well heres my 2 cents and dish..i've only had dish for about 2yrs now, and when i got it installed, they told me NOT to go out and buy an antenna for HD, that they would be available "soon". BULLS**T! in my option, if dish really wanted the indy HD locals to be on the air right now, they would have made a deal by now! but, thats just me!! since i joined dish, i started out with only 1 322, and have since upgraded to 4 vip211's. anyways, i had a 50' tower installed, with a rotor, and can pickup over 60 HD "local" channels from all over ind, ohio, ill, ky, and mich. all you need is a HD ready tv! DISH can't give me that!! and if i should ever decide to get rid of dish, i still got the 60 HD channels! for the price i paid for the tower to pickup all the "locals", it's well worth it! let'em keep there HD feeds! SORRY, i'm done bitchin now