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Last reply Dec 15, 2006 · posted in Cable Television and Fiber Providers

Trouble with HD signal, lots of noise, need help

Unfortunately my first post on this board is about a issue I am having with my Cox cable HD service and hopefully someone can help me out. It is more an issue I believe with the way the condo was wired than with Cox cable. Here is a overview on how things are setup, sorry about the long nature of this post.

I am a renter and live in a nice condo in Phoenix, Arizona. However, who ever bought the condo either cut costs by having their cable daisy chained or that's how the builder decided to do it!

Currently in the condo there are 3 cable jacks, one is in the Master bedroom, another in bed 2, and finally one in the family room.

Cable feed comes in from the street to a Phone/Cable closet on the bottom floor which houses all the cable and phone for the building I am in, only community staff and cable/phone providers have access to this room.

From this closet/room, there is a cable feed running up to my condo unit directly to the Master bedroom outlet. After unscrewing the plate I noticed that this line coming from the downstairs utility room is being split using a standard non-amplified 5-1,000mhz 3.5 GHZ db splitter into the master bedroom plate and then running into bed 2.

From bed 2 it repeats itself, using the same splitter and then running it into the family room where it directly connects to the cable plate. In the end the family room is the last line of the daisy chain, you think they would have done it reversed!

The issues I am having is that the TV signal on my Samsung 56'' 1080p display in the family room looks bad during most HD programs. I am seeing a lot of digital noise, lots of image bleeding and simply not the picture quality I should be seeing.

I am using the standard Cox HD scientific Atlantis HD8240 box with a monster 800 series 1 meter cable running to the Samsung.

I know there is really no way of getting around the daisy chain setup the builder has done, and there is also no way of me doing a direct feed from the first spit that's located in the master bedroom and running that into the family room because I am on floor 2 of 3.

Is there a good way I can boost that signal into the family room from the incoming line in the master bedroom? Some kind of good amplifier anyone recommends? Or am I out of look with the way the condo was wired?

Thanks for the help on this issue everyone!

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Todd Humphrey

Dec 11, 2006

You first must learn if you have enough signal at any point in your home, and also if the picture you are seeing is the best it can be. Access the CATV at the first point you can in your home and run a coax from that point straight to your HD CATV box. This will give you the best picture you could ever expect. If that picture is still not clear, then call the cable company and see what they can do.

If your picture does clear up then still call the cable company and ask them to provide an amplifier. Those two splitters are only dropping your signal level 7 db. The cable box needs 0 db (1000mv) and many homes use four way splitters with no problem, which also has a 7db loss per port.

Don't try to use a cheap VHF/UHF amp. They will not work well on a large channel capcity system. A good CATV 0-1000 Mhz amp runs at least $85 to $150. Let the cable company provide it.

djjolietjake

Dec 12, 2006

Todd Humphrey said:
You first must learn if you have enough signal at any point in your home, and also if the picture you are seeing is the best it can be. Access the CATV at the first point you can in your home and run a coax from that point straight to your HD CATV box. This will give you the best picture you could ever expect. If that picture is still not clear, then call the cable company and see what they can do.

If your picture does clear up then still call the cable company and ask them to provide an amplifier. Those two splitters are only dropping your signal level 7 db. The cable box needs 0 db (1000mv) and many homes use four way splitters with no problem, which also has a 7db loss per port.

Don't try to use a cheap VHF/UHF amp. They will not work well on a large channel capcity system. A good CATV 0-1000 Mhz amp runs at least $85 to $150. Let the cable company provide it.

Motorola makes a good 15 db gain amp that passes the reverse. Also, you shoud ask the cable co. to switch the splitters to DC 6'S. THIS will give more signal at the end of the run.

good luck!

branchbouncer

Dec 13, 2006

djjolietjake said:
Motorola makes a good 15 db gain amp that passes the reverse. Also, you shoud ask the cable co. to switch the splitters to DC 6'S. THIS will give more signal at the end of the run.

good luck!

