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Sharkdiver

Last reply Dec 22, 2006 · posted in Cable Television and Fiber Providers

Which coax

I'm in the process of planning a new home, am wanting your input on what coax to use, and have a few questions. I'm planning to install a Structured Media Enclosure that will house CATV, DBS satellite, telephone, and 10/100/1000 network. I would prefer to only have to buy 1 type of cable that can pull triple-duty with the planned CATV, cable broadband internet, and satellite. I had planned on using Belden 7916A Quad Sheild coax throughout for this, but I have a complicating factor. I want to install the satellite on a pole in the backyard (has clear view to southern skyline) versus putting it on the house. I plan on running conduit from the attic to the pole but I'm not sure if I should use a direct burial coax in the conduit or not. Belden (nor anybody else that I could find) does not make a direct burial quad shield cable with a solid copper center conductor. Or would I be better off going with a copper covered steel cable over the 7916A? I want the quad sheild cable because the enclosure will be right next to a security alarm panel in a closet and I don't want problems with interference between the 2, plus a have a stockpile of Thomas & Betts quad sheild compression connectors on hand. I've read that a solid copper conductor is better for satellite, especially with Dishnetwork's Dishpro setups. I have a legacy Dish500 setup now, but will most likely upgrade either when I move or at some point in the future. I'm not sure which is "better" for broadband but the cable company installed a quad sheild cable with a copper covered steel conductor when they installed my present setup. I may also want to carry video from a central PVR server over the coax and again I've read solid copper is the way to go with that. So given all that, here are some questions:
1) Which cable/s would you use?
2) Is it exceptable to run non-direct burial cable underground through conduit?
3) Is there any limit on how far switches, such as a SW64 or SP34, can be from the LNBF? I'm aware of the 100/200' limit placed on the recievers.
4) My legacy LNBF's have dual outputs on each LNBF,ie no intergrated switches. Is the signal already combined on the DishPro setups so it only requires 1 feed that goes straight to the reciever?
5) I've been eyeing the VIP622 receiver, is the TV2 out on it worth fooling with or is still better to just have a reciever at each TV?

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Todd Humphrey

Dec 21, 2006

That coax work just fine for all your needs.

It will also work just fine in conduit. Make sure your conduit is water tight. The only problem with burying non-direct burial coax in the ground is, should that coax be cut and exposed to water, the water will migrate along the braid. You will need to replace as much as several feet on both sides of a break, if the ends are sitting in water before they are repaired.
Direct burial cable has a compound inside that prevents water from migrating along the braid. The cable also has a different jacket type. This type of cable called Flooded Cable, in referance to the compound that is flooded inside the jacket.
If placed in conduit,and if you can pull new cable through, should it ever be required. Your just fine with your plans.

I would run at least 4 coaxs inside a 1-1/2 conduit.

As far as distance, the DP or DPP LNBS, (you will use the DPP with a 622) can operate very comfortably at 200' from LNB to receiver.

The TV2 output on the 622 is OK for a tube TV in a bedroom, but not for a LCD, DLP or plasma anywhere. I like to use the both tuners at the main TV anyway. We try to install the 2TV to an exercise room, or better yet a garage or kitchen. Some place a tuner is hard to locate.

Sharkdiver

Dec 21, 2006

Yeah, I kinda figured I was getting too caught up in the specs with the cable and that the 7916 would be fine. I could use poly pipe over conduit to cut down on leakage even more, but why I thought I'd use PVC conduit is so that I can put the service elbows at each end to allow me to replace or add cable easily at will. Was thinking I could blow a hole in the mounting pipe with a torch and secure that end to it with an electrical box fitting and run the cable up the center of the mounting pole to the dish. Then I could seal the conduit with silicone at several locations. I've never worked with the poly pipe so I'm not familair with the fittings that are available for it. Prehaps there are some that would allow me to use it in a similair fashion with maybe a weathertight enclosure designed just for this?

Thanks for the info on the 622 as well. There will be at least 2 HDTVs involved. A plasma in the living room and a smaller LCD in the bedroom, so I guess I'll end up with 2 HD receivers anyway. Speaking of the 622, can you download the recordings from it to an external hard drive? I'd like to be able to record some of them to DVD. I suppose I could do it in realtime hooked up to a DVD recorder, but that would be insanely slow.

