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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I have a question about my current situation:

I currently have a super dish, 811 HD, 625 DVR and 311 receiver. I'm scheduled to have an install tomorrow and upgrade my 625 to a 622, and trade in my 311 for a 211 HD. I'm using the dish n it upgrade program to upgrade my receivers. I was told I would need a 2nd satellite dish in order to receive the new HD channels which I'm fine with, but I was under the assumption that the install was free of charge with the upgrade?

Am I mistaken here? They are charging me $60 for the install.
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thowe21
I recently upgraded via "Dish it up" to a 622. They replaced my Dish 500 with a Dish 1000 and replaced my switch. The upgrade was completely free. You may want to call back and ask why the fee when you understood it was free. If you push the right buttons, you might get lucky.
KE4EST
Is nice to get things free, but $60 for what you are getting is not bad at all.
dishcomm
Is nice to get things free, but $60 for what you are getting is not bad at all.
It is that expectatation (an unreasonable one IMO) by custs that EVERYTHING involvoing EQ and the install should be "free" is what makes this business a pain the ass for those of us in the field.
We are the only trade type industry where gettting ful value for work performed is not allowed by the seller...
Yes, one could say choose another industry. Question: what would happen if all the good hardworking techs decided to leave the business?.
With costs of materials, fuel, wear and tear on vehicles rising and no additional revenue provided to cover these expenses, the sat co's are going to have to make a decsision. E* and D* will either have to bring all work in house OR they will have to start passingt costs along to the consumer. Cable does it in the form of yearly 5-6% rate increases. We'll see I guess.
TheKrell
With costs of materials, fuel, wear and tear on vehicles rising and no additional revenue provided to cover these expenses, the sat co's are going to have to make a decsision. E* and D* will either have to bring all work in house OR they will have to start passingt costs along to the consumer.
I moved 2.5 years ago and went with the Dish Mover program. The first brain-dead tech who came out to do the antenna install first showed up on the wrong day, took down the previous homeowner's DirectTV dish, and disconnected my cable modem (which also unplugged my 3 VoIP telephone lines and my servers in the basement) before I could come home and tell him to stop. Three more techs and a month later, I finally gave up and finished the job right myself, including fishing new cables through walls, drilling holes, and in general doing a professional installation that I could be proud of.

Obviously (to you!) I was expecting way too much from the Dish Mover program. One of the 4 techs told me that he made $25/job on these E* installations. It is no wonder that these techs are marginally trained and do slap-dash jobs. $25/job is not a living wage in this part of the country (Washington DC area), even if the truck and equipment was all provided for the tech. He has to fit so many installs into each day that there is no way he could do a neat and professional job. Crawl through the attic? Drill holes? No time for that.

I recently installed Sky Angel for my mother who lives in Tennessee. I failed to check on the transponders on 61.5 before showing up at her house, and I didn't realize that the 1st 8 transponders were dead. As a consequence, I couldn't find 61.5 to save my life! So I called up a local tech who aligned the dish for me in about 5 minutes, charing $50. (I gave him $60 in cash.) Now that's a more reasonable fee for service.

Well, now. I just checked dbstalk for channel assignments, and it shows transponders 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, and 8 as living. Now why did 1-8 all show up wiith zero signal strength on various receivers between Christmas and New Years? Hmmm.
dishcomm
I moved 2.5 years ago and went with the Dish Mover program. The first brain-dead tech who came out to do the antenna install first showed up on the wrong day, took down the previous homeowner's DirectTV dish, and disconnected my cable modem (which also unplugged my 3 VoIP telephone lines and my servers in the basement) before I could come home and tell him to stop. Three more techs and a month later, I finally gave up and finished the job right myself, including fishing new cables through walls, drilling holes, and in general doing a professional installation that I could be proud of.

Obviously (to you!) I was expecting way too much from the Dish Mover program. One of the 4 techs told me that he made $25/job on these E* installations. It is no wonder that these techs are marginally trained and do slap-dash jobs. $25/job is not a living wage in this part of the country (Washington DC area), even if the truck and equipment was all provided for the tech. He has to fit so many installs into each day that there is no way he could do a neat and professional job. Crawl through the attic? Drill holes? No time for that.

I recently installed Sky Angel for my mother who lives in Tennessee. I failed to check on the transponders on 61.5 before showing up at her house, and I didn't realize that the 1st 8 transponders were dead. As a consequence, I couldn't find 61.5 to save my life! So I called up a local tech who aligned the dish for me in about 5 minutes, charing $50. (I gave him $60 in cash.) Now that's a more reasonable fee for service.

