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Pakbackr

Last reply Jan 30, 2007 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Making the Switch to E* - My First Cust Svc Exp

I have been a D* customer for about 10 years, but have finally made the decision to switch to E*, primarily because of their HD content advantage and their 622 HD DVR. Last night, I talked with E* cust svr to set up my install...after Feb 1st to take advantage of the free HD DVR deal. At first, rep asked if I wanted Sat, Feb 3rd as my install date, and I said yes. We proceeded with registration process, and she then started confirming my info. She said, "and you are scheduled for install this Sunday, Feb 4th." I said, "Wait...I thought we set it up for Sat, Feb 3rd". She said she did, but looks like someone else confirmed the date before she completed the reg process, so it pushed us to Sunday. I reluctantly agreed. After I got off the phone, my wife reminded me that Feb 4 is Super Bowl Sunday, and she said "Do you really want to take the risk of having something go wrong and not being able to see the Super Bowl". I decided she was right (aren't they always?) and I called E* back to reschedule. The new rep I got on the line, said "But our records show you as having a Sat install date". Good thing I called, or I could have been out all day Sat...then pissed on Sunday when they didn't show. I hope this is not a sign of things to come w/ E*. On a more positive note, I can't wait to make the switch.

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bderouen

Jan 30, 2007

Pakbackr said:
I have been a D* customer for about 10 years, but have finally made the decision to switch to E*, primarily because of their HD content advantage and their 622 HD DVR. Last night, I talked with E* cust svr to set up my install...after Feb 1st to take advantage of the free HD DVR deal. At first, rep asked if I wanted Sat, Feb 3rd as my install date, and I said yes. We proceeded with registration process, and she then started confirming my info. She said, "and you are scheduled for install this Sunday, Feb 4th." I said, "Wait...I thought we set it up for Sat, Feb 3rd". She said she did, but looks like someone else confirmed the date before she completed the reg process, so it pushed us to Sunday. I reluctantly agreed. After I got off the phone, my wife reminded me that Feb 4 is Super Bowl Sunday, and she said "Do you really want to take the risk of having something go wrong and not being able to see the Super Bowl". I decided she was right (aren't they always?) and I called E* back to reschedule. The new rep I got on the line, said "But our records show you as having a Sat install date". Good thing I called, or I could have been out all day Sat...then pissed on Sunday when they didn't show. I hope this is not a sign of things to come w/ E*. On a more positive note, I can't wait to make the switch.

Oh geez. I know i had some issues with dates when i first got set up with E*. I can tell you, from my expereince anyway, it does get better. But even with the confusion on my initial set up date, it was SOOOO much better than I had with D*. I had been a D* customer but had moved to a new house. D* took 3 weeks beofre they could give me an install date, and then when the date came around, the bum showed up at 9PM!!!! Then he started claiming No Line of Site. I got p**sed and called Dish and was set up in 3-4 days.

It's probably kind of late to suggest this, but I do kind of wished i had been in contact with a local retailer of dish. I am in contact with one now and have become his customer, but I found it easier to have a person local to talk to if I have any issues or questions.

But you're right...you'll love Dish, especially compared with Direct! I know I do!

Bruce

mecro

Jan 30, 2007

And just the opposite for me! My first D* install was relatively simple, two basic receivers (many years ago) and the installer even got into my crawl space (1 story ranch house) so that I didn't have any wires visible anywhere on my house.

E* was a different story, and a little more complicated. We upgraded to a split level house, and went for the 4 receiver (1HD, 1DVR, 1SD). I wanted the DVR unit an upper bedroom, and the TV2 output to a downstairs office.

First off, the guys were not very confident in their installation, and they fed me false information about my programming, and HD with the then current 811. Thanks to SatelliteGuys, I knew what I was doing. I showed them where I wanted my DVR, and I left them alone for about 20 minutes.

They mounted the dish behind my chimney on a very tall roof, and I was quite happy because it wasn't visible from any side of the house. My dream was crushed when I walked out front and saw that they had installed the DVR on the front outside wall of my house, and I now had a black dual coax cable running parallel along my white vinyl siding. Yes, that's right, they drilled a hole in my siding, instead of the other wall (corner room) which would have been invisible. I was pissed.

To this day, I love DISH's service, but my installation has scarred my house. I don't even know how to patch vinyl siding so that I could move the cable myself. Great service, scary installations...

minnow

Jan 30, 2007

There is no patching to vinyl siding. However if you've got any spare pieces or can take the damaged piece off and get to Lowe's or Home Depot they can probably match it up(especially if it's white). Replacing the damaged siding is pretty easy as each horizontal piece locks into the piece above and below it and then is nailed to the sheathing of the house. Just take claw hammer and insert between where the two pieces interlock and gently pry apart. A screwdriver will help in this endeavor. After you have the two pieces pried apart, remove the nails holding the damaged piece to the sheathing and remove. When replacing, snap in the bottom first, make sure the new piece in level and then nail to the sheathing, but not tightly as the siding needs to be able to move from temperature changes. Then snap the top of the new piece into the bottom of the piece above it and your done. Really pretty simple to do and any do-it-yourselfer can do this.

