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This is for installers (both E* and subs alike). I DO NOT want to start a bashing thread. I would just like to know the OPINIONS and EXPERIENCE of what you do and what you have seen with installations as it relates to system grounding.

In regards to system grounding, I have some questions...

1. How likely is it that a dish will be hit by an electrical surge, and thus transfer that energy to the receiver and render it inoperable?

2. The LNB is plastic, as is the Y or W adapter, so if the LNB were hit, wouldn't be where the hit would stop? I know that a lightening bolt, if it hit the dish / LNB directly, would probably blow it off the roof, side of the house, etc., and it would have to be replaced, and thus, would more than likely be the least of your worries.

I'm thinking that a grounding block is not going to arrest such a violent source of electrical energy.

3. If the dish were hit, and the LNB is plastic, how would the energy be transfered to the electronics?

4. I know that it is a requirement for a system to be grounded, but...

a. How many installers actually do what they are supposed to do and ground EACH AND EVERY SYSTEM, especially since most subs probably are paying for all of their own supplies and equipment?, and may not get reimbursed by your retailer.

b. What percentage of systems do you ground?

c. What is your criteria / rationale for NOT grounding a system if you don't?

5. Isn't it most likely for a system to be hit with a surge through the phone line, rather than the coax? or the power cord (being that it has it's own grounding terminal)?

I've read about static buildup, and this is more likely the reason why the system is to be grounded, rather than lightening as the rationale. Is the static buildup really that intense?

6. What percentage of receivers, that you've had to replace, if any, would you say are a result of 'failure to ground'?

7. If you are a sub, what does your retailer say about this issue? Are you penalized in any way for 'failure to ground'?

What other regarding this subject can you shed light on? Is it REALLY that CRITICAL?

It is not always that the dish is the highest point of the structure. Sometimes they are in the ground on a pole, the side of the house, low on the roof, etc.

PLEASE, don't bash me or each other. I just have some questions and would like to know what you think / do, etc.

Thanks.
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navychop
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KE4EST
I have seen more systems that are grounded hit more than ungrounded ones. However we got to ground to cover our ass.
J
is grounding going to save a dish or your system if it gets a direct hit.... no way. There is way more energy travelling down that little bitty ground wire than it is going to take.
The biggest reason for grounding (in my opinion) is static discharge. With wind whipping over the dish and lnb all the time static can build up on the line, and if static builds up too much, it can cause the receiver to lock up, ect.
Thats why one of the first things you do when trouble shooting a system that is acting funny, locking up ect... is to unplug the receiver for a few minutes and let it discharge, then plug it back in.

Also, as an installer I grounded whenever possible when doing Dish and Directv, sometimes it's just not possible...
With Wildblue... if it can't be grounded... it doesn't get installed

this is just my opinion
ZandarKoad
E* requires all of it's employees to ground each and every install without exception. E* knows that apartment installs almost never have acceptable grounding locations and that apartments are a large part of it's market. So E* sends all appartment installs to subcontractors then they never QC those appartment installs.

I've never had a system fail to operate due to lack of a ground. I HAVE had several systems fail to operate BECAUSE it was properly grounded (most likely due to a faulty main electrical ground... with residual current, etc).

Grounding has little or nothing to do IMHO with how well your system operates. It entirely a liability issue. Some say grounding INCREASES lightning strikes... but the guy who writes the checks says GROUND THE SYSTEM. So we GROUND it.
daboogas94e
that is correct, DNS tech's are REQUIRED to ground no matter what. which is kinda odd at times because some places i've been to have nowhere to ground to. but i make do and do what i can. grounding has no effect on how the system performs just as "safety" precaution.
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Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
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Today is the anniversary of Dan Wheldon's passing at Las Vegas in a dreadful crash that luckily didn't take more drivers' lives. I vaguely remember the crash, but I more strongly remember Paul Tracy trying to keep it together as he left the Medical Center knowing that Dan most likely wasn't going to.

The safety in these vehicles is beyond incomprehensible, especially relative to what it was 60 years ago, when dying wasn't unexpected. But it is still very dangerous. I always scoff at the prayer invocations, but never scoff at the risks these drivers take and the emergency workers out there who might need to pull short of a miracle to save a driver's life.
Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
HBO Max has the live in car streaming without commercials, which provides an interesting take, but you are driving blind, knowing only what the team is telling the driver about what is happening on the track. The stages definitely ruin the NASCAR set up.
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NASCAR is an abject mess, but at least it has Kyle Larson. Guy had the lead on the green/white checker, fell back to 12th or the like, kept his cool, and charged back to win with room to spare at the line. And win very cleanly!

NASCAR needs to stop racing at Talladega. Especially if they are going for elderly Sunday drives at the track! Stage racing is real stupid, but NASCAR should consider one half point a second per group gap as a bonus.
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Congratulations to the youngest Formula 1 World Champion, 20-year old Kimi Antonelli! The podium at the Mexican Grand Prix featured three World Champions with 4-time World Champion Max Verstappen, 7-time World Champion Lewis Hamilton, and newly-crowned World Champion Kimi Antonelli. A dozen World Championships represented!
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Well, ATSC 3 is a flop
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So in other words, corporate greed is more important than public safety. :mad:
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So in other words, corporate greed is more important than public safety. :mad:
At least for a couple more years
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A new exclusive FAST channel called "DIRECTV Sportside" is testing
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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Honestly, I would rather see an expanded bracketed playoff system than the current Conference Championship Game + playoff model we're using right now. The Conference Championships essentially allow two teams to beat up on each other, and then both typically are going to end up in the playoffs anyway unless it is one of the weaker or smaller conferences. Let them play it out on the field against others.
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Honestly, I would rather see an expanded bracketed playoff system than the current Conference Championship Game + playoff model we're using right now. The Conference Championships essentially allow two teams to beat up on each other, and then both typically are going to end up in the playoffs anyway unless it is one of the weaker or smaller conferences. Let them play it out on the field against others.
Until the Big Ten changed thier alignment, (a couple years ago) ... it was not like that at all, the East side won most years the west side represented the Big Ten, but they may have been the team with the 4th best record ...
They finally changed that, to a single conference ... but yes, in most cases, both teams will get in ... now, its a certain both will get in ...

The biggest issue with the Conference Now is the Number of TEAMS .... WAY to Many.
It would take 2-3 YEARS to do a round robin where everyone would play one another ... How do you know how good a team is when teams don't play the same teams ?
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They finally changed that, to a single conference ... but yes, in most cases, both teams will get in ... now, its a certain both will get in ...

Surprised you haven't made this claim yet.


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I like the move to campus sites for the early games. That adds a fun new dimension for fans, and cuts down on some of the travel expenses that would come with having to follow a team all the way through the playoffs at neutral sites.
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I like the move to campus sites for the early games. That adds a fun new dimension for fans, and cuts down on some of the travel expenses that would come with having to follow a team all the way through the playoffs at neutral sites.
Agree ... they started doing that a few years ago.
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That'd be more than the FA Cup! Over 700 teams. It is also the most glorious tournament in the world.

Maybe it is time to get rid of the College Football season and just go to a tournament. 128 teams, fill in the bottom end with the lower division. Random draw (except the top 10 teams are in one bucket to draw from in the first and second rounds to avoid OSU v Alabama in the first round), go from 128 to 8. 4 games. Then the 8 remaining teams play 7 games against each other. Then the top two play for the title.