We are using the Motorola here works better than the one the cable co gave us

Todd Humphrey

Dec 13, 2006

djjolietjake said:
Motorola makes a good 15 db gain amp that passes the reverse. Also, you shoud ask the cable co. to switch the splitters to DC 6'S. THIS will give more signal at the end of the run.

good luck!

A 6db directional coupler, or Line Tap, ( I assume this what you mean by DC6) will have the same through loss, or more, as a 2 way splitter. Only a tap value around 10db or higher would have significant less signal through loss then 3.5 db, but to use a 10 db tap would mean you had at least 10 db available. If we had 10db, there would not be an issue.

stevenl

Dec 15, 2006

Todd Humphrey said:
A 6db directional coupler, or Line Tap, ( I assume this what you mean by DC6) will have the same through loss, or more, as a 2 way splitter. Only a tap value around 10db or higher would have significant less signal through loss then 3.5 db, but to use a 10 db tap would mean you had at least 10 db available. If we had 10db, there would not be an issue.

The "Through" leg of the DC (tap) has aprox < 1 db of loss the "TAP" or "DC" leg of the device will lose the most signal depending on the size of the DC dc6 = 6db loss dc9 = 9 and so on.. and i answerd this in antoher thread as to how it will only gain u 1 db at the last tv but lose 3db more at tv1 and 2db at tv2

Todd Humphrey

Dec 15, 2006

stevenl said:
The "Through" leg of the DC (tap) has aprox < 1 db of loss the "TAP" or "DC" leg of the device will lose the most signal depending on the size of the DC dc6 = 6db loss dc9 = 9 and so on.. and i answerd this in antoher thread as to how it will only gain u 1 db at the last tv but lose 3db more at tv1 and 2db at tv2

Sorry, but you are not correct.

The through loss of a tap increases as the tap value decreases. A 4db tap has no throughput and terminates. An 8db tap has about 3.7 db through loss. A 6db tap would have about 4-5db+ of loss.

The through loss of a tap is only < 1 db once your tap value reaches about 23db or higher.

Note: The specs I have mentioned above come the spec sheet for Toner brand 2-port taps, models TMXT102-4T, TXMT102-8 and TXMT102-23. There may be small differances from one brand to another, but in 25 years I have found no more than a 2-4% variance from one to another.

Todd Humphrey

Dec 15, 2006

If you had 5db of signal to a house and ran it through 2-2-way splitters,

TV1 would have 1.5 db
TV2 would have -2 db
TV3 would have -2 db plus the line loss from the 2nd splitter to the 3rd location. Say another 2db for a total of -4db

Using 6 db taps at a through loss of 4db (conservative value) you would get these results

5db to tap 1 = TV1 would have -1db (5-6) and the throughput loss would be 4db.
1db to Tap 2 = TV2 would have -5db (1-6) and the throughput loss another 4db.
This gives you -3db plus the cable loss of 2db for a total of -5db at the last TV

TV1 looses at least 2.5 db
TV2 looses at least 3 db
TV3 looses at least 1 db

Taps are only usefull when used with at least 15 db of line signal.

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Last reply 2 minutes ago · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

Traditional/Streaming Live TV Providers Losses, 3rd Quarter 2026 Edition

Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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ncted said:
All my parents had to do to get a discount on Spectrum Internet is say the words "Verizon Home Internet," and they cut the price by $30/month.

I don't think they'll go below the current $30 price since it's part of a deal they have with the non- profit that owns the apartment building.

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ncted

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NYDutch said:
I don't think they'll go below the current $30 price since it's part of a deal they have with the non- profit that owns the apartment building.

Yeah, I was just saying Spectrum suddenly wants to keep what customers they can.

