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I recently signed up with DirecTV before I really know about DISH and I am now in a 2 year contract. Now I see DISH is far cheaper and their receivers/DVR is far superior than DirecTV's. Does anyone know if DirecTV has any plans to upgrade their equipment to stay competitive with DISH in the future or am I just out of luck?

If anyone can tell me any benefit DirecTV has over DISH to make me feel better about my situation I would appreciate it. I will not be purchasing any sports packages or HD channels anytime soon. At least tell me if they have any future plans for improvement. Updating the DVR and GUI in their R15 for example.
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At one point there were things that attracted me to DISH more than DTV. In my middle-of-nowhere existence cable was OK, but I needed something more. At first DISH seemed to be the way. I figured I would pick up some Distant Networks (DNS) and Superstations(SS) for more local programming and sports from different areas. DISH had DNS from Atlanta, Chicago, Denver, New York, and Los Angeles where DTV only had NY and LA. DISH had 5 different SS from I think NY, LA, Boston, and Denver carrying at the time WB and UPN, now CW and MyN. DTV did not offer SS packages. DISH had Sirius radio and DTV had XM....I preferred Sirius. DISH includes a few non-commercial movie channels in the top 180 package where DTV doesn't have any unless you subscribe to a movie package. Finally, DISH had more HD channels than DTV.

Now that is all the good I could find from DISH over DTV. There have since been some things that make me glad I picked DTV instead of DISH. Here is why:

1) DISH has more fees and charges that are unneccessary in my opinion like charging extra for a receiver to NOT be connected to a phone line.

2) DISH seems to have issues with channels coming up missing due to incomplete contract negotiations. In the last few years there have been Court TV and Lifetime (I think). There was also a thing where a group of channels disappeared for a time from DISH due to contract issues.

3) There is talk about many HD channels being added to DTV when the new satellites are launched. I do not know of any details which networks will become HD, but it should be considered.

4) Exlusivity sucks when it comes to paying the piper and in the end it is the consumer who pays. DISH cannot claim exclusivity for any sports packages where DTV can with 2 or 3 sports. That means DTV can attract more customers just by the sports offerings. So if you ever decide a sports package is for you then having DTV makes it as easy as calling to set it up.

5) DISH seems to have issues with following programming guidelines. Remember how DISH had 5 cities to choose from for DNS??? Now they have none. There is a company that provides San Francisco and Atlanta DNS for DISH customers since DISH couldn't follow guidelines. They do work with DISH's equipment just fine, but require a separate bill from that of DISH. DTV follow guidelines for the most part so they can still supply you with DNS where eligible from NY and LA.

6) I have had DTV for almost a year now. I think I lost signal 3 times for about 10 minutes a shot. There was a thick thunderstorm cloud each time. Cable outtages seemed to be a norm. I cannot comment on DISH's signal quality.

At one time I thought DISH may have been the way to go. Even after the research on both DISH and DTV I thought DISH looked a little better. After seeing the stupid things happening to DISH and the future of DTV I am glad that I went with DTV.
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At one point there were things that attracted me to DISH more than DTV. In my middle-of-nowhere existence cable was OK, but I needed something more. At first DISH seemed to be the way. I figured I would pick up some Distant Networks (DNS) and Superstations(SS) for more local programming and sports from different areas. DISH had DNS from Atlanta, Chicago, Denver, New York, and Los Angeles where DTV only had NY and LA. DISH had 5 different SS from I think NY, LA, Boston, and Denver carrying at the time WB and UPN, now CW and MyN. DTV did not offer SS packages. DISH had Sirius radio and DTV had XM....I preferred Sirius. DISH includes a few non-commercial movie channels in the top 180 package where DTV doesn't have any unless you subscribe to a movie package. Finally, DISH had more HD channels than DTV.