Bruce

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Traditional/Streaming Live TV Providers Losses, 3rd Quarter 2026 Edition

Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

Comcast Just Lost 274,000 TV Customers & 144,000 Internet Customers In Just Three Months | Cord Cutters News

Comcast Corporation reported its third-quarter 2026 results on October 22, showing continued erosion in its domestic residential broadband internet and video customer bases as competitive pressures intensified across the connectivity market. The company recorded a net loss of 144,000 domestic...

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reubenray

Yesterday at 1:09 PM

In my area Cox (now Spectrum) has run everything underground instead of on poles.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 5:19 PM

reubenray said:
In my area Cox (now Spectrum) has run everything underground instead of on poles.

Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden.

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Bobby

Yesterday at 6:25 PM

Jimbo said:
Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden.

In my local area all underground utilities are under the sidewalk. Of course from there, when entering your property, They are at least 18" in your dirt.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 7:25 PM

Bobby said:
In my local area all underground utilities are under the sidewalk. Of course from there, when entering your property, They are at least 18" in your dirt.

I bet MOST of them are NOT 18", they may suppose to be, but I doubt they are .

Edison is definitely deep enough, but thats the only one ...

brice52

Yesterday at 7:39 PM

Jimbo said:
Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden.

My fiber isp put everything in conduit, except for the drop line to the NID and it it buried 10 inches

reubenray

Yesterday at 7:41 PM

Jimbo said:
Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden.

My area is very rocky, so there will be no shovels into the lines. Most of the lines were bored and the one's not bored where dug at least 18" deep. Cox had flagged my yard for them to dig up. But the foreman of the crew said he was not going to tear up my grass. He ended up installing the cable across the street at a vacant lot instead and bored the street for my pedestal. The line from the pedestal to my house could be damaged being it is fairly shallow.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 7:42 PM

brice52 said:
My fiber isp put everything in conduit, except for the drop line to the NID and it it buried 10 inches

Really, you Lucky Dog !

Do you Work for that ISP ? :biggrin

Bobby

Yesterday at 8:49 PM

Jimbo said:
I bet MOST of them are NOT 18", they may suppose to be, but I doubt they are .

Edison is definitely deep enough, but thats the only one ...

I did the underground trench utility designs for 9 years. Gas and electric were 24". Telephone and CATV were 18". These were for new construction. Add on construction could be anywhere. All of the utilities went from their terminal points to a common utility point on the house. They were in a single trench.

Jimbo said:
So, if theres a issue with any buried line, the sidewalk needs to be dug up as well ???
That sucks.

Sometimes…. electric and CATV are in conduit so replacement is pretty easy. Telephone, specifically Pacific Telephone, Pacific Bell, SBC, ATT are direct buried and use encap termination directly onto the feed cable. That is always a sidewalk digup.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 10:20 PM

Bobby said:
I did the underground trench utility designs for 9 years. Gas and electric were 24". Telephone and CATV were 18". These were for new construction. Add on construction could be anywhere. All of the utilities went from their terminal points to a common utility point on the house. They were in a single trench.

Sometimes…. electric and CATV are in conduit so replacement is pretty easy. Telephone, specifically Pacific Telephone, Pacific Bell, SBC, ATT are direct buried and use encap termination directly onto the feed cable. That is always a sidewalk digup.

Ok, your talking in the right of way ...
I thought you were talking about from the ped to the houses.

Fortunately you don't usually get Cable cuts Under a sidewalk, usually its when a Construction crew us digging with major equipment.

The drops to the house are not going to be very deep, sometimes barely under the sod. 6" is a godsend.

osu1991

Yesterday at 10:48 PM

I'm fortunate to have 3 fiber providers now.

Cox and T mobile bored and put conduit in before pulling the fiber thru the easement in my neighborhood . Windstream Kinetic I can't remember if they pulled conduit first or not. I remember they didn't have a boring machine when they came thru my yard, they used that for the mainline crossing under the street but had a vibratory plow in my backyard. I remember seeing some blue conduit just don't remember where it was being used. Windstream barely put the fiber run from the pedestal to my house about 2 inches underground. Landscaper hit it while putting landscaping around the pedestal they added to my yard. I made sure they buried it at least 12 inches when they replaced it.

AEP/ PSO the electric company has their main distribution lines running on poles along the back of my property. Cox has their main distribution line hung on those poles before going underground through the neighborhood.

