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http://www.tvpredictions.com/echodistant111706.htm

Two senators sponsor a bill to prevent the shut-off, but little time is left in the session.
By Phillip Swann

Washington, D.C. (November 17, 2006) -- Two U.S. senators have introduced legislation to prevent EchoStar's Dish Network from being forced to turn off 'distant' High-Definition TV signals to its subscribers.

A federal judge ruled last month that EchoStar must stop sending distant network signals to 800,000 subscribers. The ruling, which becomes effective on December 1, covers high-def signals as well as standard definition feeds. Signals from CBS, ABC, Fox and NBC are affected.

Sens. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) and Wayne Allard (R-CO) offered a bill yesterday to "ensure that certain eligible EchoStar DISH Network customers that are able to receive distant network signals under current law will continue to receive them."

The senators asked Congress to act immediately on the bill, but that appears unlikely. Lawmakers are scheduled to begin a Thanksgiving recess today and will not return until December 5. In addition, the current congressional session is scheduled to expire at year's end.

Realizing that federal relief may be delayed, EchoStar announced a few weeks ago that it had begun turning some distant signals off. The satcaster asked Congress for help.

At issue is EchoStar's practice of providing "distant" network signals to subscribers who say they can't get their local networks by other means, such as an off-air antenna. The satellite service offers feeds from network affiliates in New York and Los Angeles to those customers.

However, local stations have objected, saying their ratings are hurt when viewers watch the "distant" signals instead of theirs. EchoStar earlier this year agreed to a $100 million settlement with affiliates of NBC, ABC and CBS, but Fox rejected the deal.

Ergen told the web site that subscribers in Pennsylvania, Vermont, Arkansas, Hawaii, Kentucky, Tennessee, Oregon, Montana and Utah "will be most affected by this shutoff."

The Leahy-Allard bill would block the court's action and possibly re-open negotiations between EchoStar and Fox.

"Without distant signals, many satellite subscribers around the country will not be able to watch a network affiliate, which is a primary source of news, sports and entertainment for many," said Allard who represents the Colorado-based EchoStar.

However, the National Association of Broadcasters, who has opposed EchoStar, called the Leahy-Allard bill "a bailout by Congress of a habitual copyright infringer that has skimmed millions of dollars infringing copyrights and violating the law on a nationwide basis for eight years or more."

The NAB said EchoStar customers who lose the distant signals can still watch network programming via an off-air antenna or another TV provider, such as cable or DIRECTV.
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rayburn45 said:
The Leahy-Allard bill would block the court's action and possibly re-open negotiations between EchoStar and Fox.

That's the key, Fox was the lone holdout, with this bill the Senate is telling Fox, either negotiate or we'll open up your channels for you.

I bet that Fox caves in a few weeks.
Fox caves to what? There won't be any negotiations at all.

The only thing going on here is trying to start a new copyright license from Congress. There is no need for negotiation.

And, in case you've missed this emergency bill, the only people that would receive distant network service would be those in areas without local service and outside of Grade B range of the network affiliates. Since Dish Network covers 95 percent of the households in the US, distant network service will only be truly available to 5 percent of the households, and they still have to qualify correctly.
T
Since Dish Network covers 95 percent of the households in the US, distant network service will only be truly available to 5 percent of the households, and they still have to qualify correctly.

What makes you think that E* will obey this new regulation? They didn't follow the old law.
G
I'll reserve judgment until I see the new law. Then again, I could simply say since Dish Network didn't follow the old law, you're right; they'll break this one in five seconds. :)
Juan
What makes you think that E* will obey this new regulation? They didn't follow the old law.
I think thats why they arerequiered to post the 20 million "bond"
T
What happened to the "special" contract that CBS supposedly had with E*? Will the doubters now admit that this service is going away or will it take another Charlie announcement to convince them?
waltinvt
What happened to the "special" contract that CBS supposedly had with E*? Will the doubters now admit that this service is going away or will it take another Charlie announcement to convince them?
I'm not sure I am or was a "doubter" but rather maybe a "not knower".

Anyway, although I haven't checked the thread today, it didn't look like anyone that has lost their distants so far, has also lost the CBS-HD feed (if they had it to begin with).

That may change but it doesn't make sense that Dish would pull just the analog dns and leave the CBS-HD if it was governed by the same injunction.
boba
It takes both houses of Congress to pass a bill(law) and the House of Rep. is in recess until the begining of December. Don't get excited nothing has changed Dec.1,2006 is still the turn off date.
dfergie
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Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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$3.45 in Jane, MO.
Bobby
Regular$5.299​
Premium$5.859​
Diesel$7.599​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
harshness
Finally! Some big movement in California diesel pricing (and no, there is no such beastie as a diesel "winter formula").

