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Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
THIS IS AN URGENT MESSAGE TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE SATELLITEGUYS COMMUNITY.

The time is NOW to contact congress in regards to Distant Network situation. We must stand together as a community to protect our legal members who are getting distant network services.

If you have called before PLEASE CALL AGAIN! We only have 2 days to get our voices heard!!!!

Here are the key people to contact

SENATE:

Harry Reid (D-NV), Minority Leader 202-224-3542
Arlen Specter (R-PA), Chair - Judiciary 202-224-4254
Patrick Leahy (D-VT), Rnk. Mem. - Judiciary 202-224-4242
Ted Stevens (R-AK), Chair - Commerce 202-224-3004
Daniel Inouye (D-HI), Rnk. Mem. - Commerce 202-224-3934
Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Judiciary 202-224-5251
Bill Frist (R-TN), Majority Leader 202-224-3344
Mitch McConnell (R-KY), Majority Whip 202-224-2541
Richard Durbin (D-IL), Minority Whip 202-224-2152
Thad Cochran (R-MS), Chair - Approps 202-224-5054
Robert Byrd (D-WV), Rnk. Mem. - Approps 202-224-3954

HOUSE:
Dennis Hastert (R-14th IL), Speaker 202.225.2976
John Boehner (R-8th OH), Majority Leader 202.225.6205
Nancy Pelosi (D-8th CA), Minority Leader 202.225.4965
James Sensenbrenner (R-5th WI), Chair - Judiciary 202.225.5101

PLEASE HELP CALL NOW!!
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waltinvt
You people need to understand something. Distants (as we know them) are gone. Congress is not about to stop that from happening. If they were, we'd have seen some indication before this.

That said, that doesn't mean you shouldn't call. But maybe the focus needs to change a little to something that Congress IS going to be held accountable to - the digital transition. Remember, the election is over. They could care less about your vote for 4 years (well half of them in 2 years). The digital deadline however will be a big factor in the '08 elections, so if they can do something ahead of time to "ease" things a little, it would be in their interest to do so.

Maybe if the emphasis is put less on stopping an injunction that has already run out of options, they could (should) be persuaded to fine-tune (amend) SHVERA in such a way that retran rights for digital channels come under a separate license or at least different enough that it can somehow work around the injunction that will effect SD distants.
R
Congress Did Not Help!!!!!!!

House Not Home for EchoStar

By Ted Hearn, STAFF
(Multichannel News) _ The House adjourned Wednesday until Dec. 5, ensuring that Congress won't disturb the court injunction http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6389696.html that requires EchoStar Communications to cut off distant network signals to 850,000 customers.

A federal court ordered EchoStar to stop selling distant feeds of ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox programming after determining that EchoStar had broken copyright law by selling the channels to hundreds of thousands of legally ineligible subscribers.

The Senate is expected to adjourn Thursday or Friday and not resume the lame-duck session until Dec. 5.



Congress could come to EchoStar's rescue if enough disconnected subscribers put heat on their lawmakers. Distant network programming is popular because it provides rural viewers with access to network affiliates in New York and Los Angeles. Benefits include out-of-market sporting events and time-shifted primetime and late-night network fare.

It's not clear whether EchoStar customers will rebel and create a fuss on Capitol Hill. Since EchoStar provides local TV stations in 170 markets, many of those cut off from distant network signals would be losing a convenience, not a necessity.

In a letter to House colleagues Wednesday, Rep. Chris Cannon (R-Utah) said EchoStar shouldn't be rewarded for its "blatant disregard" of copyright law and shouldn't be allowed "to use its customers as human shields in the debate on the legality of its operations."

On Thursday, Sens. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) and Wayne Allard (R-Colo.) are planning to introduce a bill that would assist EchoStar in the dispute, Leahy spokesman David Carle said Wednesday. In January, Leahy becomes chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Copyright The Associated Press 2006. All Rights Reserved


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K
That said, that doesn't mean you shouldn't call. But maybe the focus needs to change a little to something that Congress IS going to be held accountable to - the digital transition. Remember, the election is over. They could care less about your vote for 4 years (well half of them in 2 years). The digital deadline however will be a big factor in the '08 elections, so if they can do something ahead of time to "ease" things a little, it would be in their interest to do so.

