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Does anyone know the status of the case about the guy suing E* on HD Lite?
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Drone35
This thread should be deleted, way off topic and Dish is not the one thats being sued for the HD lite, and false advertising. Maybe they should , but's thats for another topic! :D
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This thread should be deleted, way off topic and Dish is not the one thats being sued for the HD lite, and false advertising. Maybe they should , but's thats for another topic! :D


Although I started this thread mistakenly thinking it was E*'s lawsuit; the fact remains that whatever the outcome of D*'s HD lawsuit, I think that it will effect E*, cable and everyone else. The standards for HD should be clear for John Q public. As it is now the vendor's and providers are blitzing the public with their confusing HD sales pitches.
JAG72
Although I started this thread mistakenly thinking it was E*'s lawsuit; the fact remains that whatever the outcome of D*'s HD lawsuit, I think that it will effect E*, cable and everyone else. The standards for HD should be clear for John Q public. As it is now the vendor's and providers are blitzing the public with their confusing HD sales pitches.

The majority of the public does not care what the standard is. They only care that their picture looks good. If it looks good to them at 1440x1080 then the majaority will be fine with that.
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The majority of the public does not care what the standard is. They only care that their picture looks good. If it looks good to them at 1440x1080 then the majaority will be fine with that.


I do not think that they don't care; it's that they don't know any better.

I agree that if they are getting a nice picture then they might think its HD because they purchased a HD television, and using composite connections.:)

But for us in the know, it would be nice to state that an apple is an apple and not an orange.

My two cents.
JAG72
So since you care so much do you protest by not buying their mislabeled product?
B
So since you care so much do you protest by not buying their mislabeled product?

No, I know I am getting HD lite, and I do not have a high end 1080P capable set, even if FULL HD was being broadcast, I would not be able to get it; but my next set I buy will have the capability, so when I purchased a Blue Ray or HD format player it will not be a problem. As far as E*, or D* HD lite offerings at that time frame, if that's all they have then I don't need them.

I believe in being an inform buyer and getting my money's worth.
ehren
The majority of the public does not care what the standard is. They only care that their picture looks good. If it looks good to them at 1440x1080 then the majaority will be fine with that.

The majority of the public looks at HDTV sets and wonders what is so great about HDTV, especially when non-HD images are being shown on all the sets, LIKE WHEN I WAS AT WALMART TODAY! MADE ME SICK!
SRW1000
I do not think that they don't care; it's that they don't know any better.
I agree.

When digital cameras first came out, the megapixel factor was just one of many specs, while the emphasis was on digital. Once the general public became aware of what megapixels represented, that became one of the most (if not THE most) selling feature.

The same thing will happen with HD. Numbers will be used to distinguish one product from from another. The difference between HD and digital cameras, is that resolution tops out at 1080x1920p, while there isn't any upper limit for cameras. So instead of a resolution war, I think we're likely to see market-enforced compliance.

Scott
JAG72
No, I know I am getting HD lite, and I do not have a high end 1080P capable set, even if FULL HD was being broadcast, I would not be able to get it...

FULL HD is not just 1080P. Why would you not be able to get full HD. HD is also 1280x720 (720P). I would have to think your set would be able to receive a full HD resolution.
foghorn2
I agree.

When digital cameras first came out, the megapixel factor was just one of many specs, while the emphasis was on digital. Once the general public became aware of what megapixels represented, that became one of the most (if not THE most) selling feature.

The same thing will happen with HD. Numbers will be used to distinguish one product from from another. The difference between HD and digital cameras, is that resolution tops out at 1080x1920p, while there isn't any upper limit for cameras. So instead of a resolution war, I think we're likely to see market-enforced compliance.

Scott

I've seen 3 MP cameras take better pictures than a 8MP. When most everyone has 1080p sets and Cable and Fiber providers provide 1080p and Dish has enough transponders, then you will see Dish do 1080p.

My guess is that no provider will give you full BR 1080p ever. The content providers won't want that and would rather you enjoy that on a protected purchased disk and HD player.

Figure it out.
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FULL HD is not just 1080P. Why would you not be able to get full HD. HD is also 1280x720 (720P). I would have to think your set would be able to receive a full HD resolution.

No JAG72, My present 4 year old HD set has only 480P and 1080I. It does not have the capability of 720P. I know that the term TRUE HD has no real definition, since standards for HD span several resolutions and because of this it becomes a "controversial" topic I guess it just separates the "Good", " Better" and "Best". So I want to go with 1080P.

720p is nice but you just cut your detail level down to 1/2 of what I will like it to be.

My goal is to get a 1080P set, with a HD-DVD or Blu-ray player. This way I will have a 1080P source. This translates into a sharper images and a higher level of detail. A 1080P set will scale up a 1080I picture to make it look better.
JAG72
The majority of the public looks at HDTV sets and wonders what is so great about HDTV, especially when non-HD images are being shown on all the sets, LIKE WHEN I WAS AT WALMART TODAY! MADE ME SICK!

