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Hello, I apologize in advance for the long and potentially naive posting. The Directv web site used to have all sorts of information on DIY installations and most of that information seems to have disappeared. I do not currently have any DBS service, but would like to install it myself. Where can I get information for the novice on performing an installation - you know, something that contains diagrams and explains the type and number of multiswitches needed as well as the number of RG6 runs needed to support a certain # of receivers.

Specifically, I'm interested in the JadeWorld Chinese programming package from Directv. From the DTV website, it states that I would need a 18" x 20" multisatellite triple LNB antenna and a multi-satellite receiver. So, first question: in my neighborhood I still see plenty of homes with multiple round DBS dishes. I always assumed that these home had multiple dishes because they received some programming from a satellite in one direction and other programming from a different satellite in a totally different direction. Is it now the case that I can get all of the usual english language programming AND the chinese programming using one multisatellite dish? The DTV web site states that the single multisatellite dish can see satellites at 101, 110, and 119 degrees west long. I assume that this covers everything that DTV offers?

The single self-install .pdf file on DTV's site only describes how to install a non-multisatellite dish. Anyone know where I can find the multisatellite installation instructions? It sounds like the only real difference is setting the "tilt" of the dish.

Next, what's the relationship between the number of LNBs, # of receivers, and the # of RG6 runs that I need from the dish to the house? Unfortunately, the single self-install doc on DTV's web site is pretty simple and has no mention of multiswitches, their use, and their location.

Now I'll really demonstrate my ignorance. If I have a triple LNB multisatellite antenna, does that mean that I run three RG6 cables from the dish to the house? I assume that the three cables terminate at a multiswitch AFTER the grounding block.

So, what's the deal with multiswitches? If I want to hook the multi-satellite antenna to two receivers (one of which could be a PVR), then what will my cabling look like? I'm assuming three RG6's from the dish (each with a messaging wire?), into the grounding block, then three RG6s from the grounding block into a multiswitch (3 input multiswitch?), then two RG6s from the multiswitch (one to each receiver). Adding PVR or HD functionality doesn't affect the number of RG6 cables at any one of these hops right?

Regarding grounding of the dish. I plan on pole mounting my dish in the yard as that's the only place where I have line of site. I understand that the dish needs to be grounded and I've been looking at some dual-RG6 cabling that includes a messenger wire. Now my question is: if the dish is over 100 feet from the house on a pole mounted in the ground, do you still run the ground all the way to the house ground, do you ground it to a grounding stake out by the dish, or do you do both? Reading the installation guide, it's kind of vague to me - it does say the if you do a pole mount that the grounding wire needs to be attached to the pole using a grounding clamp, but I still assume that the other end of the grounding wire is to go all the way to the grounding block at the house? I'm assuming that you ground it at the house as I assume that grounding stakes are still supposed to be connected to the central building ground.

Another topic - due to line of sight issues, my antenna will actually be around 200 feet from the house. I've read plenty of posts from people who've managed such an install, some without amplifiers and some with. The installation manual from the DTV website is totally silent about RF levels and the use of amplifiers. Now, I work with a bunch of RF engineers, so while I don't understand it all, I can find someone who can. Now I understand that the LNBs are powered by the receiver. I assume that the cable length doesn't cause any problems getting the power to the LNBs, but that the length causes RF level problems due to attenuation. So if I want to do RF tuning, I can I lug an RF spectrum analyzer home. Since the RF spectrum analyzer isn't going to power the LNBs in place of the receivers, can I have one receiver powered on and connected to the RG6, and in place of the other receiver, hook up the spectrum analyzer? If so, what RF levels am I supposed to be shooting for? If my RF levels are too low due to attenuation due to the distance, where does one insert the amplifiers? The in-line amplifiers that I've seen don't seem to be powered, is that correct? assuming that the amplifiers are inserted between the dish and the multiswitch, I guess I might need three amplifiers since it's a triple LNB antenna?

From what I've read, a lot of you are professional installers. Where do you get your installation training manuals?
Thanks in advance.
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Anyone know where I can find the multisatellite installation instructions?
Should come in the Box when you get your equipment

It sounds like the only real difference is setting the "tilt" of the dish.
No, thats not the only Diffrence... When you power up your receiver you can find the Azimuth, Tilt, and Elev. in the MENU.

what's the relationship between the number of LNBs, # of receivers, and the # of RG6 runs that I need from the dish to the house?
Multi-sat dish will have 4 runs ( built in multi-switch )
You should run those down to 2 ground blocks ( grounds dish w/ msngr. wire and #10 Green to main house ground )
then from Ground blocks to each receiver ( Tivo's will take 2 lines in )


The DTV web site states that the single multisatellite dish can see satellites at 101, 110, and 119 degrees west long. I assume that this covers everything that DTV offers?
You should be able to get everything with the Multi-sat 18x20 as long as you are subscribed with directv when you activate the receivers... any receiver will pic up the channels as long as you are subscribed.

I assume that the three cables terminate at a multiswitch AFTER the grounding block.
you dont need a multi-switch after the ground block with multi-sat ( its built in to LNB) if you hook one up, it won't work, you confuse it )


my antenna will actually be around 200 feet from the house.
you may lose some signal strength with that distance, I am running 180' and carry a 95 signal, if you signal strenth is too low ( low 80's ) I would add an inline amp about 100' from the dish going to the ground block.

Where do you get your installation training manuals?
I am sure as most Trained Installers, when you go to get certified. Training material is given in class ( $200 ) and you are tested. you can check with the SBCA National Standards and Testing Program

Best of Luck,
ROB
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They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.😈. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!
Yup, I agree, I'd rather be 2 or 3 till the last few weeks.
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No idea what improvements might be involved.
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Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.
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Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"
Here's the one I need:
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Here's the one I need:
Just ordered one....that's great.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
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They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin
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It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.
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it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

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Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.
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Well if it is because of reliability that wouldnt shock me.I went through 5 or 6 of them in little over 2 years. I loved the Sling when it worked! Saved lots of money having it in the day. That was probably 15 or 16 years ago?
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I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.
I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.
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I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.
You are thinking of the 921. The 922 was the first DVR with Sling functionality built in (that was eventually disabled along with the Sling Adapter for the 722s and the 1st Hopper because they relied on now-defunct Adobe Flash technology). With the bugginess described by others and the removal of its marquee feature (Sling) the 922 faded into obscurity once the Hopper 2 with built in Sling was released and they finally made the concept into a fully functional product.
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I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Take It To The Limit - The Eagles
The two instances of "The" should have been highlighted.

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Me to the River - Talking Heads
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Blinded By The Light - Manfred Mann's Earth Band
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We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so... :)
Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...
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Fanta orange soda.
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Garlic cheese bread
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Stargate SG-1 cancelled, Atlantis renewed
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Monday - August 21, 2006 | by Darren Sumner
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The future of Stargate is in question today, as SCI FI Channel has cancelled the long-running Stargate SG-1, Multichannel News reported today and a GateWorld source has confirmed. The news regrettably follows the airing of the show's milestone two-hundredth episode on Friday.

Stargate Atlantis, meanwhile, has been renewed for a fourth season, with the network hoping to see that the spin-off series can stand alone, according to a source.
Source Gateworld
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The Tokra pt 1, I know pt 2 will be next...
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I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?
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I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?
Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.
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Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.
Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.