I'm not so sure, people are unaware of most things and probably won't be ready to complain until 2010 after analog is shut off. By then most sets will have had digital tuners built in for 3 years and it will be about a year after the shutoff has already happened. So it might be an issue but I don't think it will be a big deal.
T
Congress will do something -- eventually. I predict we will get the following - a reinstatement of the 119 license to E* conditioned upon certain progress in LIL and strict auditing to ensure that only bona fide truckers/RV and the very, very tiny number of people in white areas get service. This will be true even after 100% LIL because there are some really rare situations that LIL might not reach a subscriber but DNS can. It will also involve some requirement regarding the digital transition. It will not do anything for the "I prefer DNS" and I think that any attempt to include "convenience" subscribers is likely to sour the mood. Unfortunately this type of subscriber tends to be the most active and vocal (and appear on SatGuys). Congress has Charlie by the nads and I expect him to be proactive in offering the above once the dust settles. I think he has discovered that he is not omnipotent in DBS and will change tack to achieve his goals. If anybody has a significant disagreement I'd like to hear your thoughts on what will transpire.



You people need to understand something. Distants (as we know them) are gone. Congress is not about to stop that from happening. If they were, we'd have seen some indication before this.

That said, that doesn't mean you shouldn't call. But maybe the focus needs to change a little to something that Congress IS going to be held accountable to - the digital transition. Remember, the election is over. They could care less about your vote for 4 years (well half of them in 2 years). The digital deadline however will be a big factor in the '08 elections, so if they can do something ahead of time to "ease" things a little, it would be in their interest to do so.

Maybe if the emphasis is put less on stopping an injunction that has already run out of options, they could (should) be persuaded to fine-tune (amend) SHVERA in such a way that retran rights for digital channels come under a separate license or at least different enough that it can somehow work around the injunction that will effect SD distants.
C
House Not Home for EchoStar

By Ted Hearn, STAFF
(Multichannel News) _ The House adjourned Wednesday until Dec. 5, ensuring that Congress won't disturb the court injunction http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6389696.html that requires EchoStar Communications to cut off distant network signals to 850,000 customers.

A federal court ordered EchoStar to stop selling distant feeds of ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox programming after determining that EchoStar had broken copyright law by selling the channels to hundreds of thousands of legally ineligible subscribers.

The Senate is expected to adjourn Thursday or Friday and not resume the lame-duck session until Dec. 5.



Congress could come to EchoStar's rescue if enough disconnected subscribers put heat on their lawmakers. Distant network programming is popular because it provides rural viewers with access to network affiliates in New York and Los Angeles. Benefits include out-of-market sporting events and time-shifted primetime and late-night network fare.

It's not clear whether EchoStar customers will rebel and create a fuss on Capitol Hill. Since EchoStar provides local TV stations in 170 markets, many of those cut off from distant network signals would be losing a convenience, not a necessity.

In a letter to House colleagues Wednesday, Rep. Chris Cannon (R-Utah) said EchoStar shouldn't be rewarded for its "blatant disregard" of copyright law and shouldn't be allowed "to use its customers as human shields in the debate on the legality of its operations."

On Thursday, Sens. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) and Wayne Allard (R-Colo.) are planning to introduce a bill that would assist EchoStar in the dispute, Leahy spokesman David Carle said Wednesday. In January, Leahy becomes chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Copyright The Associated Press 2006. All Rights Reserved


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I'm sorry, but if they've adjourned, how are they supposedly introducing bills today? And give credit to Leahy and Allard, good people. Allard has been vocal on this issue for months.
G
The article states the House of Representatives adjourned. The Senate has not, and that is the bill they may pass today.
technoguy
The article states the House of Representatives adjourned. The Senate has not, and that is the bill they may pass today.

Greg...Are you talking about this?
EchoStar Networks May Be Saved By Senate

Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) is leading a bipartisan effort to protect home satellite television customers in Vermont and across the country from losing access to some of the most popular television networks.



Leahy, the ranking Democratic member of the Judiciary Committee – and the panel's incoming chairman for the 110th Congress – Thursday introduced the Satellite Consumer Protection Act, joined by Senators Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii), Olympia Snowe (R-Maine), Wayne Allard (R-Colo.), Jay Rockefeller (D-W.V.), Robert Byrd (D-W.V.), Ken Salazar (D-Colo.), Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) Pat Roberts (R-Kan.), Mark Pryor (D-Minn.) and Michael Enzi (R- Nev.).


Leahy over the last decade has co-authored two laws that have expanded home satellite service to millions of viewers in Vermont and nationwide. One of the earlier Leahy initiatives has fostered local-into-local satellite service, enabling Vermonters and others to receive local channels in their home satellite program packages.



Leahy's new bill would preserve satellite television service for roughly 800,000 EchoStar consumers around the country, and in Vermont, who are expected to lose it December 1 as a result of a federal court injunction. EchoStar is expected to suspend service to these consumers following a ruling that it violated federal law by providing distant signals to areas that did not need satellite to receive that programming.



