast has responded by pointing out that it has not used the exemption beyond Philadelphia, where the $22-billion-a-year company is headquartered, even though it now owns similar channels in Washington, D.C., Chicago and California.

The FCC chairman apparently accepted Comcast's argument that Philadelphia should remain an exception.

"The chairman just said, 'Let's make a deal. We'll protect your crown jewel,'" one of the FCC officials said.



See how you have to look at this is David L Cohen (Comcast VP)can sucks dick better than anyone. Martin shot his load. Now the comcast crown jewel is protected. Lets see, The Flyers Suck, The Sixers Suck, and the Phillies will suck too.
What a crown jewel. The only city in the US not to provide is local sports on small
Dish. The Evil Empire Rules...........bend over and grab your ankles.
dishcomm
FCC chairman offers cable sports deal, but leaves out Philadelphia
By Miriam Hill and Jeff Gelles
INQUIRER STAFF WRITERS

The chairman of the Federal Communications Commission has proposed a deal with Comcast Corp. and Time Warner Inc.: If they agree to conditions that include offering their local sports programming to competitors at reasonable prices, the FCC will approve their acquisition of cable systems owned by the bankrupt Adelphia Communications.

But the proposal will change nothing in Comcast's hometown of Philadelphia, said people familiar with its details.

Viewers here could watch most Phillies, Flyers and Sixers games on TV only on cable. Unless Comcast decides to change its policy, satellite customers would continue to miss out.

The FCC's bargain would apply only to other markets. FCC Chairman Kevin Martin's goal is to bar Comcast and Time Warner from keeping local sports to themselves elsewhere, according to two FCC officials who have seen the proposal and spoke today on condition of anonymity. Details of Martin's proposal were first reported Monday by USA Today.

The proposal, similar to rules imposed on News Corp., owner of Fox News, when it acquired DirecTV in 2003, would also require Comcast and Time Warner to accept binding arbitration in disputes over how much it can charge competitors for professional sports telecasts.

Comcast's ownership of local sports channels around the country, and the possibility that it could withhold sports elsewhere as it does in Philadelphia, was among the main reasons the Adelphia deal has become something of a logjam at the FCC, the officials said.

The complex deal, worth about $17 billion, was first proposed in April 2005, and includes a swap of systems already owned by Comcast and Time Warner that would increase their footprints in major markets that they already dominate. Comcast would not comment for this story because the deal is pending. The FCC also turned down a request for comment.

Separately, the judge overseeing Adelphia's bankruptcy case today granted the company permission to sell its assets to Time Warner and Comcast.

Judge Robert Gerber of the Southern District of New York said he would approve an order to detach the asset sale from the rest of Adelphia's bankruptcy process, allowing it to be executed without the approval of an overall restructuring plan. Adelphia sought the separation to bypass creditor disputes that have slowed the company in its filing of its plan.

The sale agreement with Time Warner and Comcast had been put in jeopardy because of a July 31 deadline at which the buyers could retract their offer. The offer includes a $12.7 billion cash component and the rest as shares in Time Warner. Once complete, the acquisitions would secure Time Warner's and Comcast's status as the two biggest cable operators in the nation.

Comcast's representatives have met repeatedly with FCC commissioners and staffers to press its case, and have done the same in testimony to congressional committees weighing proposals to rewrite an exemption in program-access requirements set by Congress in the Cable Act of 1992.

The law requires a cable company that owns programming distributed by satellite to allow other pay-TV companies to carry it. But it exempts programming distributed by land-based cables or wires.

Satellite companies such as DirecTV and Echostar, and competitive cable companies such as RCN Corp., argue that the exemption was intended to encourage cable companies to invest in news coverage and other local programming.

Echoed recently by some in Congress, they say the rule should not allow a cable company to restrict rivals' access to "must-have" local sports events, as Comcast does by withholding SportsNet from the satellite carriers.

Comcast has responded by pointing out that it has not used the exemption beyond Philadelphia, where the $22-billion-a-year company is headquartered, even though it now owns similar channels in Washington, D.C., Chicago and California.

The FCC chairman apparently accepted Comcast's argument that Philadelphia should remain an exception.

"The chairman just said, 'Let's make a deal. We'll protect your crown jewel,'" one of the FCC officials said.