Well, now. I just checked dbstalk for channel assignments, and it shows transponders 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, and 8 as living. Now why did 1-8 all show up wiith zero signal strength on various receivers between Christmas and New Years? Hmmm.
'Excuse me...where did you read in my psot anythng to that effect..You had a rough time with an incompetent installer who knew what not to do and went ahead an did it...you're right..The guy did a lousy job..What does that have to do with rising costs and no corresponding rise in available revenue?...Got a question..If you owned a business and your costs kept rising, would you NOT pass those costs along to your customers?..If you say no, you are either a philanthropist or you should not own a business.
I am wondering why you decided to take aone sentence out of my post and use it out of context....Byut then again I should not be surprised. The menatlity of the American consumer is not how much value am I paying for but how little can I pay to get that value..Never mind the fact that someone has to pay for that value to get to market.
Now that fee for the Dish mover is a carrot and stick to the customer to keep the service..I get paid as though it were a new connect on a DM..So the fee you has nothing to do with the amount I make..Here's why....It cost E* $704 for each new subscriber in 2006..E* is willing to pay for an install in order to keep that customer. So the tech didn't fod a poor job because of the amount he was to paid, he just didn't know what he was doing or he didn't care. The tech that told you he was getting $25 per dish mover is either full of sh*t or he is working for a contractor that is ripping off their techs.. Trust me, Dish is paying the contractor for an install. Unfortunately ther are coontratcors in this business that are out solely for themsleves...They do things that are in direct violation of state and federal labor laws..It hurts the business. But these peopep do not care.So the cusiomer gets victimized by shoddy work and crummy customer service. Iam fortunate to work for a contractor that treats us well...That encourages us to do the highest quality work. In fact we are called upon by Dish to go behind other contractors work to check it out....
So before you go jumping down throats, do a little homework....Got that!
TheKrell
'Excuse me...where did you read in my psot anythng to that effect..You had a rough time with an incompetent installer who knew what not to do and went ahead an did it...you're right..The guy did a lousy job..What does that have to do with rising costs and no corresponding rise in available revenue?
Huh? Dishcomm, I was trying to agree with you! I don't know what techs make in reality, but the $25/job that I was quoted makes sense given the slap-dash job these 4 different techs did at my place. Did Dish pay A1 some astronomical sum, and they pocketed it and gave their techs only $25? Don't know. Did each of the 4 techs get $25? In my one Dishmover case, it's clear to me that Dish (or A1) could have given one tech $100 for the job and it probably would have gotten done right the first time. After the 1st joker came and went (oh BTW he wanted to charge me $100 for the 2nd dish), I called up Dish and told them to give me anybody but another tech from A1. But they had some exclusive deal and wouldn't do it. :(
dishcomm
Huh? Dishcomm, I was trying to agree with you! I don't know what techs make in reality, but the $25/job that I was quoted makes sense given the slap-dash job these 4 different techs did at my place. Did Dish pay A1 some astronomical sum, and they pocketed it and gave their techs only $25? Don't know. Did each of the 4 techs get $25? In my one Dishmover case, it's clear to me that Dish (or A1) could have given one tech $100 for the job and it probably would have gotten done right the first time. After the 1st joker came and went (oh BTW he wanted to charge me $100 for the 2nd dish), I called up Dish and told them to give me anybody but another tech from A1. But they had some exclusive deal and wouldn't do it. :(
Ok..I get a little cranky when I think I see us good people get lumped in with the poopheads..Apologies...
M
I recently upgraded via "Dish it up" to a 622. They replaced my Dish 500 with a Dish 1000 and replaced my switch. The upgrade was completely free. You may want to call back and ask why the fee when you understood it was free. If you push the right buttons, you might get lucky.

It's not about pushing buttons or getting lucky, the 60 is probably for a 118.7 install for local channels in hd, should be able to waive it though, I do. Call and ask them where they can tell you where we can only speculate.
dishcomm
It's not about pushing buttons or getting lucky, the 60 is probably for a 118.7 install for local channels in hd, should be able to waive it though, I do. Call and ask them where they can tell you where we can only speculate.
correct. the upgrade fee is pay for the dish 1000 plus..It is a much more coastly piece of EQ that also includes a DPP 44 switch..That switch retails fro $199..So the 60 bucks is quite a bargain...The very idea that no matter what the upgrade. no matter what the EQ requested, there are some customers that think they are entitled to all of it free of charge leaves me scratching my head.....
Stargazer
Wow a 622 for only $60 with a Dish1000 upgrade? That is getting by cheap! That is wholesale cost of the Dish1000. I think the Dish1000 Plus is around $200 but they would expect the lnbf back if you disconnect service so it is still more of an install fee than anything. The DPP44 switches are going for $100 on ebay even and I think the retail for about $150-200. You could probably fetch about $50-60 for that SuperDish on ebay with it's DP-34 switch. Seems like a bargain to me. If I could get it that cheap I would.
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Since the Reds have there thread we should too!