The bill strikes a balance between consumer protection and tough enforcement against EchoStar for violating the law. The legislation requires EchoStar to deposit $20 million to be used to cover any future violations.



"This is a reasonable solution that penalizes Echostar for violating the law, while protecting the people who are the real victims of this serious problem: the consumers who are paying for these services," said Leahy.



The bipartisan bill provides a targeted solution by permitting the service to continue under specific criteria, including:

Where local stations are not available from a satellite provider, EchoStar could bring in a distant network station if it compensates the local station.
In areas that do not have affiliates of all four networks (ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC), EchoStar could bring in a distant signal of the missing network affiliate because no local station would be harmed.
Stations from neighboring that are considered "significantly viewed" by the Federal Communications Commission, and generally treated as local stations, could be carried, such as the Albany, N.Y., stations which serve Vermont's Bennington County and the Boston-area stations, which serve Windham County.
Here is the statement of Senator Patrick Leahy on introduction of the Satellite Consumer Protection Act:


Today I am pleased to introduce the Satellite Consumer Protection Act of 2006, and I am proud that Senators Inouye, Snowe, Allard, Rockefeller, Byrd, Salazar, Clinton, Pryor, Roberts and Enzi are among those joining me in sponsoring this important bill. I regret the necessity of this legislation, but I am determined to protect consumers – especially consumers in rural areas such as Vermont.



This is a pro-consumer, bipartisan bill that addresses a problem that soon will face millions of Americans who subscribe to satellite TV services. I realize full well that this bill may not please the major corporations affected by this remedy, but its intent is not to help them, but to help home satellite viewers.


A federal court recently found that EchoStar willfully, flagrantly and repeatedly violated federal law, and I believe that EchoStar should be held to account for its decade of illegal activity. The situation is ultimately quite complicated, but the simplest version is this: EchoStar has been bringing distant network signals to areas that did not need satellite to provide access to that programming. But the penalty for such actions is harsh, and the court that heard the lawsuit had no choice: EchoStar will be required to stop retransmitting any distant signals. EchoStar flouted the law, but it is consumers who will suffer. Unless we pass this bill, many rural subscribers around the country will lose access to news and entertainment programming from the free, over-the-air broadcast networks.



The Satellite Consumer Protection Act is a practical, narrow, and -- most importantly -- pro-consumer solution to a problem of EchoStar's creation. The court-issued injunction, set to take effect December 1, will prohibit EchoStar from providing any distant network stations to any of its customers. Under the Satellite Consumer Protection Act, the injunction will apply to the roughly 95 percent of the country where EchoStar provides residents their local, over-the-air stations. Our legislation would only permit EchoStar to bring in distant network stations in three situations.


First, where local stations are not available from a satellite provider, EchoStar could bring in a distant network station if it compensates the local station. Second, in areas that do not have affiliates of all four networks, EchoStar could bring in a distant signal of the missing network affiliate because no local station would be harmed. Third, stations from neighboring localities that are considered "significantly viewed" by the Federal Communications Commission, and are generally treated as local stations, could be carried.



This legislation would not be complete without an enforcement provision that will truly curb EchoStar's practice of illegally providing copyrighted content. The Satellite Consumer Protection Act therefore imposes real monetary penalties for violating the Act and requires EchoStar to put sufficient funds in escrow with the copyright office to cover any future violations.



This bipartisan bill respects the legitimate interests of broadcasters who have been harmed by EchoStar's actions, while it serves the interests of the people who are the innocent bystanders and the real victims of this emerging problem: the consumers who are paying for these services.
Never mind, Scott already brought the news
dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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R
$3.45 in Jane, MO.
Bobby
Regular$5.299​
Premium$5.859​
Diesel$7.599​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
harshness
Finally! Some big movement in California diesel pricing (and no, there is no such beastie as a diesel "winter formula").

Crude (combined pricing) is around $90/barrel now, so prices should have, at least, fallen in step with the crude futures.
dishstaller
Finally! Some big movement in California diesel pricing (and no, there is no such beastie as a diesel "winter formula").
Just curious here.....then why is diesel so much higher out there than it is elsewhere. Bobby just posted $7.59/gal, locally it is $5.59.....that's two bucks difference. :eeek
harshness
Just curious here.....then why is diesel so much higher out there than it is elsewhere.
California has a ~93¢ per gallon consumer tax rate on automotive diesel, along with significantly higher refinement standards.