I agree. Many stores do not due HD justice by showing a SD image on the HD sets they are trying to sell. The stores that I love are the ones that have an HD image on the most expensive set and a SD image on the lesser priced models.
JAG72
No JAG72, My present 4 year old HD set has only 480P and 1080I. It does not have the capability of 720P. I know that the term TRUE HD has no real definition, since standards for HD span several resolutions and because of this it becomes a "controversial" topic I guess it just separates the "Good", " Better" and "Best". So I want to go with 1080P.

720p is nice but you just cut your detail level down to 1/2 of what I will like it to be.

My goal is to get a 1080P set, with a HD-DVD or Blu-ray player. This way I will have a 1080P source. This translates into a sharper images and a higher level of detail. A 1080P set will scale up a 1080I picture to make it look better.

You say that people just don't understand but how can they understand when people call True HD 1080P. This makes them think that all he other sets are not really HD and they are. 90+% of the population can not tell the difference between 1080P and 720P. People should just be happy with anything broadcast in HD. I really can't see a time in the near future that anything besides HD-DVD and Blu-ray will be in 1080P.
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You say that people just don't understand but how can they understand when people call True HD 1080P. This makes them think that all he other sets are not really HD and they are. 90+% of the population can not tell the difference between 1080P and 720P. People should just be happy with anything broadcast in HD. I really can't see a time in the near future that anything besides HD-DVD and Blu-ray will be in 1080P.

I never said they don't understand. I stated that they just don't know.

The size of the set is also very important, (the size does matter :) ) 720P and 1080P will not be that much of a difference for the average viewer on a 34 to 42 inch set; but it would make a difference when you go 56 or 65 inches and up.

I agree with you on the future of 1080P, but at least if you get a 1080P set, you should be okay for the foreseeable future. It is better to down convert from your 1080P capable set to a 720P or 1080i line input.
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Hmmm, Apple iCloud appears to be missing from the Internet. Attempting to connect yields:
1794355836427.webp
Plus, lots of prompts to enter my iCloud credentials.
1794356039809.webp​
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K
I'm not seeing any issues.
Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Come A Little Bit Closer - Jay and the Americans
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Closer to You - Brandi Carlile
long_time_Dish
(They Long To Be) Close To You -The Carpenters
ClarkGable
You Light Up My Life - Debby Boone
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Little Bit Of Light - Strange Weather
ewindowman
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Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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ERSanders
The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!
navychop
So you have a MBA?
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The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!
I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS
dishdude
I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS

And Steve Jobs stole the mouse and GUI
ERSanders
The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!
Actually I survived despite them for 31 years and two expait assignments. But the quest for the current quarter's profits doomed long term vision, planning and actions.
S
I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS
He bought that for $50,000. What he bought was originally called QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System) from Seattle Computer Products which was designed to be similar to CP/M - an OS for the Intel 8080. Seems like a decent investment. ;-)

There have been claims that the original developer of QDOS stole CP/M code and according to legend there is some command that you can type into MS-DOS that makes it print the name of the developer of CP/M, thus proving theft, but no one seems to know what that command actually is. ;-)
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Bruce
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Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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In my area Cox (now Spectrum) has run everything underground instead of on poles.
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Jimbo
In my area Cox (now Spectrum) has run everything underground instead of on poles.
Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
Bobby
Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
In my local area all underground utilities are under the sidewalk. Of course from there, when entering your property, They are at least 18" in your dirt.
Jimbo
In my local area all underground utilities are under the sidewalk. Of course from there, when entering your property, They are at least 18" in your dirt.
I bet MOST of them are NOT 18", they may suppose to be, but I doubt they are .

Edison is definitely deep enough, but thats the only one ...
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Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
My fiber isp put everything in conduit, except for the drop line to the NID and it it buried 10 inches
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Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
My area is very rocky, so there will be no shovels into the lines. Most of the lines were bored and the one's not bored where dug at least 18" deep. Cox had flagged my yard for them to dig up. But the foreman of the crew said he was not going to tear up my grass. He ended up installing the cable across the street at a vacant lot instead and bored the street for my pedestal. The line from the pedestal to my house could be damaged being it is fairly shallow.
Jimbo
My fiber isp put everything in conduit, except for the drop line to the NID and it it buried 10 inches
Really, you Lucky Dog !

Do you Work for that ISP ? :biggrin
Bobby
I bet MOST of them are NOT 18", they may suppose to be, but I doubt they are .

Edison is definitely deep enough, but thats the only one ...
I did the underground trench utility designs for 9 years. Gas and electric were 24". Telephone and CATV were 18". These were for new construction. Add on construction could be anywhere. All of the utilities went from their terminal points to a common utility point on the house. They were in a single trench.
So, if theres a issue with any buried line, the sidewalk needs to be dug up as well ???
That sucks.
Sometimes…. electric and CATV are in conduit so replacement is pretty easy. Telephone, specifically Pacific Telephone, Pacific Bell, SBC, ATT are direct buried and use encap termination directly onto the feed cable. That is always a sidewalk digup.
Jimbo
I did the underground trench utility designs for 9 years. Gas and electric were 24". Telephone and CATV were 18". These were for new construction. Add on construction could be anywhere. All of the utilities went from their terminal points to a common utility point on the house. They were in a single trench.