See how you have to look at this is David L Cohen (Comcast VP)can sucks dick better than anyone. Martin shot his load. Now the comcast crown jewel is protected. Lets see, The Flyers Suck, The Sixers Suck, and the Phillies will suck too.
What a crown jewel. The only city in the US not to provide is local sports on small
Dish. The Evil Empire Rules...........bend over and grab your ankles.
I am so glad I don't live in the Philly Team's market....
However...This is business. Businesses do what they do to make money. While it may seem unfair or unjust for Comcast to withold it's pro sports signals from E* and D*, I look at it as a good business decision..As long as Comcast breaches no contract or violates any regulation, the company is within it's rights to make sure you sub to their product to see the games...Viewers in the Philly area who think it important enough to watch their teams will go to Comcast to see them..or they can choose not to...Public protest can change this..If enough Philly Comcast subs refuse the the SportsNet or churn to Satellite, Comcast will get the message..
Other than regulatory change or Comcast policy change, Philly fans can expect the status quo..
BTW, the FCC IMO has not functioned in the public interest for decades...
FCC regulatirs had an opportunity to once and for all settle Pro Sports league's territorial issues with reagrd to blackouts ot paying cable/satellite customers..The leagues sent in their lobbyists and the FCC caved..The Commission simply punted..Nothing got done..Those bastards played it safe
RFtech
I am so glad I don't live in the Philly Team's market....
However...This is business. Businesses do what they do to make money. While it may seem unfair or unjust for Comcast to withold it's pro sports signals from E* and D*, I look at it as a good business decision..As long as Comcast breaches no contract or violates any regulation, the company is within it's rights to make sure you sub to their product to see the games...Viewers in the Philly area who think it important enough to watch their teams will go to Comcast to see them..or they can choose not to...Public protest can change this..If enough Philly Comcast subs refuse the the SportsNet or churn to Satellite, Comcast will get the message..
Other than regulatory change or Comcast policy change, Philly fans can expect the status quo..
BTW, the FCC IMO has not functioned in the public interest for decades...
FCC regulatirs had an opportunity to once and for all settle Pro Sports league's territorial issues with reagrd to blackouts ot paying cable/satellite customers..The leagues sent in their lobbyists and the FCC caved..The Commission simply punted..Nothing got done..Those bastards played it safe

I don't have a problem with businesses making money but when tax dollars were spent to build the stadiums in the city everyone should be allowed to see the teams play on TV. Philadelphia is a sh*t hole of a city. It's always been know as the city of losers, this issue just shows why. As a person who lived in this crap all my life I now get more enjoyment in seeing them lose and watching all those CSN watchers pay for nothing. For the most part CSN Philadelphians are very stupid people.
dishcomm
I don't have a problem with businesses making money but when tax dollars were spent to build the stadiums in the city everyone should be allowed to see the teams play on TV. Philadelphia is a sh*t hole of a city. It's always been know as the city of losers, this issue just shows why. As a person who lived in this crap all my life I now get more enjoyment in seeing them lose and watching all those CSN watchers pay for nothing. For the most part CSN Philadelphians are very stupid people.
well I can agree with ya on the notion that Philly is a dumpy place...I have been in Center City and the Sports Complex areas....Now it has been a while since I have been to a sporting event in Philly..In fact the Wachovia Center was still called the First Union Center...Has the city done anything to clean up the areas around the sports venues?..All I can remember is how poorly lit the parking areas were..It seemed like a haven for muggers and other crooks just lying in wait for the sports fans heading for their cars..You really had to be alert..My friend and I were followed by a couple of guys we though were up to no good...So we split up and hid..We waited for them to start looking around and we snuck up on THEM!!!..They didn't know whether to sh*t or wind their wristwatches
I'm just glad they were a couple of 20 something punks and not armed...Although I didi have a handful of gravel ready to fire in their face if they got aggressive...Anyway....I find it intersting you are so bitter over the CSN thing that your would root against your hometown teams..It really isn't their fault you know..Oh well, to each his own..
rmmrph
I don't root against them. I just stopped watching. I used to be a die hard Flyers fan. Now, I might watch a small portion of the games that I could view (about 20- per season) It makes it whole lot easier though when the Flyers are as bad as they are this season.

Ryan
RFtech
well I can agree with ya on the notion that Philly is a dumpy place...I have been in Center City and the Sports Complex areas....Now it has been a while since I have been to a sporting event in Philly..In fact the Wachovia Center was still called the First Union Center...Has the city done anything to clean up the areas around the sports venues?..All I can remember is how poorly lit the parking areas were...

The area around the stadiums is kept nice because the teams only keep there stadiums looking good. I don't think they give much for cleaning the rest of the city areas, the teams only represent the stadium area. If they do give money to the city its probably filtered into someone's pocket, after all that is the Philadelphia way.
RFtech
I don't root against them. I just stopped watching. I used to be a die hard Flyers fan. Now, I might watch a small portion of the games that I could view (about 20- per season) It makes it whole lot easier though when the Flyers are as bad as they are this season.

