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MartyMcFly

Last reply Nov 4, 2006 · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info

How to set up signal booster?

I have a question about a regular HD antennae, with a signal booster. I originally had the antennae setup and there were 2 local channels that I was getting bad reception on. Fox and NBC. The rest of my locals which are within 2 degrees of each other and 2-3 miles come in great. So I bought a 28db PH61112 outdoor signal amplifier to boost the signal on FOX and NBC. It comes with a preamp and a amp.
Im not sure if i have it setup right. I have the preamp connected to the antennae on a 3 foot coaxial cable. The I have my 50 foot Coaxial coming out of the output of the preamp down to my tv. Then I have the amp hooked up and another 3 foot coaxial coming out of the output to the TV.
Is that right? cause it does not seem to be bosting the signal much. Should I move the amp up next to the preamp?
I would follow instrucions on how to set it up but there arent any with it. Even the picture isnt clear...

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MartyMcFly

Nov 3, 2006

Well the picture is clear. Its just on NBC and FOX it seems unstable. It will bounce between 75-70 and it seems when it hits 70 it blocks up and drops the signal. When you say having the booster that close to the transmitter what do you mean? From the really crappy picture that came with the booster it seems like thats how it was supposed to go. Tho I may be wrong.
Do you mean the preamp and the Amp part are supposed to go down by the TV rather than up by the antennae? I havent tried it like that.
I do seem to be getting 100% on 1 or 2 other channels now. So i think it is boosting the signals somewhat. But from what I have read in some other threads I may be overloading the 2 channels I am trying to help. Maybe thats the case...

bhelms

Nov 3, 2006

Agreed that you may have a problem with TOO MUCH signal strength on the two stations that are breaking-up for you, tho' you didn't mention how close those stations are to you. This is usually a result of the strong incident signal overloading the input of the preamp, or the net signal to the TV's tuner being too strong. It can also be a mix of strong adjacent channels overloading the weaker channels you're trying to receive. You might also have a multipath problem that can result in intermittent complete loss of the digital image. Even if the signal is still strong, the time delay between multiple paths of the identical signal can't be adequately resolved in the tuner. Sometimes rotating the antenna slightly can help with multipath problems.

If you have any analog signals in your mix, you can use them to advantage to help troubleshoot the system as the displayed PQ will vary continuously with the measures you take. But it's tough with the "all of nothing" digital signals.

I agree that you really shouldn't need any preamp at all for your close stations. Maybe a separate antenna with no booster pointed in that direction would work best for them, then you could use some other system for the distant channels that are breaking-up. You might even get away with just an inside antenna for the close stations. A dual antenna system can be combined with a "jointenna" device that only takes the intended signals from each antenna reducing the possibility of interference from multiple receiving devices.

I'm not familiar with the booster you have. The gain is only one important factor in the performance equation. You should also have a very low noise figure (like less than 3dB) and that's not always the case with high-gain models. Also, where you have a mix of both close and distant stations you probably need one with a high overload margin, like the Winegard HCP-269. It only has a moderate gain (~12dB, IIRC) but the highest overload factor of the consumer-grade models, and a really good noise figure as well.

I'm not sure about your booster type, but in most cases the preamp part is contained strictly in the housing that's mounted at the antenna. The other "half" is just the power supply. (A notable exception is some of the Blonder-Tongue units that also have some of the active RF circuitry in the inside unit.) You don't want to mount any power supply outside. There's generally no advantage to mounting it any closer to the outside unit if your total cable run is 100' or less.

Hope some of this helps...

MartyMcFly

Nov 3, 2006

Just so it helps...my address is
53 N. Clinton Ave. Clintonville WI 54929.
And I am trying to get my Green Bay Local stations. Which are about 40-42 miles east of me.

Also is there a way to go back and look at all the posts I have made on my account. Cause I listed in 1 post about 1 month ago exactly what type of antennae I have. I have since thrown out the box...

bhelms

Nov 3, 2006

I you haven't done so already, plug your information in at www.antennaweb.org to get a bunch of information on what you can expect to receive, from where, and what antenna type/size it will take. You can also discern the analog channels from the digitals (but no mention of ones b'casting in HD). Of course every situation is independent and hard to predict. Obstructions like buildings, hills, and trees are the hardest to manage.