I'm in the middle of a damage claim and about to take them to court as insurance is trying to get out of it claiming the lines were too low. Had an oversized load get lost and try to turn around in an older neighborhood. Pulled down 5 blocks of fiber with separate fiber lines belonging to the city, Cox/Spectrum and ATT.

brice52

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reubenray said:
My area is very rocky, so there will be no shovels into the lines. Most of the lines were bored and the one's not bored where dug at least 18" deep. Cox had flagged my yard for them to dig up. But the foreman of the crew said he was not going to tear up my grass. He ended up installing the cable across the street at a vacant lot instead and bored the street for my pedestal. The line from the pedestal to my house could be damaged being it is fairly shallow.

No, but it is a coop. I am just a member and subscriber

Jimbo said:
Really, you Lucky Dog !

Do you Work for that ISP ?

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Scott Greczkowski

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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Please Come to Boston - Dave Loggins

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Come A Little Bit Closer - Jay and the Americans

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26 minutes ago · posted in Computers and Gadgets

Apple Appears to be Down

Hmmm, Apple iCloud appears to be missing from the Internet. Attempting to connect yields:

Plus, lots of prompts to enter my iCloud credentials.

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Bruce

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Last reply 51 minutes ago · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

How things have changed

I was reading this article

Cable TV ‘cord-cutters’ became the majority in 2022

The steady decline of cable and broadcast television, and the rise of streaming services, reached a sort of inflection point over the past year. Last summer, for the first time, streaming ser…

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That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.

Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.

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Bruce

Yesterday at 5:36 AM

According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 8:00 AM

Bruce said:
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.

That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.

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Bruce

Yesterday at 8:17 AM

Jimbo said:
That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.

Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?

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AZ.

Yesterday at 8:25 AM

Bruce said:
Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?

Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need a old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.

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Bruce

Yesterday at 11:08 AM

AZ. said:
Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need an old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.

But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.

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Bobby

Yesterday at 11:20 AM

Bruce said:
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.

Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.

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AZ.

Yesterday at 1:09 PM

Bobby said:
Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.

Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.

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TRG

Yesterday at 2:01 PM

Bruce said:
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.

People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish

Bruce

Yesterday at 2:14 PM

AZ. said:
Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.

Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 5:12 PM

TRG said:
People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees.

Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 5:13 PM

Bruce said:
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.

Quick Question, WITHOUT Looking it up ...
Who played in the World Series last year ?

Jimbo

Yesterday at 5:14 PM

Bruce said:
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.

True, but you had 2 Large Markets in it .

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Bruce

Yesterday at 7:30 PM

Jimbo said:
Quick Question, WITHOUT Looking it up ...
Who played in the World Series last year ?

Two MLB teams.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 7:35 PM

Bruce said:
Two MLB teams.

Now, having low numbers this past year doesn't surprise me at all, you had 2 teams that don't like to spend tons of money and they are not your Large markets.

TRG

Yesterday at 8:53 PM

Jimbo said:
Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...

I thought you might like that. :biggrin

Jimbo

51 minutes ago

Bruce said:
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.

I guess they should figure that out ... maybe not offer as much if they can't afford it next time.

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dfergie

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Last reply Today at 5:24 PM · posted in The Sports Section

Auto Racing 2026

New thread or keep this one?

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dfergie

Oct 9, 2026

Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…

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Yespage

Oct 16, 2026

Today is the anniversary of Dan Wheldon's passing at Las Vegas in a dreadful crash that luckily didn't take more drivers' lives. I vaguely remember the crash, but I more strongly remember Paul Tracy trying to keep it together as he left the Medical Center knowing that Dan most likely wasn't going to.

The safety in these vehicles is beyond incomprehensible, especially relative to what it was 60 years ago, when dying wasn't unexpected. But it is still very dangerous. I always scoff at the prayer invocations, but never scoff at the risks these drivers take and the emergency workers out there who might need to pull short of a miracle to save a driver's life.

dfergie said:
Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…

HBO Max has the live in car streaming without commercials, which provides an interesting take, but you are driving blind, knowing only what the team is telling the driver about what is happening on the track. The stages definitely ruin the NASCAR set up.

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Yespage

Oct 30, 2026

NASCAR is an abject mess, but at least it has Kyle Larson. Guy had the lead on the green/white checker, fell back to 12th or the like, kept his cool, and charged back to win with room to spare at the line. And win very cleanly!

NASCAR needs to stop racing at Talladega. Especially if they are going for elderly Sunday drives at the track! Stage racing is real stupid, but NASCAR should consider one half point a second per group gap as a bonus.

Foxbat

Nov 2, 2026

Congratulations to the youngest Formula 1 World Champion, 20-year old Kimi Antonelli! The podium at the Mexican Grand Prix featured three World Champions with 4-time World Champion Max Verstappen, 7-time World Champion Lewis Hamilton, and newly-crowned World Champion Kimi Antonelli. A dozen World Championships represented!

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TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Today at 5:22 PM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Security Now 1104

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!

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