I have had E* for 8 years and am having D* installed tomorrow and will drop E*. I will miss the Superstations, Sirius and the extra HD. I already have XM in my home but have trouble with the signal for Sirius so having it on E* has been great. I am hoping D* comes up with the new HD channels soon. :(

Now that is all the good I could find from DISH over DTV. There have since been some things that make me glad I picked DTV instead of DISH. Here is why:

1) DISH has more fees and charges that are unneccessary in my opinion like charging extra for a receiver to NOT be connected to a phone line.

This is true. They are also hitting their top tier customers with a big jump. If I stayed with E* it would cost me $13 more a month. :mad:

2) DISH seems to have issues with channels coming up missing due to incomplete contract negotiations. In the last few years there have been Court TV and Lifetime (I think). There was also a thing where a group of channels disappeared for a time from DISH due to contract issues.

They have had trouble with the Viacom stations, Lifetime and Court TV in recent years. There seems to be some issue now with Cinemax/HBO. :confused:

3) There is talk about many HD channels being added to DTV when the new satellites are launched. I do not know of any details which networks will become HD, but it should be considered.

I hope we see some soon.

4) Exlusivity sucks when it comes to paying the piper and in the end it is the consumer who pays. DISH cannot claim exclusivity for any sports packages where DTV can with 2 or 3 sports. That means DTV can attract more customers just by the sports offerings. So if you ever decide a sports package is for you then having DTV makes it as easy as calling to set it up.

This is the main reason I am switching with MLB going to D*. I don't like this at all and hurts not just E* subsribers, but those that can't get satellite. !sadroll

5) DISH seems to have issues with following programming guidelines. Remember how DISH had 5 cities to choose from for DNS??? Now they have none. There is a company that provides San Francisco and Atlanta DNS for DISH customers since DISH couldn't follow guidelines. They do work with DISH's equipment just fine, but require a separate bill from that of DISH. DTV follow guidelines for the most part so they can still supply you with DNS where eligible from NY and LA.

This is not always bad. E* pushed this too far and it bit them. E* has tried to push for some things that help the consumer.

6) I have had DTV for almost a year now. I think I lost signal 3 times for about 10 minutes a shot. There was a thick thunderstorm cloud each time. Cable outtages seemed to be a norm. I cannot comment on DISH's signal quality.

My experience with E* is similar to what you have had with D*.

At one time I thought DISH may have been the way to go. Even after the research on both DISH and DTV I thought DISH looked a little better. After seeing the stupid things happening to DISH and the future of DTV I am glad that I went with DTV.


I hope I have made the right decision to switch. I am not thrilled with being required to have a 2 year commitment. A lot can happen in 2 years.
Jimbo
I hope I have made the right decision to switch. I am not thrilled with being required to have a 2 year commitment. A lot can happen in 2 years.

Well then you can be happy that you are leasing receivers then, because it would be easier to upgrade a receiver by just calling and they will send one out to you, you don't have to buy it and then sit it in your closet when you move on to another newer unit.
I must have a dozen receivers collecting dust that I paid for.

Jimbo
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Thanks everyone. That makes me feel a lot better about going with DTV. I do wish DTV was not going up on their rates next month (I think they are expensive enough), and I wish they would get digital local channels in my area like DISH has. Currently I have two dishes on my roof. One that is fairly low quality (not as bad as cable) local channels, and the other is fantastic quality network channels. There is a big difference in the two.

I pay $61 ($-5 for the first 12 months) for the cheapest package 'Total Choice' with DVR and 1 extra receiver. That is $13 more than cable ($48 for extended cable) in this area on unlimited TVs, but without the DVR service. Of coarse the picture quality is a lot better with DTV. Now I will be paying $64 once DTV raises their rates next month which will put DTV $16 more than cable. I would have actually saved money with DISH Network. I guess you get what you pay for.

All in all I am fairly happy. There is no "good deal" when it comes to cable. No matter who you go though, Comcast, DTV, or DISH it is all very expensive.
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Tell the true, Dish receiver does has its problem, when I was worked with dish installer, encountered so much problems on their DVR and at least 1/3 will require return call, its not on installation but for the DVR as main problem.
wneilson82
I am a little surprised that reading multiple HDTV boards....there are quite a few that have said they WILL be switching to D* for MLB.....