From what you mentioned in your latest reply it sounds like the situation I described where you have strong local channels mixed with some distants. Not sure what channels they are on but 40 miles is near the limit for reliable UHF unless you're high or in very flat terrain with few obstructions. I'm betting your problem is indeed multipath. Try tweaking the direction you're pointed in a bit to see of that helps. If you have a sizeable obstruction off-center to the straight line to the station, that's a good source for multipath, but you might be able to use that to your advantage, i.e., the reflected signal might be stronger or more reliable than the direct one.

Put your own user name into the "Search Forums" box and hit enter. IIRC, that will return every thread in which you have appeared. Maybe you can remember it by its title?

Tower Guy

Nov 4, 2006

MartyMcFly said:
Just so it helps...my address is
53 N. Clinton Ave. Clintonville WI 54929.
And I am trying to get my Green Bay Local stations. Which are about 40-42 miles east of me.

Also is there a way to go back and look at all the posts I have made on my account. Cause I listed in 1 post about 1 month ago exactly what type of antennae I have. I have since thrown out the box...

To see all your posts, click on your name. A drop down box appears; click "see all posts by MartyMcFly".

You have a Radio Shack VU-90XR. There are no TV stations near you that would overload the preamp. The power supply for the preamp can be anywhere without changing the performance of the system. The preamp should be as close to the antenna as possible; 3' is fine.

You might be able to get the other Green Bay stations with a much larger antenna, or relocate the existing antenna to a higher mast.

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Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply 27 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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brittanygarden

Staff member Pub Member / Supporter

Last reply Today at 1:08 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Are you experiencing an issue with your 3rd party remote since the newest Hopper update?

Please post your remote make/model here and any details of your issue. We are looking to collect as many examples as possible. I may reach out to you for your receiver number, but please do not post it here.

If you've already reported this to me, please repost it here so I can track all instances in one thread.

Thanks!
Brittany

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bookworm370

Oct 12, 2026

I have a solution that is guaranteed to work.
All Hopper developers are required to turn in their RF Hopper remotes and use only IR remotes.

I guarantee you that the bug will be fixed in two days!
Try it; it will work! They will work 24 hours a day to fix it when the WAF goes into the toilet!

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GRB1959

Oct 12, 2026

bookworm370 said:
I have a solution that is guaranteed to work.
All Hopper developers are required to turn in their RF Hopper remotes and use only IR remotes.

I guarantee you that the bug will be fixed in two days!
Try it; it will work! They will work 24 hours a day to fix it when the WAF goes into the toilet!

Excellent suggestion.

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bookworm370

Oct 17, 2026

GRB1959 said:
Excellent suggestion.

Yea, I've only been a CIO for the last 30 years!

Trust me, when something important breaks, they get to own it!

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Astroman3427

Oct 17, 2026

Loaded H713 software on my Hopper 3 last week. Have not seen any change in the IR/RF remote issues with my Harmony 700.
Has Dish acknowledged this is a problem and are they committed to fixing it?
I'd be happy to roll back to last July.

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long_time_Dish

Oct 18, 2026

Astroman3427 said:
Loaded H713 software on my Hopper 3 last week. Have not seen any change in the IR/RF remote issues with my Harmony 700.
Has Dish acknowledged this is a problem and are they committed to fixing it?
I'd be happy to roll back to last July. <-----|

Absolutely!!!---------------------------------------------|

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reubenray

Oct 18, 2026

Astroman3427 said:
Loaded H713 software on my Hopper 3 last week. Have not seen any change in the IR/RF remote issues with my Harmony 700.
Has Dish acknowledged this is a problem and are they committed to fixing it?
I'd be happy to roll back to last July.

I got 713 a few days ago and nothing has changed concerning the IR/RF remote issues.

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long_time_Dish

Today at 1:08 AM

My Hopper 3 updated itself to H713 last week and the IR issue is worse now. On H711, I could be on an SD channel for several hours and the IR side of my H3 would still be responsive without my having to tap the View button on my Pronto Pro every 15 minutes. Now, if I stay even on an SD channel without tapping the View button at least once an hour, it becomes unresponsive to my Pronto Pro without tapping the View button at least 5-20 times, just like on the HD and 4K channels. So, H713 actually made the issue worse.