Sometimes…. electric and CATV are in conduit so replacement is pretty easy. Telephone, specifically Pacific Telephone, Pacific Bell, SBC, ATT are direct buried and use encap termination directly onto the feed cable. That is always a sidewalk digup.
Ok, your talking in the right of way ...
I thought you were talking about from the ped to the houses.

Fortunately you don't usually get Cable cuts Under a sidewalk, usually its when a Construction crew us digging with major equipment.

The drops to the house are not going to be very deep, sometimes barely under the sod. 6" is a godsend.
osu1991
I'm fortunate to have 3 fiber providers now.

Cox and T mobile bored and put conduit in before pulling the fiber thru the easement in my neighborhood . Windstream Kinetic I can't remember if they pulled conduit first or not. I remember they didn't have a boring machine when they came thru my yard, they used that for the mainline crossing under the street but had a vibratory plow in my backyard. I remember seeing some blue conduit just don't remember where it was being used. Windstream barely put the fiber run from the pedestal to my house about 2 inches underground. Landscaper hit it while putting landscaping around the pedestal they added to my yard. I made sure they buried it at least 12 inches when they replaced it.

AEP/ PSO the electric company has their main distribution lines running on poles along the back of my property. Cox has their main distribution line hung on those poles before going underground through the neighborhood.

I'm in the middle of a damage claim and about to take them to court as insurance is trying to get out of it claiming the lines were too low. Had an oversized load get lost and try to turn around in an older neighborhood. Pulled down 5 blocks of fiber with separate fiber lines belonging to the city, Cox/Spectrum and ATT.
B
My area is very rocky, so there will be no shovels into the lines. Most of the lines were bored and the one's not bored where dug at least 18" deep. Cox had flagged my yard for them to dig up. But the foreman of the crew said he was not going to tear up my grass. He ended up installing the cable across the street at a vacant lot instead and bored the street for my pedestal. The line from the pedestal to my house could be damaged being it is fairly shallow.
No, but it is a coop. I am just a member and subscriber
Really, you Lucky Dog !

Do you Work for that ISP ? :biggrin
Bruce
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I was reading this article


That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.


Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
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According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.
Bruce
That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.
Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?
AZ.
AZ.
Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?
Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need a old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.
Bruce
Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need an old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
Bobby
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.
AZ.
AZ.
Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.
Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.
TRG
TRG
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.

People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish :biggrin
Bruce
Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
Jimbo
People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish :biggrin
Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...
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Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
Quick Question, WITHOUT Looking it up ...
Who played in the World Series last year ?
Jimbo
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
True, but you had 2 Large Markets in it .
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Quick Question, WITHOUT Looking it up ...
Who played in the World Series last year ?
Two MLB teams.
Jimbo
Two MLB teams.
Now, having low numbers this past year doesn't surprise me at all, you had 2 teams that don't like to spend tons of money and they are not your Large markets.
TRG
TRG
Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...
I thought you might like that. :biggrin
Jimbo
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
I guess they should figure that out ... maybe not offer as much if they can't afford it next time.
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Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
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Today is the anniversary of Dan Wheldon's passing at Las Vegas in a dreadful crash that luckily didn't take more drivers' lives. I vaguely remember the crash, but I more strongly remember Paul Tracy trying to keep it together as he left the Medical Center knowing that Dan most likely wasn't going to.

The safety in these vehicles is beyond incomprehensible, especially relative to what it was 60 years ago, when dying wasn't unexpected. But it is still very dangerous. I always scoff at the prayer invocations, but never scoff at the risks these drivers take and the emergency workers out there who might need to pull short of a miracle to save a driver's life.
Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
HBO Max has the live in car streaming without commercials, which provides an interesting take, but you are driving blind, knowing only what the team is telling the driver about what is happening on the track. The stages definitely ruin the NASCAR set up.
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NASCAR is an abject mess, but at least it has Kyle Larson. Guy had the lead on the green/white checker, fell back to 12th or the like, kept his cool, and charged back to win with room to spare at the line. And win very cleanly!

NASCAR needs to stop racing at Talladega. Especially if they are going for elderly Sunday drives at the track! Stage racing is real stupid, but NASCAR should consider one half point a second per group gap as a bonus.
Foxbat
Congratulations to the youngest Formula 1 World Champion, 20-year old Kimi Antonelli! The podium at the Mexican Grand Prix featured three World Champions with 4-time World Champion Max Verstappen, 7-time World Champion Lewis Hamilton, and newly-crowned World Champion Kimi Antonelli. A dozen World Championships represented!
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