Todd Humphrey

Dec 21, 2006

Dish has a portable device, but I am not aware of how to down to a HD.

I would not mess with running the cable inside the pipe. Just run the conduit along side the mast and install a weather head. If you cut a hole in the 1-5/8" pole, you will weaken the mast.

Sharkdiver

Dec 21, 2006

Wasn't planning on using a 1 5/8" pipe, if you're referring to the cyclone fence posts. I was looking more into something custom, like a piece of 2" square steel tubing. Or maybe a 2" or 3" steel pipe. Something that can stand up to impacts from lawnmowers, kids, and etc.

Todd Humphrey

Dec 22, 2006

Fence post are only good for low (less then 3 feet high). We prefer 1-1/4 water pipe or rigid conduit (same material). It is sch 40 and tough. There is nothing wrong with starting larger and adapting down. Very wise idea.

dishstaller

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Last reply 14 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Color blind man sees full colors for first time at age 66

Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.

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Bobby

Wednesday at 10:10 PM

dishstaller said:
Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a2cgQidHQJI

That brought tears to my eyes.

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dishstaller

Wednesday at 10:12 PM

Bobby said:
That brought tears to my eyes.

Really...REALLY hate to do this to you Bobby, but....

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsOo3jzkhYA&pp=ygUed29tYW4gaGVhcnMgZm9yIHRoZSBmaXJzdCB0aW1l

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dishstaller

Wednesday at 10:15 PM

Okay....if you think you can take it....this one brought tears to my eyes when I first saw it and did again just now.

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/i5UCDwHMatg?feature=share

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dishstaller

Thursday at 11:32 PM

This came up in my suggestions probably because of the video I posted. I had NO idea exactly what being color blind actually was. Now I understand why that man was so blown away with seeing the trees......a lot of color blind people see green as brown, so grass, trees, etc all look brown.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i18_RngKJDQ

Juan

20 minutes ago

Its a shame nobody told him orange was blue and red was purple etc etc etc

telstar_1

14 minutes ago

Often people who have organic vision or hearing activated as adults after never having had it cannot practically utilize it because their brains never developed the massive neural network needed to make sense of any of it.

Well, he sees in color, just differently. Can't he just enjoy that? My granny had anachromatic color blindness, meaning pretty much like a b&w tv

Bruce

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Last reply 18 minutes ago · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

Traditional/Streaming Live TV Providers Losses, 3rd Quarter 2026 Edition

Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

Comcast Just Lost 274,000 TV Customers & 144,000 Internet Customers In Just Three Months | Cord Cutters News

Comcast Corporation reported its third-quarter 2026 results on October 22, showing continued erosion in its domestic residential broadband internet and video customer bases as competitive pressures intensified across the connectivity market. The company recorded a net loss of 144,000 domestic...

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ncted

Yesterday at 12:06 PM

All my parents had to do to get a discount on Spectrum Internet is say the words "Verizon Home Internet," and they cut the price by $30/month.

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NYDutch

Yesterday at 12:38 PM

ncted said:
All my parents had to do to get a discount on Spectrum Internet is say the words "Verizon Home Internet," and they cut the price by $30/month.

I don't think they'll go below the current $30 price since it's part of a deal they have with the non- profit that owns the apartment building.

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ncted

Yesterday at 12:46 PM

NYDutch said:
I don't think they'll go below the current $30 price since it's part of a deal they have with the non- profit that owns the apartment building.

Yeah, I was just saying Spectrum suddenly wants to keep what customers they can.

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Tom Speer

Yesterday at 1:26 PM

Optimum, which bought up our previous cable company, Suddenlink (originally COX), replac ed all of their coax disdribution with Fiber several years ago. They ran new fiber links to the house, but installed RFOG (RF over glass) devices on the outside of the house, which makes the house coax system look like a cable system. They used DOCSIS modems and of course we had the same assymetric bandwidth of cable internet. When I called them a couple years ago, and said I had installed a connection to the local Fiber provideer, MetroNet, They panicked and offered me the 300 MBit "Fiber powered" cable service for $20 per month. They were bleeding customers. I cancelled my Metronet and went with the $20 deal for a year, even though I didn't like the old cable technology.