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Optimum, which bought up our previous cable company, Suddenlink (originally COX), replac ed all of their coax disdribution with Fiber several years ago. They ran new fiber links to the house, but installed RFOG (RF over glass) devices on the outside of the house, which makes the house coax system look like a cable system. They used DOCSIS modems and of course we had the same assymetric bandwidth of cable internet. When I called them a couple years ago, and said I had installed a connection to the local Fiber provideer, MetroNet, They panicked and offered me the 300 MBit "Fiber powered" cable service for $20 per month. They were bleeding customers. I cancelled my Metronet and went with the $20 deal for a year, even though I didn't like the old cable technology.

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Now the successor to the old local telephone company, Brightspeed has also installed a modern Fiber system in the neighborhood, but won't be getting my business. But their Fiber technology is also superior to Optimums cable based system.

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Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.

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Foxbat said:
Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.

similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.

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similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.

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nelson61 said:
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SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
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Can't remember where or who I saw predict this.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.

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Bruce

Tuesday at 10:17 AM

Scott Greczkowski said:
It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.

Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.

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Scott Greczkowski

Tuesday at 10:22 AM

Bruce said:
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.

I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.

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Bruce

Tuesday at 11:30 AM

Scott Greczkowski said:
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.

Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.

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Bruce said:
Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.

dish has new sats dtv does not

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renjy651

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slow_poke_pete said:
dish has new sats dtv does not

Hate to say this no one is ordering Satellite TV. Both DISH and Direct no new customers.
After 25 years with centurylink DSL 80 speed i changed to Xfinity 300 speed for $50 wow lightning fast for streaming. Still have DISH 27 years with them. Americas 250 package for $103. What you think of superbox or vseebox for streaming is it legal?
Still dish is easy to operate and change channels. What will Charlie Ergen do with new super satellites with loosing customers with satellites and boost?

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comfortably_numb

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What you think of superbox or vseebox for streaming is it legal?

NO.

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 11:52 AM

renjy651 said:
Hate to say this no one is ordering Satellite TV. Both DISH and Direct no new customers.
After 25 years with centurylink DSL 80 speed i changed to Xfinity 300 speed for $50 wow lightning fast for streaming. Still have DISH 27 years with them. Americas 250 package for $103. What you think of superbox or vseebox for streaming is it legal?
Still dish is easy to operate and change channels. What will Charlie Ergen do with new super satellites with loosing customers with satellites and boost?

While I agree but dish just launched a new sat. That can be used as an asset for Elon. Maybe he will repurpose em for his cell service. And if he wants tv to. God knows why he would but I think he will get a great deal on the contracts in place and equipment!!! I could think of better things to spend my money on. And to be honest Elon has nothing to offer me have blazing fast internet and ill never buy an ev. The veesee box and the super box are illegal.

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dishstaller

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Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?

That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads :facepalm

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Another reason I'm glad we are swapping or Rokus out for Apple TVs. I was already planning on ditching the Rokus earlier this year and had been waiting on Apple to announce the new one last month. Our Rokus have had issues the last year or so with freezing video and reboots, and one with an HDCP issue randomly.

Hmmm... I don't have any of those problems with my Roku devices. I have 3 of them.

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I suspect Fox will make me consider 2-3 more Apple TV STB purchases.

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Hmmm... I don't have any of those problems with my Roku devices. I have 3 of them.

I have the Roku's, 2 or 3, I just rarely use them ... I prefer the Google/Android Sony set up.

People tell me that the Apps on the TV will end thier usefulness as they age ... They are doing ok for me so far ... I also have the TV take the App Updates whenever possible ... then again, I don't know how often App updates come to it.

So, so far, I'm doing ok, but if they start to get sluggish, I'll eventually change to a Roku ... I don't want to, but eventually ... (Or buy another new TV :eeek

reubenray

Today at 12:50 PM

navychop said:
I suspect Fox will make me consider 2-3 more Apple TV STB purchases.

As long as my Roku Ultra works I will use it. I use it for all of my streaming apps except for Prime. I read that Prime works best with Android TV's.

navychop

Today at 1:03 PM

Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?

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navychop said:
Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?

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Juan

43 minutes ago

dishstaller said:
That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads

The ads are boring and repetitive...same ad over and over...bring back 1970s ads..might not be as big an issue

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