Crude (combined pricing) is around $90/barrel now, so prices should have, at least, fallen in step with the crude futures.
dishstaller
Finally! Some big movement in California diesel pricing (and no, there is no such beastie as a diesel "winter formula").
Just curious here.....then why is diesel so much higher out there than it is elsewhere. Bobby just posted $7.59/gal, locally it is $5.59.....that's two bucks difference. :eeek
harshness
Just curious here.....then why is diesel so much higher out there than it is elsewhere.
California has a ~93¢ per gallon consumer tax rate on automotive diesel, along with significantly higher refinement standards.

The fact that consumers can only buy some new full-sized truck models and a couple of vans with diesel power makes the fuel an odd duck in refinery priorities.
Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Find A Way To My Heart - Phil Collins
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FIND Your Way Back-Jefferson Starship
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ClarkGable
Working My Way Back To You - The Four Seasons
dishstaller
Don't Look Back - Boston
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Please Come to Boston - Dave Loggins
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The Charter/Spectrum tv app has been updated to make it downloaded with more tv brands. I recently added it to my LG Oled tv.
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Bobby
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This thread is a place to discuss the 4K events that appear on channel 540. We are getting, at this point, one college football game a week. Let's hope there is more coming.
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long_time_Dish
No NASCAR in 4K on Sunday? Bummer...
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Jim5506
No NASCAR in 4K on Sunday? Bummer...
It's on Prime.
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long_time_Dish
It's on Prime.
Ah, ok, thanks!
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Foxbat
The World Series Game 1 quality was excellent, the Dolby Surround put us in the seats. Thanks, Dish!
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S
Not seeing many 4k games on the 148 channels lately?

Also I do not see the 4KFox channel on 148-01; I also do not subscribed to our Local Houston channels.

Maybe I need to subscribe to locals or add the National Action Pack? Not sure the extra cost is worth it??

thx for any info or suggestions

S
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jsmit86
Not seeing many 4k games on the 148 channels lately?

Also I do not see the 4KFox channel on 148-01; I also do not subscribed to our Local Houston channels.

Maybe I need to subscribe to locals or add the National Action Pack? Not sure the extra cost is worth it??

thx for any info or suggestions

S
Most of the 4K action on the 148-xx channels will be on Saturday for College Football. For whatever reason, the guide does not show the games until later in the week. The Fox Big Noon game will show up, and there will usually be a couple of other games, some on Fox, and some on ESPN.

I don't know if you need to be subscribed to locals to get them.
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ewindowman
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Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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comfortably_numb

Too bad their service is expensive and their coverage sucks compared to the other two of the Big 3
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Juan
Too bad their service is expensive and their coverage sucks compared to the other two of the Big 3
Was that a back door compliment for Verizon?
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dishstaller
Meanwhile att is getting rid of overseas call centers

Too little too late.

I can actually shed some light on the corp attitude towards call centers.

2015-2017 I was on the Viasat Dealer Council. They would fly us out to CO or CA and wine and dine us. Pretty cool but I was there to give my input because I was a top retailer and I wanted things to improve.
Anyway, at one of the meetings I brought up the fact that customers constantly complained about the overseas call centers. The VP of the company told me that I just didn't understand....those people cost something like 25% of what US employees would cost. Well, as usual when I went out to these meetings, I was loaded for bear....ie facts. I gave them an example of a customer who spent over an hour with one of these call centers and still never got her issue resolved. She called me the next morning after we opened and I had her situation fixed in 2 minutes. I told him "So you guys paid this overseas call center X amount but the customer still wasn't taken care of. I on the other hand, and a US call center probably would have as well because there wouldn't have been the language barrier, had her taken care of in 2 min. so your savings just went right out the door because a US call center would have taken care of her and MANY other customers while your overseas call center did nothing more than PISS off a customer.
Blank stares was all I got.

And THAT was when I realized just how incompetent most of the people are who run these companies. It WAS an enlightening experience.
Almighty1
Even 23 years ago, Verizon was known for having quality customer service. T-Mobile had quality customer service too but just poor mobile service. AT&T when it was still known as AT&T Wireless, Cingular Wireless both had poor customer service. This was when all three were providing customer service from the U.S. so even in the U.S., some companies are still better than others as it still depends on who they hire. That's the same reason AT&T Broadband Inc. which was basically their Cable TV never gotten far and got sold to Comcast.
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comfortably_numb
And THAT was when I realized just how incompetent most of the people are who run these companies

I wouldn't call it incompetence necessarily, it's just that the customer is only a device now, the old idea that you need to spend money to make money has been forgotten. They're not looking at the long game. They're looking at immediate exposure and shareholder value. Spending a lot of money on local call centers might be a good long term investment, but it doesn't do anything for them in the short term. That's what the blank stares were about, they thought YOU didn't get it.
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comfortably_numb
Was that a back door compliment for Verizon?

And TMO. If anybody's lagging behind the most, it's ATT.
dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
· posted in The Chit Chat Club
Now after reading this story I walked away thinking that this is being blown out of proportion because of the incredibly low numbers of those affected.....BUT....I've read posts by some of you who are taking this drug so I figured it was worth posting.

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KAB
KAB
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· posted in Movie Talk
Not a bit surprised.

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