The fact that consumers can only buy some new full-sized truck models and a couple of vans with diesel power makes the fuel an odd duck in refinery priorities.
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Find A Way To My Heart - Phil Collins
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FIND Your Way Back-Jefferson Starship
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ClarkGable
Working My Way Back To You - The Four Seasons
dishstaller
Don't Look Back - Boston
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Please Come to Boston - Dave Loggins
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The Charter/Spectrum tv app has been updated to make it downloaded with more tv brands. I recently added it to my LG Oled tv.
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Bobby
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
This thread is a place to discuss the 4K events that appear on channel 540. We are getting, at this point, one college football game a week. Let's hope there is more coming.
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long_time_Dish
No NASCAR in 4K on Sunday? Bummer...
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Jim5506
No NASCAR in 4K on Sunday? Bummer...
It's on Prime.
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long_time_Dish
It's on Prime.
Ah, ok, thanks!
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Foxbat
The World Series Game 1 quality was excellent, the Dolby Surround put us in the seats. Thanks, Dish!
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S
Not seeing many 4k games on the 148 channels lately?

Also I do not see the 4KFox channel on 148-01; I also do not subscribed to our Local Houston channels.

Maybe I need to subscribe to locals or add the National Action Pack? Not sure the extra cost is worth it??

thx for any info or suggestions

S
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jsmit86
Not seeing many 4k games on the 148 channels lately?

Also I do not see the 4KFox channel on 148-01; I also do not subscribed to our Local Houston channels.

Maybe I need to subscribe to locals or add the National Action Pack? Not sure the extra cost is worth it??

thx for any info or suggestions

S
Most of the 4K action on the 148-xx channels will be on Saturday for College Football. For whatever reason, the guide does not show the games until later in the week. The Fox Big Noon game will show up, and there will usually be a couple of other games, some on Fox, and some on ESPN.

I don't know if you need to be subscribed to locals to get them.
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ewindowman
Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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comfortably_numb

Too bad their service is expensive and their coverage sucks compared to the other two of the Big 3
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Juan
Too bad their service is expensive and their coverage sucks compared to the other two of the Big 3
Was that a back door compliment for Verizon?
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dishstaller
Meanwhile att is getting rid of overseas call centers

Too little too late.

I can actually shed some light on the corp attitude towards call centers.

2015-2017 I was on the Viasat Dealer Council. They would fly us out to CO or CA and wine and dine us. Pretty cool but I was there to give my input because I was a top retailer and I wanted things to improve.
Anyway, at one of the meetings I brought up the fact that customers constantly complained about the overseas call centers. The VP of the company told me that I just didn't understand....those people cost something like 25% of what US employees would cost. Well, as usual when I went out to these meetings, I was loaded for bear....ie facts. I gave them an example of a customer who spent over an hour with one of these call centers and still never got her issue resolved. She called me the next morning after we opened and I had her situation fixed in 2 minutes. I told him "So you guys paid this overseas call center X amount but the customer still wasn't taken care of. I on the other hand, and a US call center probably would have as well because there wouldn't have been the language barrier, had her taken care of in 2 min. so your savings just went right out the door because a US call center would have taken care of her and MANY other customers while your overseas call center did nothing more than PISS off a customer.
Blank stares was all I got.

And THAT was when I realized just how incompetent most of the people are who run these companies. It WAS an enlightening experience.
Almighty1
Even 23 years ago, Verizon was known for having quality customer service. T-Mobile had quality customer service too but just poor mobile service. AT&T when it was still known as AT&T Wireless, Cingular Wireless both had poor customer service. This was when all three were providing customer service from the U.S. so even in the U.S., some companies are still better than others as it still depends on who they hire. That's the same reason AT&T Broadband Inc. which was basically their Cable TV never gotten far and got sold to Comcast.
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comfortably_numb
And THAT was when I realized just how incompetent most of the people are who run these companies

I wouldn't call it incompetence necessarily, it's just that the customer is only a device now, the old idea that you need to spend money to make money has been forgotten. They're not looking at the long game. They're looking at immediate exposure and shareholder value. Spending a lot of money on local call centers might be a good long term investment, but it doesn't do anything for them in the short term. That's what the blank stares were about, they thought YOU didn't get it.
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comfortably_numb
Was that a back door compliment for Verizon?

And TMO. If anybody's lagging behind the most, it's ATT.
dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
· posted in The Chit Chat Club
Now after reading this story I walked away thinking that this is being blown out of proportion because of the incredibly low numbers of those affected.....BUT....I've read posts by some of you who are taking this drug so I figured it was worth posting.

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KAB
KAB
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
· posted in Movie Talk
Not a bit surprised.

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