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osu1991
Star Wars Despecialized Edition

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Just watched Napoleon. Good night.....all of those young men dying for the egos of their leaders. Now we can kill at a distance, back then you saw the man you were killing eye to eye.
osu1991

View: https://youtu.be/0B5v6QZ5R3g?is=uXG8Z3-HITRAwxOm



Demolition Man was this afternoon's entertainment.
long_time_Dish
The rat burger and the three shells...yep, that was good stuff! :biggrin
Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Little Bitty Pretty One -- Thurston Harris
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osu1991
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Foxbat
Apparently I'm not a big enough nerd🤓 since I did not read every Marvel Comic Book ever published. If I had, I might be comparing the comics' version of events compared to what's transpiring in "Visionquest". So, I am enjoying the series a lot, not weighed down by previous expectations, knowing only the Avengers MCU movies and the "Wandavision" / "Agatha All Along" TV series.

I found the Mr Know-it-All channel from his discussion about "Star Trek: Strange New Worlds" and he's been gleefully picking these episodes apart, referencing the Marvel comics from the 1939 on. Turns out A.I. has been around since before World War II, at least in the comics. (Robots before that, yes, yes.) This show is going back into the archives.
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I'm expecting the finale to basically bring Vision into play for the Doomsday movie next month.
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osu1991
annoying they went with single episodes for the last two after releasing two a week for the first 3 weeks
Foxbat
annoying they went with single episodes for the last two after releasing two a week for the first 3 weeks
I thought they were effectively releasing a longer episode 7 and 8 instead of shorter episodes 7 & 8 this week and 9 & 10 next week. It felt like they were packing more into this episode.

edit: But you're right, the run time of the first three pairs of episodes was 100 minutes on average. Episode 7 clocks in at 65 minutes. 😕
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osu1991
FYI…there are after credit scenes in the finale
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ewindowman
Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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comfortably_numb

Too bad their service is expensive and their coverage sucks compared to the other two of the Big 3
Juan
Too bad their service is expensive and their coverage sucks compared to the other two of the Big 3
Was that a back door compliment for Verizon?
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comfortably_numb
Was that a back door compliment for Verizon?

And TMO. If anybody's lagging behind the most, it's ATT.
ERSanders
The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!
Juan
The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!
I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS
dishdude
I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS

And Steve Jobs stole the mouse and GUI
ERSanders
The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!
Actually I survived despite them for 31 years and two expait assignments. But the quest for the current quarter's profits doomed long term vision, planning and actions.
S
I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS
He bought that for $50,000. What he bought was originally called QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System) from Seattle Computer Products which was designed to be similar to CP/M - an OS for the Intel 8080. Seems like a decent investment. ;-)

There have been claims that the original developer of QDOS stole CP/M code and according to legend there is some command that you can type into MS-DOS that makes it print the name of the developer of CP/M, thus proving theft, but no one seems to know what that command actually is. ;-)
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fmj77
And TMO. If anybody's lagging behind the most, it's ATT.
ATT has the best service by far in my area, with Verizon being a distant second. T Mobile service is non-existent in these parts.
comfortably_numb
ATT has the best service by far in my area

I've never been to NC, but I can't think of anyplace in the Midwest or West where AT&T outperforms Verizon or T-Mobile, it seems to me they just don't have as many towers here
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G
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
After a strange reboot last night in the middle of viewing, this morning several more reboots and about a half an hour download.
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Almighty1
Just did the update check manually about an hour ago with Hopper 3 on H713 and Hopper Plus on P15403.
Noticed something new when I clicked on the Update Software, it presented a pop-up as follows:
"Update software 1573
Update later Update now Cancel" with those three buttons which did not exist before.

After updating the H715 - I guess there must be major bugs as both H709 and H714 were skipped.

So here are the issue(s):

Issue #1
It did fix the problem with H713 which was:
"One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software."