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osu1991

Pub Member / Supporter

Last reply Yesterday at 11:57 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

USA Healthcare Costs are Ridiculous

Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs

My health Insurance renewal for 2027 just came in. Going from $827 a month to $1,187 a month. Deductible going up a $1k to $9,350. Max out of pocket also going up $1k to $11,000. Doctor co-pay of $40. Urgent Care co-pay $50. ER 50% coinsurance after deductible. That's all in network. Out of network is double, should it be needed.

Have to think about this. I'm really tempted to just go without now. I only go to the doctor once or twice a year. I pay out of pocket for Tirzepitide and can do without the Rosuvastatin (crestor) now. Really tired of spending over $10k a year and getting nothing out of it.

After years with Blue Cross I switched last year to Ambetter as my Blue Cross premium was going from $1200 to $1800 for a Silver plan and the Bronze plan was still going to be $1300 at BCBS. Ambetter was $827 for the same coverage with a Bronze plan. Didn't think it would jump this much so soon.

I'm guessing a Silver plan is probably over $2,000 a month for 2027.

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osu1991

Yesterday at 7:39 PM

Such a scam. Healthcare.gov shows me cheaper individual plans available for 2027 from ambetter that ambetter doesn't show on their website. Looked it up. I've spent $68,000 in premiums the last 5 years and got nothing out of it except a few doctors visits and labs.

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 8:15 PM

osu1991 said:
I've spent $68,000 in premiums the last 5 years

That's why I cancelled ours and just started saving the money. We're about to do the same thing with our home insurance.....not cancel it outright but do away with the portion which covers wind damage. We're paying over $5k right now and that is AFTER I dumbed things down...and it keeps going up. Got a couple trees I want to have taken down first before I do that however. After we do that, it will knock about $3k off our annual premium.

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WhiteBeard

Yesterday at 9:18 PM

dishstaller said:
That's why I cancelled ours and just started saving the money. We're about to do the same thing with our home insurance.....not cancel it outright but do away with the portion which covers wind damage. We're paying over $5k right now and that is AFTER I dumbed things down...and it keeps going up. Got a couple trees I want to have taken down first before I do that however. After we do that, it will knock about $3k off our annual premium.

Our home and auto insurance has been stable so I'll continue with it but I'm going to have see what I can do about medical insurance. The biggest impact would be an ER visit.

b4pjoe

Yesterday at 10:12 PM

My wife and I use the same Medicare Advantage plan from United Healthcare. (Yes I have heard the horror stories about Medicare Advantage plans but we have used it for the last 5 years). We are both pretty healthy so it works for us. It costs $0.00 per month for both of us and it pays part of our Medicare part B premium. Next year it will be paying $170 per month of the $220 monthly part B premium for both of us. We also each get $90 per quarter to use on OTC products. $0.00 copay for Dr. visits and $55 copay for specialists. Includes dental and hearing coverage. Never have had an issue with it although I don't really use mine other than for the dental, Part B payments and the OTC benefit as I am a veteran and use the VA for all of my medical needs. I just had a kidney that had a cancer mass removed last month and they allowed me to use a non VA surgeon at a non VA hospital through the VA Community Care program. For all of the doctors visits, exams, tests, surgery, hospital stay, meds etc…was around $60,000 and the the VA paid for it entirely. I did have to pay $16 for the Oxycodone pain pills when I left the hospital that I got from my local CVS instead of waiting for a week for the VA to ship them to me from the VA pharmacy.

meStevo

Yesterday at 10:51 PM

They're pushing our high deductible plan pretty hard at work, including a couple thousand to seed a HSA. Covering my wife and 4 kids though that feels like a mistake and I'd rather the peace of mind and the potential higher cost via the PPO plan payroll deductions.

dishstaller

Yesterday at 11:46 PM

b4pjoe said:
$0.00 copay for Dr. visits

And THAT is one of the big issues causing a lot of the problems. If the minimum copay for Dr. visits was at least $100 then a LOT of folks would opt out of those visits. If it cost the individual nothing then why should they care. All of my older family members are constantly going to doctor visits.....to them it is an adventure.....an outing that allows them a reason to go out to eat at a restaurant. IF they had to pay one cent out of their own pockets a lot of that crap would stop asap.

