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Dish's satellites present and future

Is there a list of what all the Dish satellites do or what their planned new satellites may be?

I'm basically wondering what their capacity is and if they currently could compete if DirecTV launched their announced 100 national HD channels tomorrow.

Would Dish be screwed? Are they planing on launching something this year to increase capacity?

It seems they continue to launch satellites but never gain any national capacity.
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mike123abc
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Making a few assumptions:

1. Sea Launch launches E11 sometime in April/May
2. In orbit testing etc makes it June/July available
3. They replace the spot capacity of E7 at 119 with E11
4. The satellite is as least as advanced as E10 (supposed to be more advanced)

Dish could move the HD LiL off of 61.5/129 and put on 119 on spots. They could also add a bunch more HD LiL to 119 spots.

This would give them about 5 TPs free on 61.5 (more on 129 but have to have mirrored under current set up). With 5 TPs they could do 15 channels of good quality HD or 20 Channels of HD lite. Without having to really change a thing elsewhere.

Now if they wanted to go all out HD lite they could add more HD to existing TPs that only have 3 channels on them. And they could force the MPEG-2 HD to MPEG-4, making the 6000/821/921/942 obsolete for HD.

Making all the above happen would probably allow Dish to squeeze on 40 more national HD channels. They would probably be able to carry the top 75 markets in HD on spots (a lot less than DIRECTV but covers most the population).

Question really is how long until they need 40 channels of HD?

Dish really needs Ciel-2 to get up to add a ton more spot capability to 129 (not to mention fix the reception problems people have with 129). With Ciel-2 I would speculate Dish will be able to provide LiL HD to the top 150 markets.

Hopefully Dish will file their E11 application to the FCC next month so we can finally see how much spot power E11 will have. If it is as good as E10 was with TP reuse and sticks to the 5 TPs that E7 is using it could get 50-60 spots, that could mean 40 new HD LiL markets.
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mike123abc said:
Making a few assumptions:

1. Sea Launch launches E11 sometime in April/May
2. In orbit testing etc makes it June/July available
3. They replace the spot capacity of E7 at 119 with E11
4. The satellite is as least as advanced as E10 (supposed to be more advanced)

Dish could move the HD LiL off of 61.5/129 and put on 119 on spots. They could also add a bunch more HD LiL to 119 spots.

This would give them about 5 TPs free on 61.5 (more on 129 but have to have mirrored under current set up). With 5 TPs they could do 15 channels of good quality HD or 20 Channels of HD lite. Without having to really change a thing elsewhere.

Now if they wanted to go all out HD lite they could add more HD to existing TPs that only have 3 channels on them. And they could force the MPEG-2 HD to MPEG-4, making the 6000/821/921/942 obsolete for HD.

Making all the above happen would probably allow Dish to squeeze on 40 more national HD channels. They would probably be able to carry the top 75 markets in HD on spots (a lot less than DIRECTV but covers most the population).

Question really is how long until they need 40 channels of HD?

Dish really needs Ciel-2 to get up to add a ton more spot capability to 129 (not to mention fix the reception problems people have with 129). With Ciel-2 I would speculate Dish will be able to provide LiL HD to the top 150 markets.

Hopefully Dish will file their E11 application to the FCC next month so we can finally see how much spot power E11 will have. If it is as good as E10 was with TP reuse and sticks to the 5 TPs that E7 is using it could get 50-60 spots, that could mean 40 new HD LiL markets.
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A few comments to your assumptions/ideas. I think it would be a waste for Dish to only dedicate 5 TPs to E-11 for spotbeams since E-10 uses 10 TPs. The reuse capability goes way down with only 5 TPs to work with. Dish should move the 3 TPs worth of national HD off of 110 W to 61.5/129 and move 3 TPs worth of SD programming from 119 to 110 so E-11 could use 8 TPs for spotbeams. This would give Dish significant capacity for HD locals.

The capacity at 61.5 W is the problem and the failures with E-3 makes it worse. Currently Dish uses 4 TPs for HD locals at 61.5 W but also has 3 TPs that it can't use because of E-3 failures. There is probably room to free up another 3 TPs and maybe more if Dish gets FCC approval for regular use of TPs 23 and 24 and some of the internationals could also be moved to 118.7 or 121. Dish does need another satellite at 61.5 W and E-6 is just sitting there as an in-orbit spare at 110 W.
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mike123abc
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Echostar has at least 6 slots that need a satellite at the present time... E14 could be going anywhere.
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cebbigh
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Does this all add up to a bunch more capacity? Is DTV really going to be that far ahead or are they just marketing it that way?

With what sounds like a big success with MPEG4 yesterday Dish should be poised to start a big increase in HD offerings based on capacity. Someone needs to nudge Charlie .... :hungry:
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Remember, D* shuts down channels for ST broadcasts. They are shorter on capacity than E*. After the next two sat launches, they may be ahead. Then E* launches one, uses E 12 more, leases more, gets Ceil 2, etc. It swaps back and forth. Both can use MPEG-4- E* is just a bit ahead now. You can count on both being very close to each other in offerings. It's great that D* has the Sunday Ticket- they lose money on it, BIG TIME. It is a draw for making money elsewhere. Do they come out ahead? Well, how many quarters have they actually MADE money instead of losing it?