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency so H711 and H712 were working without that dependency but H713 brought it back which is fixed in H715 as no P versions or Android TV versions are shown in the Available Joey Software on the main Diagnostics screen.
However, with that said, the TECHNICIAN SETTINGS, Download ATV (Android TV) Files is not working correctly as the Download ATV Files shows:
"Download ATV Files 3000
Download in progress. This operation will be
complete when the files are downloaded

Joey 4 : P554- Failed
Joey 4 : P55403- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P654- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P65403- Complete
HopperPlus : P154- Complete
HopperPlus : P15403- Failed

OK"
From what I can tell, each of them goes through the Downloading followed by the Processing stages first before it goes into the Failed or Complete stage. It seemed to be going in a loop earlier as it will start downloading from the first item being the Joey 4 each time before it eventually stopped. This is the first time ever since 2023 that I had ever seen it Failed.

With that said, the dependency appears to still be required for the Hopper Plus to check, download and update the Android TV software as it says Failed, No Target when going to "Device Preferences", About, "Software Update"

Issue #2
Still cannot cast to Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus(Software P15317) with the Hopper Plus "Google Chromecast Built-In" feature" as it shows up as a casting device when the Hopper Plus is online and disappears when the Hopper 3 and Hopper Plus does it's nightly reboots but times out when one tries to cast to it and always shows up as Not available in the Google Home app on Android phone. No one else anywhere on the internet had confirmed whether it is working for them or not. Per brittanygarden in DM on October 16, 2026:
"We've been working with Google on this. We have a fix on the Google side projected for Q4. I know we're in Q4 now, but I will try to get a narrowed down timeline for you."

brittanygarden and Rick Durham

jsmit86 and naptime - If you are able to use H715, does the issue mentioned below still exist?
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jsmit86
Just did the update check manually about an hour ago with Hopper 3 on H713 and Hopper Plus on P15403.
Noticed something new when I clicked on the Update Software, it presented a pop-up as follows:
"Update software 1573
Update later Update now Cancel" with those three buttons which did not exist before.

After updating the H715 - I guess there must be major bugs as both H709 and H714 were skipped.

So here are the issue(s):

Issue #1
It did fix the problem with H713 which was:
"One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software."

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency so H711 and H712 were working without that dependency but H713 brought it back which is fixed in H715 as no P versions or Android TV versions are shown in the Available Joey Software on the main Diagnostics screen.
However, with that said, the TECHNICIAN SETTINGS, Download ATV (Android TV) Files is not working correctly as the Download ATV Files shows:
"Download ATV Files 3000
Download in progress. This operation will be
complete when the files are downloaded

Joey 4 : P554- Failed
Joey 4 : P55403- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P654- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P65403- Complete
HopperPlus : P154- Complete
HopperPlus : P15403- Failed

OK"
From what I can tell, each of them goes through the Downloading followed by the Processing stages first before it goes into the Failed or Complete stage. It seemed to be going in a loop earlier as it will start downloading from the first item being the Joey 4 each time before it eventually stopped. This is the first time ever since 2023 that I had ever seen it Failed.

With that said, the dependency appears to still be required for the Hopper Plus to check, download and update the Android TV software as it says Failed, No Target when going to "Device Preferences", About, "Software Update"

Issue #2
Still cannot cast to Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus(Software P15317) with the Hopper Plus "Google Chromecast Built-In" feature" as it shows up as a casting device when the Hopper Plus is online and disappears when the Hopper 3 and Hopper Plus does it's nightly reboots but times out when one tries to cast to it and always shows up as Not available in the Google Home app on Android phone. No one else anywhere on the internet had confirmed whether it is working for them or not. Per brittanygarden in DM on October 16, 2026:
"We've been working with Google on this. We have a fix on the Google side projected for Q4. I know we're in Q4 now, but I will try to get a narrowed down timeline for you."