Sorry...rant off.

meStevo

Yesterday at 11:57 PM

dishstaller said:
And THAT is one of the big issues causing a lot of the problems. If the minimum copay for Dr. visits was at least $100 then a LOT of folks would opt out of those visits. If it cost the individual nothing then why should they care. All of my older family members are constantly going to doctor visits.....to them it is an adventure.....an outing that allows them a reason to go out to eat at a restaurant. IF they had to pay one cent out of their own pockets a lot of that crap would stop asap.

Sorry...rant off.

You're not wrong that some people treat free visits like a social outing. But it has to be a balance. Put a $100 barrier on a doctor visit and people don't just skip the pointless ones, they skip the important ones too. Then the stuff that would've been a cheap catch at a checkup shows up later in the ER, sicker and way more expensive. The shift we need is from sick care to actual healthcare.

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MorCowbell

Last reply Yesterday at 9:59 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Saved OTA list on Dish can't be appended

I have Dish with Hopper3. I choose to get local channels OTA and had a "guide list" established at my previous home. Having moved a few miles away, I wanted to update the list by appending a couple new stations via a rescan. As many would know, some stations come in with the UHF/VHF antenna aimed in one direction, while others come in better with a different direction.

Unfortunately, when a scan is done (bringing in 25-30 stations for that particular antenna aim), the dialog screen does not present the established guide list; it presents an empty field to the right that the scanned stations may be selected one by one and added to the empty guide. But because of antenna aim, some stations originally saved are missing, and would have to be retrieved with a different antenna aim. But as I explain, if a 2nd scan is done with a different antenna aim, the stations saved from the first scan are lost.

It troubles me that Dish didn't develop software that would allow a user to simply append only 1 or 2 channels to the established list.

Any thought on this? Has anyone experienced this or heard of this from others?

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 9:59 PM

I hear complaints from customers each and every day. I chose not to install OTAs with a doggle for a reason.

BTW, I like your user name

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reubenray

Last reply Yesterday at 9:56 PM · posted in Computers and Gadgets

New Laptop?

After having continuing trouble with my eight+ year old Dell Inspiron laptop I am looking to hopefully catch a good deal on new one. My options to buy is Costco and Sam's Club. It seems like a lot of new laptops are 2 in 1 which I do not need. I use the laptop to mainly surf the web and keep up with my finances, money and bills. I would like to have at least a 15" screen and having a touchscreen is a plus. The keyboard would need to lighted also. I don't game any. It would have to be Windows instead of and not Mac. The brands I see the most are Asus, Dell and HP. My two last laptops has been Dell's. Of these brands are there any standouts over the other brands. My budget (hopefully) is $600+-. Also while researching I noticed that do not have ethernet ports.

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EarDemon

Yesterday at 10:46 AM

Why not do a CTO directly through the manufacture? Get exactly what you want. Plus It's quite common to find 10%% (or higher) discount codes for Dell and HP.

Backlit keyboards are pretty much standard, and in the constant effort to try to make devices and thin and dainty as possible ethernet ports are becoming rarer, if not a normal ethernet port, you may be able to find a laptop with drop-jaw style one.

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TRG

Yesterday at 10:53 AM

Dell and HP are usually heavily discounted during Black Friday sales. I picked up a Dell from Best Buy for 50 percent off. I ordered it online and picked it up locally at the store. Black Friday deals are just a couple of weeks away.

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TRG

Yesterday at 10:59 AM

This meets your 15" touchscreen requirement and budget when marked down.

https://www.bestbuy.com/product/dell-15-6-2k-touchscreen-laptop-intel-13th-generation-core-i7-1355u-2023-16gb-memory-512-gb-storage-carbon-black/J3K4L6QW5C

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arlo

Yesterday at 12:16 PM

Can't really help with an exact set of suggestions. I can say that if you have a set budget. And $600 these days wont get you much. One thing I can say is check out Dell Refurbished.
I've suggested and even configured, ordered a few for friends who were a bit iffy in deciding what they needed and wanted.
Refurbished doesn't mean that they came back defective and were repaired. Companies and organizations who order quantities of the same computers often cancel or modify their requirements.
Dell builds usually on demand. Their direct refurbished line will be brand new, unused. Perhaps not exactly the "today" specifications of the latest-greatest. And you can get a nice pc for quite a bit less with full warranty.
Just a suggestion.
"I use the laptop to mainly surf the web and keep up with my finances, money and bills. I would like to have at least a 15" screen and having a touchscreen is a plus".