I knew some would do it but the amount of a little surprisingq
patmurphey
Dish does not "charge" an additional $5 for not connecting a phone line. They have a $5 per receiver fee. If, instead of 2 receivers, you use one of their dual tuner receivers (still supporting 2 independent TV's), they'll waive the second $5 fee in exchange for making it more convenient to order PPV via telephone connection. The $5 difference is there - don't misrepresent it.

Pat
Ramy
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Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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Best fan sign I saw during the ND-BYU game: "Bear ate your Lucky Charms!" (Bear being the Cougars' QB). I was going to suggest, "Have you or your team been involved in a Carr crash?"
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They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.😈. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!
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They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.😈. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!
Yup, I agree, I'd rather be 2 or 3 till the last few weeks.
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
After having experienced Gus Ferguson trying to call soccer games, I'm uncertain why NFL football analysts get hate. Even the "worst" of them are pretty good.
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Jalen Hurts out indefinitely as they treat and monitor a superficial blood clot in his leg.


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Browns lead the AFC North 🤣

Seth Meyers What GIF by Late Night with Seth Meyers
Foxbat
I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
No idea what improvements might be involved.
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Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.
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Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"
Here's the one I need:
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dishstaller
Here's the one I need:
Just ordered one....that's great.
jsmit86
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
long_time_Dish
They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin
Almighty1
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.
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it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

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SuperDish_Fan23
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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HipKat
I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.
AZ.
AZ.
Well if it is because of reliability that wouldnt shock me.I went through 5 or 6 of them in little over 2 years. I loved the Sling when it worked! Saved lots of money having it in the day. That was probably 15 or 16 years ago?
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I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.
I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.
Nominal
I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.
You are thinking of the 921. The 922 was the first DVR with Sling functionality built in (that was eventually disabled along with the Sling Adapter for the 722s and the 1st Hopper because they relied on now-defunct Adobe Flash technology). With the bugginess described by others and the removal of its marquee feature (Sling) the 922 faded into obscurity once the Hopper 2 with built in Sling was released and they finally made the concept into a fully functional product.
dishdude
I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.
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Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Take It To The Limit - The Eagles
harshness
Take It To The Limit - The Eagles
The two instances of "The" should have been highlighted.

Take
Me to the River - Talking Heads
dishstaller
Blinded By The Light - Manfred Mann's Earth Band
Bobby
I Saw The Light - Todd Rundgren
long_time_Dish
Little Bit Of Light - Strange Weather
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A Little Bit of Soap -- The Jarmels
dfergie
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Last reply · posted in What's Cooking?
We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so... :)
Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...
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TRG
Two Chicago style hot dogs and a Fanta orange soda.
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Little mini pepperoni pizza, green beans, apples and chocolate milk.
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Fanta orange soda.
Sitting in fridge cooling off, bought 1 along with 2 Mexican Cokes at La Tienda... (I keep a few cokes stashed as well as in fridge and camper fridge)
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Garlic cheese bread
Green beans
Apples
Chocolate Milk
Some weird noodles. ;)
(They have salad and a couple other fruits if wanted)
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TRG
Club sandwich and corn chowder. Iced tea.
dfergie
Chili dog bowl, water… (homemade chili)
dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in TV Shows
Stargate SG-1 cancelled, Atlantis renewed
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Monday - August 21, 2006 | by Darren Sumner
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The future of Stargate is in question today, as SCI FI Channel has cancelled the long-running Stargate SG-1, Multichannel News reported today and a GateWorld source has confirmed. The news regrettably follows the airing of the show's milestone two-hundredth episode on Friday.

Stargate Atlantis, meanwhile, has been renewed for a fourth season, with the network hoping to see that the spin-off series can stand alone, according to a source.
Source Gateworld
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dfergie
The Tokra pt 1, I know pt 2 will be next...
(came across on Pluto tv live, went to media server for "clean" version)
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I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?
osu1991
long_time_Dish
I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?
Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.
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Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.
Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.