Then T-moble Fiber struck a deal with Metronet Fiber where T-mobile would take over the marketing, billing and customer relations for residential Customers. They offered a "Founders Deal" for 2 Gigabit service, symmetric speeds, for $70 per month for new customers. That included all taxes and fees and was guaranteed for 10 years. I couldn't resist. That deal is no longer offered, but I am set for 9 more years.

Now the successor to the old local telephone company, Brightspeed has also installed a modern Fiber system in the neighborhood, but won't be getting my business. But their Fiber technology is also superior to Optimums cable based system.

With Fiber competition, the cable companies are eventually doomed.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 4:26 PM

Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.

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savarese04

18 minutes ago

Foxbat said:
Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.

similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.

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b4pjoe

Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge

Last reply 26 minutes ago · posted in Computers and Gadgets

Fox Is Buying Roku in $22 Billion Deal

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harshness

Jun 25, 2026

Given that Tubi is one of the hottest FAST services out there, I don't expect it to go anywhere. Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?

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Neutron

Yesterday at 3:04 PM

Another reason I'm glad we are swapping or Rokus out for Apple TVs. I was already planning on ditching the Rokus earlier this year and had been waiting on Apple to announce the new one last month. Our Rokus have had issues the last year or so with freezing video and reboots, and one with an HDCP issue randomly.

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 3:06 PM

harshness said:
Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?

That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads :facepalm

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TRG

Yesterday at 9:50 PM

Neutron said:
Another reason I'm glad we are swapping or Rokus out for Apple TVs. I was already planning on ditching the Rokus earlier this year and had been waiting on Apple to announce the new one last month. Our Rokus have had issues the last year or so with freezing video and reboots, and one with an HDCP issue randomly.

Hmmm... I don't have any of those problems with my Roku devices. I have 3 of them.

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navychop

Yesterday at 10:36 PM

I suspect Fox will make me consider 2-3 more Apple TV STB purchases.

Jimbo

Today at 9:55 AM

TRG said:
Hmmm... I don't have any of those problems with my Roku devices. I have 3 of them.

I have the Roku's, 2 or 3, I just rarely use them ... I prefer the Google/Android Sony set up.

People tell me that the Apps on the TV will end thier usefulness as they age ... They are doing ok for me so far ... I also have the TV take the App Updates whenever possible ... then again, I don't know how often App updates come to it.

So, so far, I'm doing ok, but if they start to get sluggish, I'll eventually change to a Roku ... I don't want to, but eventually ... (Or buy another new TV :eeek

reubenray

Today at 12:50 PM

navychop said:
I suspect Fox will make me consider 2-3 more Apple TV STB purchases.

As long as my Roku Ultra works I will use it. I use it for all of my streaming apps except for Prime. I read that Prime works best with Android TV's.

navychop

Today at 1:03 PM

Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?

osu1991

Today at 1:11 PM

navychop said:
Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?

Prime seems to have a problem passing the DV/HDR metadata to Roku and Apple devices, but no problem with their Fire devices.

Juan

26 minutes ago

dishstaller said:
That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads

The ads are boring and repetitive...same ad over and over...bring back 1970s ads..might not be as big an issue

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Last reply Today at 12:48 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

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CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

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Another example:

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Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Last reply Today at 12:47 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Gas Price Info With National Gas Temperature Map

Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
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Regular$5.459
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Billboard along I-10 had reg at $3.81 and diesel at $5.54

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Regular$5.399
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$3.55

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KyL416

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Last reply Today at 10:46 AM · posted in DIRECTV Programming Forum

Genre Packs from DIRECTV

https://www.directv.com/insider/mysports-changes-the-game/
https://streamtv.directv.com/mysports/ (You might have to logout or open a private window to see the details)
As of now this is only available for streaming customers in select markets. Existing streaming customers can switch to it for $69.99, but they are not eligible for the $20 off for 3 months discount. More genre-specific packages will launch during the first half of the year.

At launch, MySports includes 40 sports and broadcast channels and is initially available in 24 metro areas, including New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia, San Francisco Bay Area, and others. Click here for more information and the list of initial launch markets. The availability of MySports will expand into additional markets as DIRECTV adds more local stations to the package.