As far as Asus, HP goes. And others you may consider. I'd think $600 (new) would get you a laptop. A quality, long lasting one? Not so sure. Now. If you could get a $1000 lappy for $600. Good deal, don't you think?
Surf the web doesn't need a killer Nvidia graphics chip. Nor a pinnacle, top of the line Intel, AMD processor.
12-16 gigs of memory will get you by just fine.
I'm personally an Asus fan. Brands aside. The one thing is the batteries. We discussed that here someplace else.
I repair these critters. Batteries. Cheap laptops have cheap batteries. Asus suggests that you don't keep the charger plugged in all of the time to make them last. Like you see on phones where 85% vs full charge is suggested to preserve battery life.

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harshness

Yesterday at 2:16 PM

EarDemon said:
Why not do a CTO directly through the manufacture?

Because there are fewer economies of scale with custom products. Savings come from giant contracts with major retailers.

RAM and GPUs make buying a computer now financial suicide. In 2023, I bought two 16GB RAM modules for my lone Windows machine. The cost was under $100. Now that equivalent RAM goes for $260.

One can opt for an on-CPU GPU, but you can't opt out of RAM. While Microsoft goes on and on about Windows 11 eventually being happy with 8GB of RAM, we know how that always ends.

Foxbat

Yesterday at 9:56 PM

GB is the new MB (remember when Windows used to be happy with 8 MB of RAM?)

I had great experiences with Dell's Refurbished systems in the past. I ended up getting Business desktops instead of the Home PCs since they didn't come loaded with bloatware and the one Desktop I got for Mrs. Foxbat even had a license for MS Office Professional included.

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dishstaller

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Yesterday at 9:39 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Don't mess with Mama's baby....

Dang female lions don't mess around when it comes to their kiddos....aka whelps.

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TheForce

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Last reply Yesterday at 9:25 PM · posted in The Phone & Tablet Zone

Apple Event September 2026

Apple Fall Hardware Event takes place today, September 9, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. PT / 1:00 p.m. ET. It marks the debut of new CEO John Ternus and the expected reveal of Apple's first foldable phone.

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harshness

Tuesday at 10:17 AM

Gone are the days when Apple "perfects" what debuted years earlier on an Android phone.

comfortably_numb

Tuesday at 11:49 AM

harshness said:
Gone are the days when Apple "perfects" what debuted years earlier on an Android phone.

Or better yet, innovate something "completely revolutionary!"

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Wednesday at 5:39 PM

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slow_poke_pete

Thursday at 8:27 PM

comfortably_numb said:
Or better yet, innovate something "completely revolutionary!"

when was the last time they innovated something

Foxbat

Thursday at 9:14 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
when was the last time they innovated something

I'd probably say when they came up with their M-series of processors with integrated memory. That allowed Apple to get away from the inefficient Intel CPUs that were limiting their notebook computers.

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Yesterday at 9:25 PM

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Ramy

Supporting Founder

Last reply Yesterday at 9:24 PM · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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osu1991

Saturday at 11:05 PM

..I hate playing in Ames.

Jimbo

Saturday at 11:33 PM

osu1991 said:
..I hate playing in Ames.

I hate playing in LA ... :oldmad

Buckeyes had 2 weeks off and came out and looked absolutely terrible ... broke in a new Freshman Qb, but that wasn't the worst part ... undiscipline play, at last count they had 10 penalties.
Freshman in the end of the game trying to play catch up, had a lot of Over throws ... Bucks lose ...

#1 Miami struggled but pulled away in the end beating North Carolina by 3 ...

Tuesday the CFP brings out thier Playoff Top 12 again ... Buckeyes should drop from #2 to about #22 (they won't) had they had thier Starting QB, it would have been a different game ...

They could lose the rest of thier games at this point.

Foxbat

Yesterday at 7:38 PM

osu1991 said:
..I hate playing in Ames.

My in-Laws came from Iowa, she was a graduate of ISU. Unranked Iowa teams beat the #24 and #25 teams on Halloween.

And I heard that your QB made a poor choice after scoring the tying touchdown, leading to a fifteen yard penalty on the ensuing kickoff. The Cyclones were then able to take advantage of the resulting field position to get close enough to score the winning field goal.

In a NCAA Football season of bizarre endings, this has to rank right up there.

osu1991

Yesterday at 7:47 PM

Foxbat said:
My in-Laws came from Iowa, she was a graduate of ISU. Unranked Iowa teams beat the #24 and #25 teams on Halloween.

