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Wondering whether someone here could help him, and with a slight trepidation that he is asking for something not possible, or that he cannot explain clearly, he types the following, which looks more like an essay than a simple question…

I have a 622 on order to "upgrade" my 522. How do I use both a 522 and 622 at one location? With only space for 30 hours of HD recording, I would like to use the 522 for SD recordings. I have searched the forum and only found one reference (without detail) that recommends this approach. How do I do this? I assume that I can just take the outputs from each box to different inputs on my A/V receiver. And I will need to make sure the remotes are using different channels. What I don't understand is how I would do the inputs. My understanding is that the signal is degraded with every splitter. Yet right now there seems to be two splitters that split the single coax into three inputs on my 522. I could just trust the installer who brings the 622 to know what to do, but then again that seems a little too foolhardy.

The reason I am looking to do this is so that I can continue to record programs from HGTV, LTC, History Channel, etc. that I would watch if I have time. I currently have 50-90 hours of recording at any one time. With the 622, some of these will be HD, so I might end up with around the same free disk space.

With my 522 it is easy to figure how much free space I have. 1 hour = 1%. If I have 15 hours free I know I can record two playoff games and only use about 8 of the 15 free hours. I calculate the 622 uses ½% of the available space per hour of SD and 3 1/3% per HD hour (100%/30hrs). If I had 20hrs of HD and 60hrs of SD, that would be 97.7% full. With 8hrs of HD content taking 27%, I no longer have room. Even if I had only 15hrs of HD (50%) and 50hrs of SD (25%), I still wouldn't have room. Therefore the idea of using the 522 for all SD content appeals to me. (Please tell me if my logic is screwy.)

Current setup:
Family Room: 522 setup in "single" mode. Composite video and optical audio output goes to the H/K A/V receiver, then to the TV where I do 99% of watching.
Living Room: TV with RF from tuner 2 on 522 as input. I use 1%, family uses 5%
Den (TV/Computer room upstairs): 501 DVR composite output to TV. I use 1%, wife uses 10%, kids use 90%.

Desired setup:
Family Room: both 622 and 522 in "single" mode with component video into A/V receiver, then into the new Panasonic 50" Plasma screen.
Living Room & Den: I would like access to the DVRs in the Family room. I'm guessing if this is possible, it would only be the RF signal from the coax cable. This is the part that seems like magic, since I don't understand how the output from the family room gets there in the first place.

Even though I don't understand some of this, I am good at following directions.

Thank you in advance if you can help me with this.

…with that he reads over what he wrote, hoping he used the right buzzwords to make it appear that he wasn't a complete idiot. Pressing "send" he gets back to real work, with anticipation of a reply to his quandary almost with as much relish as the anticipation for the delivery of the 622 and the new TV.
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You could trust the installer; but I think it would be best for you to show the tech what you have, and then discuss what you desire, and ask what your options are. If someone was there to see the actual wiring/hook-up scheme used, and what was available, it would be easier to give you advice. However, here's something to think about while waiting for the tech.

1. You are going to upgrade. It actually sounds like you are going to keep what you have, a 522 DVR and 501 DVR, and add a ViP 622 DVR.

2. You have a 522 in Single Mode in the family room, but TV2 is feeding the living room. In single mode, the family room and living room would always be watching the same thing. Maybe it is in Dual Mode.

3. You could have 2 sat receivers next to each other for a single TV. In which case and as you said, each receiver would feed a different Input on the TV, and you would change the address on the remotes and receivers so that each setup has its own unique address. -- In fact, even in a different room, any Tuner using UHF/UHF PRO would also require a different address.

4. Yes, the more splitters you have, the more signal loss that will occur, but just because you have a splitter or two, or three, doesn't mean your signal is shot to hell. It depends on several factors, and if there is excessive loss, it can usually be corrected with an ampilier.

5. You say your 522 has a single coax and splits into 3. I suspect you have a single cable from either the LNBF (satellite antenna) or a Switch, that feeds the two tunners on the 522. The single cable goes into a DP Separator which separates 2 satellite signals and sends them to TV1 and TV2 tuners.

Since you said there is a 2nd splitter, I suspect you have a Diplexer which separates a satellite signal from an RF signal, such as a cable TV signal or TV signal from an outside TV antenna.

However, instead of bringing in a signal from the outside (TV Ant or Cable), it could be used to take the Radio Frequency (RF) output from the 522, and send it through the coax cables running throughout your house. This may be the majic that is being used to get the signal from the Family room to the other rooms.

These two gadgets (DP Separator & Diplexer) are NOT called splitters.

6. We'll talk about DishPro (DP), DishPro Plus (DPP), LNBF, and Switches. You didn't mention what type of dish, LNBF, and/or switch you have.

I suspect you may have a DishPro Plus Twin, which can feed 2 receivers, either single tuner or dual tuner receivers. So, if you are adding another receiver, it looks like they will be adding a switch so that it can feed 3 receivers.

The DP34 can receive 3 satellite locations and feed 4 tuners; so it can only feed 2 dual tuner receivers, since each tuner needs its own satellite feed cable.

The DPP44 can receiver 4 satellite locations and feed 4 receivers, or upto 8 tuners when you use a DP Separator which will allow you to use only 1 satellite feed cable for each dual tuner receiver. It requires a power supply also.