E* has more national HD. That's what counts the most. Some discount Voom. But many of us watch 2 or 3 of those channels regularly. Promises of future offerings don't count as much as actual current offerings. Both companies have been slow in delivering promises.

E* may be a bit shy in making public promises on HD or anything else- they've been burned on Dish Online and External USB Storage, etc etc. Maybe they'll be a bit slower to announce than D*, but not so slow to actually deliver.
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rocatman said:
A few comments to your assumptions/ideas. I think it would be a waste for Dish to only dedicate 5 TPs to E-11 for spotbeams since E-10 uses 10 TPs. The reuse capability goes way down with only 5 TPs to work with. Dish should move the 3 TPs worth of national HD off of 110 W to 61.5/129 and move 3 TPs worth of SD programming from 119 to 110 so E-11 could use 8 TPs for spotbeams. This would give Dish significant capacity for HD locals.

The capacity at 61.5 W is the problem and the failures with E-3 makes it worse. Currently Dish uses 4 TPs for HD locals at 61.5 W but also has 3 TPs that it can't use because of E-3 failures. There is probably room to free up another 3 TPs and maybe more if Dish gets FCC approval for regular use of TPs 23 and 24 and some of the internationals could also be moved to 118.7 or 121. Dish does need another satellite at 61.5 W and E-6 is just sitting there as an in-orbit spare at 110 W.
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What makes it worse is 129W is not even their slot!
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cebbigh said:
Does this all add up to a bunch more capacity? Is DTV really going to be that far ahead or are they just marketing it that way?

With what sounds like a big success with MPEG4 yesterday Dish should be poised to start a big increase in HD offerings based on capacity. Someone needs to nudge Charlie .... :hungry:
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Well let's see SW1&2 have already been launched and operational.D9s is up and
operational.D10&D11 needs to be launched and operational.Yea they just might be
marketing it that way.:)

P.S. Oh And I forgot D12 which is a standby backup.:)
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Apple Appears to be Down

Hmmm, Apple iCloud appears to be missing from the Internet. Attempting to connect yields:
1794355836427.webp
Plus, lots of prompts to enter my iCloud credentials.
1794356039809.webp​
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Bruce
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How things have changed

I was reading this article

thehill.com

Cable TV ‘cord-cutters’ became the majority in 2022

The steady decline of cable and broadcast television, and the rise of streaming services, reached a sort of inflection point over the past year. Last summer, for the first time, streaming ser…
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That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.

Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
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Bruce said:
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
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That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.
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Jimbo said:
That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.
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Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?
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AZ.
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Bruce said:
Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?
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Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need a old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.
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AZ. said:
Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need an old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.
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But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
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Bruce said:
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
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Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.
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Bobby said:
Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.
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Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.
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TRG
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Bruce said:
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
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People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish :biggrin
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AZ. said:
Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.
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Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
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TRG said:
People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish :biggrin
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Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...
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Bruce said:
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
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Quick Question, WITHOUT Looking it up ...
Who played in the World Series last year ?
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Bruce said:
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
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True, but you had 2 Large Markets in it .
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Jimbo said:
Quick Question, WITHOUT Looking it up ...
Who played in the World Series last year ?
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Two MLB teams.
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Bruce said:
Two MLB teams.
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Now, having low numbers this past year doesn't surprise me at all, you had 2 teams that don't like to spend tons of money and they are not your Large markets.
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Jimbo said:
Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...
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I thought you might like that. :biggrin
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Bruce said:
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
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I guess they should figure that out ... maybe not offer as much if they can't afford it next time.
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Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
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Today is the anniversary of Dan Wheldon's passing at Las Vegas in a dreadful crash that luckily didn't take more drivers' lives. I vaguely remember the crash, but I more strongly remember Paul Tracy trying to keep it together as he left the Medical Center knowing that Dan most likely wasn't going to.

The safety in these vehicles is beyond incomprehensible, especially relative to what it was 60 years ago, when dying wasn't unexpected. But it is still very dangerous. I always scoff at the prayer invocations, but never scoff at the risks these drivers take and the emergency workers out there who might need to pull short of a miracle to save a driver's life.
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Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
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HBO Max has the live in car streaming without commercials, which provides an interesting take, but you are driving blind, knowing only what the team is telling the driver about what is happening on the track. The stages definitely ruin the NASCAR set up.
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NASCAR is an abject mess, but at least it has Kyle Larson. Guy had the lead on the green/white checker, fell back to 12th or the like, kept his cool, and charged back to win with room to spare at the line. And win very cleanly!

NASCAR needs to stop racing at Talladega. Especially if they are going for elderly Sunday drives at the track! Stage racing is real stupid, but NASCAR should consider one half point a second per group gap as a bonus.
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Congratulations to the youngest Formula 1 World Champion, 20-year old Kimi Antonelli! The podium at the Mexican Grand Prix featured three World Champions with 4-time World Champion Max Verstappen, 7-time World Champion Lewis Hamilton, and newly-crowned World Champion Kimi Antonelli. A dozen World Championships represented!
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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

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Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

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So in other words, corporate greed is more important than public safety. :mad:
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So in other words, corporate greed is more important than public safety. :mad:
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At least for a couple more years
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