And I heard that your QB made a poor choice after scoring the tying touchdown, leading to a fifteen yard penalty on the ensuing kickoff. The Cyclones were then able to take advantage of the resulting field position to get close enough to score the winning field goal.

In a NCAA Football season of bizarre endings, this has to rank right up there.

Yep, but wasn't the QB. Was WR. Offense had a great game but defense didn't show up at all. I don't think they were even in the State.

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Ray_Clum

Last reply Yesterday at 8:13 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Wireless Joey4 (Android TV)

I had an old Wireless Joey replaced by a Wireless Joey 4 (Android TV) - still have a Hopper 3 without the Hopper Plus. What do I have to do to get the EPG to show channel logos instead of "Dish"? This is annoying as hell and it's been this way for over a month…

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bnewt

Yesterday at 8:13 PM

That kind of crap annoys me to no end.
That is one reason I haven't switched to h3and the same wireless joey 4
Hope you get it resolved.

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ewindowman

Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Yesterday at 7:07 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Bankruptcy - Business as Usual

Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th

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ewindowman

Jun 30, 2026

Correct me if I'm wrong but Dish borrowed lots of money to start a wireless company that was most likely doomed from the beginning. They bought spectrum at any cost to acquire enough bandwidth to achieve their goal. They signed leases and bought equipment and borrowed more money. They held onto the spectrum as long as possible. They then sold most of it to different companies and made a lot of money. Then they started to screw the companies that were installing and leasing the equipment and cell towers. Now they are going to claim bankruptcy under the Dish Network part of Echo Star while they have billions of dollars. So Dish basically took everyone's money that was involved in the financial part of this transaction made a huge profit is screwing everyone over from the banks to the little guy working on the towers and infrastructure.

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nelson61

Saturday at 1:01 PM

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They note that the Dish Wireless radios at issue support the 2GHz and 800MHz spectrum SpaceX is acquiring from EchoStar and Grain.

"Buying compatible equipment already installed on towers could give SpaceX a head start on its wireless terrestrial network build and throw a big bucket of cold water on Verizon's four-to-six-year timeline and $300-$500 billion estimate for SpaceX's buildout," said the analysts."

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slow_poke_pete

Saturday at 11:40 PM

ewindowman said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but Dish borrowed lots of money to start a wireless company that was most likely doomed from the beginning. They bought spectrum at any cost to acquire enough bandwidth to achieve their goal. They signed leases and bought equipment and borrowed more money. They held onto the spectrum as long as possible. They then sold most of it to different companies and made a lot of money. Then they started to screw the companies that were installing and leasing the equipment and cell towers. Now they are going to claim bankruptcy under the Dish Network part of Echo Star while they have billions of dollars. So Dish basically took everyone's money that was involved in the financial part of this transaction made a huge profit is screwing everyone over from the banks to the little guy working on the towers and infrastructure.

i heard charlie went to dubai begging for money. but he didn't get none... that should have raised red flags.

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reubenray

Yesterday at 5:36 AM

nelson61 said:
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They note that the Dish Wireless radios at issue support the 2GHz and 800MHz spectrum SpaceX is acquiring from EchoStar and Grain.

"Buying compatible equipment already installed on towers could give SpaceX a head start on its wireless terrestrial network build and throw a big bucket of cold water on Verizon's four-to-six-year timeline and $300-$500 billion estimate for SpaceX's buildout," said the analysts."

Back when Dish was installing antennas everywhere for their internet service I mapped several of the tower locations around me. One is less than a mile away from me and several more about three miles away in several different directions. If SpaceX does something with these I may be in a prime spot.

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 6:57 PM

Amazon to acquire Globalstar and expand Amazon Leo satellite network

Globalstar satellites, radio frequency spectrum, and operational expertise will enable Amazon Leo to add Direct-to-Device (D2D) services to future generations of its low Earth orbit satellite network.

www.aboutamazon.com

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 7:07 PM

SpaceX reportedly seeks 80,000 cell sites to become a wireless carrier | Fox News

SpaceX is reportedly pursuing 80,000 cell sites to turn Starlink into a wireless carrier that could compete with Verizon, AT&T and T-Mobile for cell coverage.

www.foxnews.com

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