Ryan

I use to live Phillies baseball and Flyers hockey but not anymore when you can't watch them after a while you don't miss it. You have to look at it this way no matter how the teams finish Comcast always wins, and the ownership really doesn't care. Philadelphians are sucked into this company and don't realize they will never win anything, and if they are lucky to get to the playoffs national TV will carry all the games. It's easier to jump on the band wagon when they win and you never spend money on the teams.
dishcomm
I don't root against them. I just stopped watching. I used to be a die hard Flyers fan. Now, I might watch a small portion of the games that I could view (about 20- per season) It makes it whole lot easier though when the Flyers are as bad as they are this season.

Ryan
Yes..the Flyers are bad....I have no clue what happened..That franchise has always had success..All this turmoil between Bob Clarke and the owners is porbably where it all started..
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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With A Little Luck - Wings
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LITTLE Willy-Sweet
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The Boys of Summer - Don Henley
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I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.
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I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.
Yes a lot cleaner, glossier, and less functional. Someone trying to justify why they are making a big salary. "See look shiny"
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navychop
"Big salary." Charlie. "?Big?"
Tampa8
Seems in some ways better. Nicer layout, as others said maybe cleaner. Moving ahead in the guide is better.
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I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
I think most are using it on a firestick or other device as an extra receiver, rather than their phone. Just a guess based on how I use it. 99% thru my firestick, 1% phone.
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Stargate SG-1 cancelled, Atlantis renewed
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Monday - August 21, 2006 | by Darren Sumner
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The future of Stargate is in question today, as SCI FI Channel has cancelled the long-running Stargate SG-1, Multichannel News reported today and a GateWorld source has confirmed. The news regrettably follows the airing of the show's milestone two-hundredth episode on Friday.

Stargate Atlantis, meanwhile, has been renewed for a fourth season, with the network hoping to see that the spin-off series can stand alone, according to a source.
Source Gateworld
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I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?
osu1991
long_time_Dish
I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?
Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.
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Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.
Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.
long_time_Dish
Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.
If I understand your question, O'Neill had the Ancient's knowledge in the "Lost City" two-part episode. That was when Anubis attacked Earth and there was a big battle over Antarctica.
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If I understand your question, O'Neill had the Ancient's knowledge in the "Lost City" two-part episode. That was when Anubis attacked Earth and there was a big battle over Antarctica.
Those are the episodes I am looking for. They are referred to a lot in the episodes I just recently watched.
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Last reply · posted in Free To Air (FTA) Discussion
Picked up a sweet directv dish, mount, twin lnbs and a short cable.
Has anyone converted one to FTA? A Frankenstein of sorts...
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would probably also work well for NHK on 101W and possibly for PBS on 99W. I used one for a while on 30W. Just keep in mind that because it's undersized for those satellites, it might work fine in clear weather but won't have much margin to account for signal degradation during rain/snow
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If you can find one, the Shaw / Star Choice 75e ellipticals are great for use on 97, 99, and 101W. They are really just rebranded ChannelMaster 75 cm reflectors and use linear LNBFs by default out of the box.

Everyone else's mileage may vary.
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I have read that some have converted this type dish but after giving it a good look, it's the lnb conversion that is the bottleneck. Does anyone have a picture of their attempt to configure the lnb? I watched a video on youtube from the save it for parts guy and he used duct tape! Guess it worked but I'm thinking something a bit more permanent!
Thanks to all for your interest and replies...
Titanium
Many of us have used a universal LNBF mount (or get creative with L brackets and plumbers tape - perforated metal strapping). Use a few inches of aluminum tube (or a piece of 1x2" lumber) to extend the support arm (replacing the plastic mount used by DirecTV and Dish) to place the LNBF throat opening at the correct distance from the reflector, the correct height and at the correct angle. Nothing magical... simply place the new linear LNBF in the center at the same distance, height and angle as the current combo.
www.amazon.com/Universal-Single-Bracket-Holder-FTA-US/dp/B074L85WK2
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To add: 101W Ku seems to be (one of if not the) strongest for me, and if I only had Ku I definitely want 101W for the music mux, it's robust FEC and strong signal help a lot. I've thought about using a used Dish/DirectTV dish at my Dads to supplement his OTA (mainly for my benefit when I visit :) )
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:
rvvaquero
I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:
Be nice to see a Cowboy headline like that.
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I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:

Can we expect to see a new coach if we say "pretty please?"
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Jeeez, Week 6, no lead is safe…
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
No idea what improvements might be involved.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
long_time_Dish
They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin
Almighty1
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.
navychop
it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

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it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner
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Oh....you were serious
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Hondo is back with a new squad 9/25 only on Starz.


View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/b0gPzA8KHEQ
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Never watched the previous shows, so doubtful.
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Started watching yesterday. Not too bad.
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Wife likes it.
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I like Zyra from La Brea (one with the prosthetic).