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HDwonderer
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Should I stay with E* hd or move to D*

I have come to a cross road AGAIN! After moving from Voom at E* so I could still maintain my HD programing I now have to make a new decision. As we know D* is moving forward with their new sats and HD programing this year. If they go though with all their moves as planed D* is going to BLOW E* out of the water. If I upgrade to the 622DVR receivers with E* I will need to commit to a new 18m contract.

My question is will E* add many HD's this year or next. Unless I missed it I see no new sats going up which keeps E*'s bandwith limited.

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Peter Parker
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I don't think that anyone can give youa good answer. D* has announced a very ambitious rollout but we have no idea if they can deliver or what E* will do in response.


but why do it now when the new channels on D* are months away? I would wait and enjoy what E* has now and then when you know what the alternative is decide then.
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Dish VIP
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If you were USA network would you sign with Echostar? 1 bird going up this year and no backup except what is up there already. Not to mention a long track record of Charlie fighting with providers and breaking the law.

Or would you sign with DirecTV? 2 birds going up and a terrestial backup as well as up there.

Some say "They can't broadcast them if they are not available in HD" On the flip side one could say "they will be available in HD when someone can broadcast them."
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Geronimo said:
I don't think that anyone can give youa good answer. D* has announced a very ambitious rollout but we have no idea if they can deliver or what E* will do in response.


but why do it now when the new channels on D* are months away? I would wait and enjoy what E* has now and then when you know what the alternative is decide then.
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MikeD-C05
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Someone in another thread suggested that there won't be real hd channels added on Directv but upconverted channels, that will look much better but not true hd. In this way they would be holding a place for a channel that really wants to go full hd in the future. I have often wondered why Dish couldn't do something similiar in MPeg 4 . Maybe the mpeg 4 encoders will be much improved by years end which will allow more channels in the same bandwith . Dish also has lease deals for satellite useage. They have more sat slots sowed up to in the same space up there for all kinds of new sats not launched yet. I have confidence that Dish will keep up and even exceed on national hd channels -the rsns and the locals will probably take longer to keep up with Directv. I feel this will all happen unless the buyout by ATT or another company happens. Either way I would stay where you are till you see Directv do ANYTHING that they have been promising for the last 3 years. I will believe it when I see it.

2007 is going to be a very interesting year for Satellite tv: both DISH and DIRECTV.
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And again, there are not 40 new channels of HD available or available soon. D** has to be referring to HD locals because not that many channels have announced plans to go HD in next 12 months. Maybe 5, not 40.
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If you were USA network would you sign with Echostar? 1 bird going up this year and no backup except what is up there already. Not to mention a long track record of Charlie fighting with providers and breaking the law.
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If you were a niche (HDTV channels are still niche) cable network, would you limit the exposure of your channel to the viewers of one MSO, or would you want to ensure that you get the most viewers you can? If I were USA Network HD, I would sign with D*, E*, C*, and any other MSO that wants to pay my carriage fee to show my channel to their viewers.

It is no concern of the network what happens with E*'s satellite assets.
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sprintcarcrazy said:
And again, there are not 40 new channels of HD available or available soon. D** has to be referring to HD locals because not that many channels have announced plans to go HD in next 12 months. Maybe 5, not 40.
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From looking at Lyngsat I see:

Showtime-HD West
Start-HD West
HBO-HD West
Cinemax-HD East
Cinemax-HD West
A&E HD East
History Channel East
Lifetime Movie Network East
The Movie Channel East
MHD
Outdoor Channel 2 HD

These are channels that D* and E* are not carrying at the moment, yea some are west coast feeds but I'm sure the left coast folks would like to have them.

Then if you believe the D* PR they say they have agreements with Bravo, Sci-Fi, CNN, The Weather Channel, Speed, TBS and USA Network for HD Channels.
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Bruce
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How things have changed

I was reading this article

thehill.com

Cable TV ‘cord-cutters’ became the majority in 2022

The steady decline of cable and broadcast television, and the rise of streaming services, reached a sort of inflection point over the past year. Last summer, for the first time, streaming ser…
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Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.

Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
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Bruce said:
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
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That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.
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Jimbo said:
That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.
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Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?
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Bruce said:
Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?
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Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need a old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.
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AZ. said:
Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need an old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.
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But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
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Bruce said:
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
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Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.
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Bobby said:
Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.
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Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.
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Bruce said:
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
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People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish :biggrin
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AZ. said:
Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.
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Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
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TRG said:
People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish :biggrin
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Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...
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Bruce said:
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
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Quick Question, WITHOUT Looking it up ...
Who played in the World Series last year ?
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Jimbo
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Bruce said:
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
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True, but you had 2 Large Markets in it .
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Jimbo said:
Quick Question, WITHOUT Looking it up ...
Who played in the World Series last year ?
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Two MLB teams.
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Bruce said:
Two MLB teams.
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Now, having low numbers this past year doesn't surprise me at all, you had 2 teams that don't like to spend tons of money and they are not your Large markets.
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Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...
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I thought you might like that. :biggrin
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Bruce said:
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
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I guess they should figure that out ... maybe not offer as much if they can't afford it next time.
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Auto Racing 2026

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Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
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Today is the anniversary of Dan Wheldon's passing at Las Vegas in a dreadful crash that luckily didn't take more drivers' lives. I vaguely remember the crash, but I more strongly remember Paul Tracy trying to keep it together as he left the Medical Center knowing that Dan most likely wasn't going to.

The safety in these vehicles is beyond incomprehensible, especially relative to what it was 60 years ago, when dying wasn't unexpected. But it is still very dangerous. I always scoff at the prayer invocations, but never scoff at the risks these drivers take and the emergency workers out there who might need to pull short of a miracle to save a driver's life.
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Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
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HBO Max has the live in car streaming without commercials, which provides an interesting take, but you are driving blind, knowing only what the team is telling the driver about what is happening on the track. The stages definitely ruin the NASCAR set up.
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NASCAR is an abject mess, but at least it has Kyle Larson. Guy had the lead on the green/white checker, fell back to 12th or the like, kept his cool, and charged back to win with room to spare at the line. And win very cleanly!

NASCAR needs to stop racing at Talladega. Especially if they are going for elderly Sunday drives at the track! Stage racing is real stupid, but NASCAR should consider one half point a second per group gap as a bonus.
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Congratulations to the youngest Formula 1 World Champion, 20-year old Kimi Antonelli! The podium at the Mexican Grand Prix featured three World Champions with 4-time World Champion Max Verstappen, 7-time World Champion Lewis Hamilton, and newly-crowned World Champion Kimi Antonelli. A dozen World Championships represented!
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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

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Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


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An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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So in other words, corporate greed is more important than public safety. :mad:
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So in other words, corporate greed is more important than public safety. :mad:
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At least for a couple more years
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FAST Channels added to DIRECTV Stream/Internet

DIRECTV Stream/Internet added Ch 4105 SportsGrid
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Game Show Central is now live on channel 4342
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It only took them 41 days to announce it
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