The streamlined MySports package includes national and local channels in select markets, as well as live news channels.

National sports channels immediately available through MySports include ACC Network, Big Ten Network, DIRECTV 4K Live, DIRECTV 4K Live 2, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNews, ESPNU, Fox Sports 1, Fox Sports 2, Golf Channel, MLB Network, NBA TV, NFL Network, NHL Network, SEC Network, TBS, TNT, TruTV and USA Network. Local channels will initially include any stations owned and operated by ABC, FOX, and NBC, with additional stations coming online soon.

Additional networks, local stations and ESPN+, will be included in MySports at no extra cost in the near future.

Consumers who sign up online for the contract-free package before Feb. 28, 2025, can receive MySports for $49.99 monthly for the first three months, a $20 monthly savings. After the free trial, it auto-renews monthly, and consumers can cancel anytime.

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KyL416

May 26, 2026

They recently split the news channels off of MySports, so CNBC, CNN, FBN, FNC and MSNOW are no longer part of it.

MySports was decreased to $64.99, and a new "MySports+MyNews Duo" pack is $79.99, which will also give you Bloomberg, CNBC World, CNNI, the C-SPANs, i24 and Newsmax.

Tennis Channel also joined MySports at some point over the past year.

Curtis0620

Jun 16, 2026

KyL416 said:
They recently split the news channels off of MySports, so CNBC, CNN, FBN, FNC and MSNOW are no longer part of it.

MySports was decreased to $64.99, and a new "MySports+MyNews Duo" pack is $79.99, which will also give you Bloomberg, CNBC World, CNNI, the C-SPANs, i24 and Newsmax.

Tennis Channel also joined MySports at some point over the past year.

AMC+ now included in MyEntertainment Pack. I guess we know why the $8 price increase.

KyL416

Jun 16, 2026

Here's the Insider article. Shudder is now part of MyCinema and Fanatiz1 was added to the Spanish packages last Friday. PX Sports was also added a few weeks ago.

It's not just AMC+ driving the price increases on the genre packs, the rest of the AMC Networks (AMC, WE, IFC, Sundance, BBC America), along with Paramount/CBS, Hallmark, Weigel and others joined since they debuted last year.

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KyL416

Yesterday at 10:35 PM

MySports now has some CW affiliates, and MyNews now has some CW affiliates and the MyNetworkTV O&Os.

At quick check, it looks like the CBS and Sinclair owned CW affiliates are missing.

Curtis0620

Today at 10:46 AM

KyL416 said:
MySports now has some CW affiliates, and MyNews now has some CW affiliates and the MyNetworkTV O&Os.

At quick check, it looks like the CBS and Sinclair owned CW affiliates are missing.

No Hearst owned CW in Orlando

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osu1991

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Last reply Today at 10:29 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

EV News

America’s Fastest-Growing EV State Isn’t California—Not by a Long Shot

New data shows electric vehicle adoption is increasingly driven by state policies, electricity prices and charging access—not federal incentives

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The number-one US state for EV growth, according to the June 22 Yardi report?
Oklahoma.

:eek

It has no ZEV mandates and "minimal" incentives, Yardi says, but also has cheap electricity, high multi-car household rates (so, for example, a non-Lightning Ford F-150 pulls their trailers), and a consumer base willing to switch.

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The Cybertruck was supposed to make the F-150 obsolete. It wasn't supposed to be boring, like a Ford or a Chevy. It was supposed to be "more truck than truck." It turns out, people just wanted trucks that were trucks, and CEO Elon Musk announced on X earlier this morning is that the Cybertruck is dying.

Ending production in middle of next year at gigatexas for cybercab production.

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 12:09 PM

IF they had made the cyber truck more like a conventional truck, more would have bought it. There is a REASON trucks all have a very similar layout....it's what people want AND it serves the purposes those of us who have a truck needs.

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harshness

Today at 10:29 AM

dishstaller said:
There is a REASON trucks all have a very similar layout....it's what people want AND it serves the purposes those of us who have a truck needs.

As it is, most consumers buy trucks as comfortable transportation rather than commercial utility. The Cybertruck approach to that goal was way out in left field. It turned out to be more of an austere sedan with awful daily-driver attributes (visibility, parking). The expectations regarding truck durability were dashed early on.

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