7. Recording space. On the 622, you record until you use up all the available space, and then it will start deleting older and unprotected recordings as needed. I don't remember the exact amount of total time, but instead of percentages, it tells you how much time is currently available to record.
- - - - Example: HD: 25hr 9 min - - - SD: 167hr 34min Avail
But I think it starts at about HD: 30 hours -- SD: 280 hours, and it doesn't matter if you are recording HD or SD, both timers will slowly tick away as you record.

Upgrades: Being discussed today at the CES in Las Vegas, it appears the ViP 622 will have external HD storage, that is, you buy an USB External HDD from CompUSA or your favorite store, call Dish to activate it, and plug it in to get more storage.

8. I think I would put 1 receiver in each room:

- ViP 622 in Family Room in Dual Mode - with future External HDD.
- 522 DVR in Den in Dual Mode
- 501 DVR in Living Room - You can control this with your ViP 622 Remote using AUX (UHF).

Maybe others can help here.

I don't know the capabilities of the 522 and 501, particularly the "Modulated Output(s)" and/or the RF output. But hopefully, you can have all 5 outputs (622=2, 522=2, 501=1) sent over a Home Distribution system so that programming/recording from any TV1 Output, TV2 Output, and/or DVR can be watched from any TV.

Then you need to decide on:

- You may not want to even keep the 501 online.
- Single Mode/Dual Mode -- You need to figure out if you need the Picture-in-Picture capabilities of the Receivers, or use the TV's PIP capabilities.
- Will you be using cable TV?
- Will you be using an Over-the-Air Antenna (OTA) to receive your Local Digital TV Stations (DTV - also known as/called HD Locals).
- I think the only High Definition Output is from the ViP 622 TV1; therefore, I see no reason to put 2 receivers togethers, if the 522 was HD, then I could see locating them side by side so that you could feed 2 HD programs into your HDTV.
Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Don't Look Back - Boston
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Please Come to Boston - Dave Loggins
Bobby
Come A Little Bit Closer - Jay and the Americans
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Closer to You - Brandi Carlile
long_time_Dish
(They Long To Be) Close To You -The Carpenters
Lon.TV
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Well, ATSC 3 is a flop
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TRG
So in other words, corporate greed is more important than public safety. :mad:
b4pjoe
So in other words, corporate greed is more important than public safety. :mad:
At least for a couple more years
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DIRECTV Stream/Internet added Ch 4105 SportsGrid
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Now live:
4101 Yahoo! Sports Network
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Now live:
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K
Game Show Central is now live on channel 4342
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Now live:
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It only took them 41 days to announce it
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A new exclusive FAST channel called "DIRECTV Sportside" is testing
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Ramy
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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cp2k
Honestly, I would rather see an expanded bracketed playoff system than the current Conference Championship Game + playoff model we're using right now. The Conference Championships essentially allow two teams to beat up on each other, and then both typically are going to end up in the playoffs anyway unless it is one of the weaker or smaller conferences. Let them play it out on the field against others.
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Honestly, I would rather see an expanded bracketed playoff system than the current Conference Championship Game + playoff model we're using right now. The Conference Championships essentially allow two teams to beat up on each other, and then both typically are going to end up in the playoffs anyway unless it is one of the weaker or smaller conferences. Let them play it out on the field against others.
Until the Big Ten changed thier alignment, (a couple years ago) ... it was not like that at all, the East side won most years the west side represented the Big Ten, but they may have been the team with the 4th best record ...
They finally changed that, to a single conference ... but yes, in most cases, both teams will get in ... now, its a certain both will get in ...

The biggest issue with the Conference Now is the Number of TEAMS .... WAY to Many.
It would take 2-3 YEARS to do a round robin where everyone would play one another ... How do you know how good a team is when teams don't play the same teams ?
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meStevo
They finally changed that, to a single conference ... but yes, in most cases, both teams will get in ... now, its a certain both will get in ...

Surprised you haven't made this claim yet.


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I like the move to campus sites for the early games. That adds a fun new dimension for fans, and cuts down on some of the travel expenses that would come with having to follow a team all the way through the playoffs at neutral sites.
Jimbo
I like the move to campus sites for the early games. That adds a fun new dimension for fans, and cuts down on some of the travel expenses that would come with having to follow a team all the way through the playoffs at neutral sites.
Agree ... they started doing that a few years ago.
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That'd be more than the FA Cup! Over 700 teams. It is also the most glorious tournament in the world.

Maybe it is time to get rid of the College Football season and just go to a tournament. 128 teams, fill in the bottom end with the lower division. Random draw (except the top 10 teams are in one bucket to draw from in the first and second rounds to avoid OSU v Alabama in the first round), go from 128 to 8. 4 games. Then the 8 remaining teams play 7 games against each other. Then the top two play for the title.
ewindowman
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Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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ERSanders
The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!
navychop
So you have a MBA?
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The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!
I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS
dishdude
I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS

And Steve Jobs stole the mouse and GUI
ERSanders
The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!
Actually I survived despite them for 31 years and two expait assignments. But the quest for the current quarter's profits doomed long term vision, planning and actions.
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Hi guys, is anyone getting any quality on transponder 4135 L 30000 I'm not getting any quality few weeks now.
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Satfaca
No problem here (in central Europe) with a 10-footer. Do note that 9.4 dB required for the lock.
The mod is DVB-S2 8PSK with FEC 5/6.

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