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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Loophole? (DISHOnline bandwith question)

I saw an earlier post about DISHOnline affecting maximum limits that may be imposed by an ISP. This got my attention, so I checked with my cable ISP, both by talking to CSR as well as reading the Terms of Use, User Agreement, and Acceptable Use Policy. Both the CSR and my research indicated that I have no maximum upload/download/throughput limits, which is good obviously.

However, I found this little ditty buried in the EAP.

Prohibited uses include using the service to: (viii) restrict, inhibit, interfere with or otherwise disrupt or cause a performance degradation or manipulation, regardless of intent, purpose or knowledge, to the Service or any Insight (or Insight supplier) host, server, backbone network, node or service, or otherwise cause a performance degradation or manipulation to any Insight (or Insight supplier) facilities used to deliver the Service;
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Now I am assuming this is standard boilerplate language in everyone's ISP agreement. The question is:

Does anyone have a sense of if this provision is often used by ISPs to prohibit VOD or other things DISHOnline is expected to offer? I know they probably wouldn't come back to me and say I am downloading too much info. But I can see them telling me that my DISHOnline downloads are slowing the system down.

I don't know if the intent of this provision was written primarily for nailing people for doing Denial of Service attacks or not. But I don't know how one could rebut that they are not the cause of ISP performance degredation. I guess, theoretically, anything I do (such as posting this message) uses up ISP resources. And on some rediculously minute level, degrades the service. In a sense, everyone is in violation of this provision everytime they use Internet. One is just simply at the mercy of the ISP if they plop this language on you.

Any thoughts? or Am I just being paraniod and over analyzing this too much?
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Hall
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You know what would happen if someone was told the limit ?? First, they'd announce it at DSL Reports for every customer of that ISP to know. Second, they'd install a bandwidth monitor and they'd go full-bore right up to that limit..... Problem for them is it would suck if they reached it in the 1st week of a month ! :D They'd have (3) more weeks to go.

It's the ISP's network and their rules. I'm a customer just like everyone else, but I respect their property and their rules. Given the choice between following their rules and no service, me, I'll follow their rules....
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Heavie
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I think it will be hard for a ISP to cap as far as data input and output. All the online gaming, downloading VOD movies and internet tv.


If ever got a notice on limited usage. I would cancel my service, because it will be on my mind every month, how far I am from the limit. I hate to be monitored and I hate to monitor myself, if I am paying good money.
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Heavie said:
I think it will be hard for a ISP to cap as far as data input and output.
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Hard to do ?? Many ISPs already do it.....
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My ISP actually published the cap limits but, strangely enough, now that the limits are published they do not cap any longer.

It's not that hard to figure them out though, set up a P2P program that gives you a graphic representation of your online activity and run it for a few days. Pull up the graph and it should be rather obvious what your limits are, or at least what you are going to get throttled to when you are throttled. Usually they have a certain amount of data upload/download within a certain period that triggers the capping.

I know that when I was researching this a couple of years ago I found that some ISP's were keeping people capped permanently until they called. Is this still going on?
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andrews777
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The company I mentioned wasn't throttling. They were just threatening the user.

It's like saying, "Don't step across the line," but then not telling the person where the line is. :)

Brad
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Apple Appears to be Down

Hmmm, Apple iCloud appears to be missing from the Internet. Attempting to connect yields:
1794355836427.webp
Plus, lots of prompts to enter my iCloud credentials.
1794356039809.webp​
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Bruce
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Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

How things have changed

I was reading this article

thehill.com

Cable TV ‘cord-cutters’ became the majority in 2022

The steady decline of cable and broadcast television, and the rise of streaming services, reached a sort of inflection point over the past year. Last summer, for the first time, streaming ser…
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That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.

Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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Bruce
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According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
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Bruce said:
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
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That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.
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Jimbo said:
That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.
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Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?
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AZ.
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Bruce said:
Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?
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Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need a old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.
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AZ. said:
Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need an old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.
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But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
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Bobby
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Bruce said:
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
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Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.
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Bobby said:
Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.
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Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.
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TRG
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Bruce said:
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
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People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish :biggrin
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AZ. said:
Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.
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Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
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TRG said:
People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish :biggrin
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Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...
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Bruce said:
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
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Quick Question, WITHOUT Looking it up ...
Who played in the World Series last year ?
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Jimbo
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Bruce said:
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
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True, but you had 2 Large Markets in it .
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Jimbo said:
Quick Question, WITHOUT Looking it up ...
Who played in the World Series last year ?
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Two MLB teams.
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Jimbo
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Bruce said:
Two MLB teams.
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Now, having low numbers this past year doesn't surprise me at all, you had 2 teams that don't like to spend tons of money and they are not your Large markets.
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Jimbo said:
Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...
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I thought you might like that. :biggrin
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Jimbo
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Bruce said:
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
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I guess they should figure that out ... maybe not offer as much if they can't afford it next time.
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Auto Racing 2026

New thread or keep this one?

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Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
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Today is the anniversary of Dan Wheldon's passing at Las Vegas in a dreadful crash that luckily didn't take more drivers' lives. I vaguely remember the crash, but I more strongly remember Paul Tracy trying to keep it together as he left the Medical Center knowing that Dan most likely wasn't going to.

The safety in these vehicles is beyond incomprehensible, especially relative to what it was 60 years ago, when dying wasn't unexpected. But it is still very dangerous. I always scoff at the prayer invocations, but never scoff at the risks these drivers take and the emergency workers out there who might need to pull short of a miracle to save a driver's life.
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Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
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HBO Max has the live in car streaming without commercials, which provides an interesting take, but you are driving blind, knowing only what the team is telling the driver about what is happening on the track. The stages definitely ruin the NASCAR set up.
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NASCAR is an abject mess, but at least it has Kyle Larson. Guy had the lead on the green/white checker, fell back to 12th or the like, kept his cool, and charged back to win with room to spare at the line. And win very cleanly!

NASCAR needs to stop racing at Talladega. Especially if they are going for elderly Sunday drives at the track! Stage racing is real stupid, but NASCAR should consider one half point a second per group gap as a bonus.
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Congratulations to the youngest Formula 1 World Champion, 20-year old Kimi Antonelli! The podium at the Mexican Grand Prix featured three World Champions with 4-time World Champion Max Verstappen, 7-time World Champion Lewis Hamilton, and newly-crowned World Champion Kimi Antonelli. A dozen World Championships represented!
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Security Now 1104

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Domicile: Build a Linux Desktop with HTML, CSS & JavaScript #shorts

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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Don't Look Back - Boston
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Noob POV Build with Linus from LTT

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Jensen Huang, NVIDIA, and the Alleged Foreign Spy #shorts

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Broadcasters To Encrypt Emergency Messages with DRM..

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Well, ATSC 3 is a flop
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So in other words, corporate greed is more important than public safety. :mad:
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So in other words, corporate greed is more important than public safety. :mad:
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At least for a couple more years
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MacBreak Weekly 1050

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