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Last reply Jan 6, 2007 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

no line of sight - lazy installer or ??

I am trying to switch to Dish from TWC in the Raleigh area. At my scheduled install yesterday, the installer was not able to find a location on my property where we could get line of sight without either placing the big dish right in front of my house.

It also seemed like she wasn't very interested in trying to make it work -- almost like she was trying to talk me out of the install. Maybe she had something better to do?

I want to get the HD Gold package with Raleigh HD locals. -- this requires the 110/119/129 and 61.5 satellites? Is the 129 at a very low elevation? (my zip is 27518).

She mentioned a few things while here that I wanted to check out with you guys.

1 - Is mounting a dish on the roof a bad idea because of possible damage (to the roof) during windstorms?

1a - If it's okay to mount on the roof? Do most installers have the right equipment to work safely on a roof? (this installer did not, apparently.)

2 - If dish needs a pole-mount in the yard somewhere, must it be in concrete in the ground, or can it be in concrete-filled bucket which is placed in a stable location or partially buried (so the concrete can be easily removed later).

3 - The installer said she doesn't do "wall mounts" (attached to siding or trim) -- When I had Dish network in Colorado, the (2) dishes were attached to the wall. Does this depend on the size of the dish or the type of siding, etc.

I'd really like to ditch cable and go with Dish network... I don't want to give up on the install if the installer was just lazy, but if I really can't get line-of-sight without a ton of effort or an ugly install than I'll stick with cable for a while or see if I would be able to get DirecTV more easily.

Thanks, all!

-Ryan Thompson

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Claude Greiner

Dec 17, 2006

Yes, installers are paid by the Job and you would think that its in their best intrest to do your Job to get paid.

The problem is this, lets say the installer gets 4 Jobs per day, its in their best intrest to blow off the hard Job and do 3 easy Jobs instead of spending all day doing the 1 hard Job.

bmxcookie

Jan 5, 2007

Correction!

Claude Greiner said:
Yes, installers are paid by the Job and you would think that its in their best intrest to do your Job to get paid.

The problem is this, lets say the installer gets 4 Jobs per day, its in their best intrest to blow off the hard Job and do 3 easy Jobs instead of spending all day doing the 1 hard Job.

I am a DNSC tech and we are paid by the hour, NOT by the job. Some contractors are hourly as well. Most though are by the job as retailers generally are as well.

dishcomm

Jan 5, 2007

bmxcookie said:
I am a DNSC tech and we are paid by the hour, NOT by the job. Some contractors are hourly as well. Most though are by the job as retailers generally are as well.

Unfortunately ,you are correct..There are a small percentage of contract techs who will blow of difficult jobs in favor of easy ones..However the problem is not all the techs..Part of the blame rests upon the system as well..Techs are not compensated for exrtraordinary work. Also if a job will require an inordinate amount of time the result is the other jobs for that day get delayed or at worst rescheduled. That's due to the fact that ther is no time cushion built into the system. I have heard stories form techs employed by other contractors of how they walk out of their office with 5-6 or 7 jobs...far more than can be completed in a normal work day. Their bosses know darn well there will be rescheduled jobs..And who suffers?..The customer. That's not right.
As far as I'm concerned ther's no excuse for a no call no show..Commuincation is the key..Customers are going to be upset if their job is delayed or rescheduled, but much less so if the tech offers the courstey of a phone call..

Hall

Jan 5, 2007

dishcomm said:
There are a small percentage of contract techs who will blow of difficult jobs in favor of easy ones..

How do they know the next job or the one after that will be "easy" though ?? They blow off too many jobs, they don't get paid for the day....

I have heard stories form techs employed by other contractors of how they walk out of their office with 5-6 or 7 jobs...far more than can be completed in a normal work day.

Moral of the story to customers then is ask for the 8-12am installation time slot, right ??

At least that way there's no jobs ahead of you. Heh, I try and do the same with doctor or dentist appointments ! Schedule them either first thing in the morning or first appt after the office takes lunch.

webbydude

Jan 5, 2007

hall said:
How do they know the next job or the one after that will be "easy" though ?? They blow off too many jobs, they don't get paid for the day.... Moral of the story to customers then is ask for the 8-12am installation time slot, right ?? At least that way there's no jobs ahead of you. Heh, I try and do the same with doctor or dentist appointments ! Schedule them either first thing in the morning or first appt after the office takes lunch.

It's pretty easy to tell what installs are going to be the easy ones. Truth of the matter is this...unless it's out in the country or the sticks, most 2-room installs nowdays are gonna be a cake walk. One...if not both of the rooms will have some form of coaxial cable. Even if it's RG-59. The way the dual-tuners are designed nowdays, a tech can easily centrally locate the receiver and just give the customer two UHF remotes and use the existing 59 cable as an output; that's a worst case scenario

dishcomm

Jan 6, 2007

hall said:
How do they know the next job or the one after that will be "easy" though ?? They blow off too many jobs, they don't get paid for the day.... Moral of the story to customers then is ask for the 8-12am installation time slot, right ?? At least that way there's no jobs ahead of you. Heh, I try and do the same with doctor or dentist appointments ! Schedule them either first thing in the morning or first appt after the office takes lunch.

Yes, one would believe a customer would stand a better chance of getting their job done if Scheduled in the AM..However that is not always true..Just remeber that 7 of evry 10 techs is most likely overloaded with work just about every day...That's mno tsay ALL...My empooyer does not do this...WE get as many jobs as we can handle..No more..Techs can request as much work as they wish but must complete all they take..If techs are found to be not getting their work done, they are given less..We basically do not allow reschedules for"I don't have time"...If a tech runs into an issue and gets stuck on a job, that's a legit reason for missing other jobs..

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cp2k

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Honestly, I would rather see an expanded bracketed playoff system than the current Conference Championship Game + playoff model we're using right now. The Conference Championships essentially allow two teams to beat up on each other, and then both typically are going to end up in the playoffs anyway unless it is one of the weaker or smaller conferences. Let them play it out on the field against others.

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cp2k said:
Honestly, I would rather see an expanded bracketed playoff system than the current Conference Championship Game + playoff model we're using right now. The Conference Championships essentially allow two teams to beat up on each other, and then both typically are going to end up in the playoffs anyway unless it is one of the weaker or smaller conferences. Let them play it out on the field against others.

Until the Big Ten changed thier alignment, (a couple years ago) ... it was not like that at all, the East side won most years the west side represented the Big Ten, but they may have been the team with the 4th best record ...
They finally changed that, to a single conference ... but yes, in most cases, both teams will get in ... now, its a certain both will get in ...

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Jimbo said:
They finally changed that, to a single conference ... but yes, in most cases, both teams will get in ... now, its a certain both will get in ...

Surprised you haven't made this claim yet.

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cp2k said:
I like the move to campus sites for the early games. That adds a fun new dimension for fans, and cuts down on some of the travel expenses that would come with having to follow a team all the way through the playoffs at neutral sites.

Agree ... they started doing that a few years ago.

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Surprised you haven't made this claim yet.

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That'd be more than the FA Cup! Over 700 teams. It is also the most glorious tournament in the world.

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The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!

I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS

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Juan said:
I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS

And Steve Jobs stole the mouse and GUI

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ERSanders said:
The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!

Actually I survived despite them for 31 years and two expait assignments. But the quest for the current quarter's profits doomed long term vision, planning and actions.