brittanygarden and Rick Durham

jsmit86 and naptime - If you are able to use H715, does the issue mentioned below still exist?
I have not been updated to 715 yet. I am on a QE "Beta" or Test version that did fix the audio issue. The last communication I had with the team mentioned that the full release of that fix was likely in December.
It would be nice to know if 715 does solve that issue of no audio when Dolby is ON, during 4K HDR events.
Almighty1
I have not been updated to 715 yet. I am on a QE "Beta" or Test version that did fix the audio issue. The last communication I had with the team mentioned that the full release of that fix was likely in December.
It would be nice to know if 715 does solve that issue of no audio when Dolby is ON, during 4K HDR events.
Interesting, is QE "Beta" or Test version different than the H708 you had mentioned that they rolled you back to or is that a newer version after that?
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Interesting, is QE "Beta" or Test version different than the H708 you had mentioned that they rolled you back to or is that a newer version after that?
I think it is, but I am not aware of specific differences.
My original communication of the issue was very detailed, and they had the team work on it and felt they knew what was causing the issue.
The rollback to 708 confirmed that 708 did not have that problem.
I got an email in late October asking if I would be open to checking if a beta version had the problem. I agreed to the test, and it did not have the dolby problem.
david_jr
Not sure if it was this update or a previous one, but both my H3's had the bug where I couldn't use FF without screwing up the recording permanently. If I tried 60X for instance it would fast forward for a bit then go to the end of the recording and not let me get back to where I was trying to get no matter what. The temp fix was to use the skip ahead which for whatever reason still worked. Annoying having to skip ahead through 8 minutes or so of commercials on live sports talk recordings. Well it is now fixed, but not sure when that happened because I haven't had the nerve to try FF until this last week when I discovered it had been fixed. Working properly now on both my H3's. However my Dish Anywhere app is still not allowing me to use both H3's as feeds out. Tested this again a few days ago with my son and we both couldn't watch at the same time, even though we were connected to the other H3. If he was using DA and I attempted to use it with the other H3, it would bring up a message stating another user was using DA and do you want to take over. Very frustrating hoping they fix this soon.
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Bobby
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.

As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
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Bobby
CFB, Wisconsin at Iowa, Saturday 10-31, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Arizona St at BYU, Saturday 10-31, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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CFB, Alabama at LSU, Saturday 11-7, 12:30PM PST, Channel 148-03.
Bobby
CFB, UCLA at Minnesota, Saturday 11-7, 9AM PST, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Iowa at Northwestern, Saturday 11-7, 4:30PM PST, Channel 148-01.
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CFB, Texas at LSU, Saturday 11-14, 4:30PM PST, Channel 148-03.
Bobby
CFB, Northwestern at Ohio St, Saturday 11-14, 9AM PST, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Utah at Arizona, Saturday 11-14, 4:30PM PST, Channel 148-01.
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Foxbat
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Last reply · posted in Computers and Gadgets
Hmmm, Apple iCloud appears to be missing from the Internet. Attempting to connect yields:
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Plus, lots of prompts to enter my iCloud credentials.
1794356039809.webp​
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K
I'm not seeing any issues.
meStevo
looks like an incident is clearing up


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The Apple Support System Status page is showing mostly green now, with Resolved status for the outage that started 17:49 and ended around 19:22 (I guess EST)
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Bruce
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Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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In my area Cox (now Spectrum) has run everything underground instead of on poles.
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Jimbo
In my area Cox (now Spectrum) has run everything underground instead of on poles.
Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
Bobby
Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
In my local area all underground utilities are under the sidewalk. Of course from there, when entering your property, They are at least 18" in your dirt.
Jimbo
In my local area all underground utilities are under the sidewalk. Of course from there, when entering your property, They are at least 18" in your dirt.
I bet MOST of them are NOT 18", they may suppose to be, but I doubt they are .

Edison is definitely deep enough, but thats the only one ...
B
Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
My fiber isp put everything in conduit, except for the drop line to the NID and it it buried 10 inches
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Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
My area is very rocky, so there will be no shovels into the lines. Most of the lines were bored and the one's not bored where dug at least 18" deep. Cox had flagged my yard for them to dig up. But the foreman of the crew said he was not going to tear up my grass. He ended up installing the cable across the street at a vacant lot instead and bored the street for my pedestal. The line from the pedestal to my house could be damaged being it is fairly shallow.
Jimbo
My fiber isp put everything in conduit, except for the drop line to the NID and it it buried 10 inches
Really, you Lucky Dog !

Do you Work for that ISP ? :biggrin
Bobby
I bet MOST of them are NOT 18", they may suppose to be, but I doubt they are .

Edison is definitely deep enough, but thats the only one ...
I did the underground trench utility designs for 9 years. Gas and electric were 24". Telephone and CATV were 18". These were for new construction. Add on construction could be anywhere. All of the utilities went from their terminal points to a common utility point on the house. They were in a single trench.
So, if theres a issue with any buried line, the sidewalk needs to be dug up as well ???
That sucks.
Sometimes…. electric and CATV are in conduit so replacement is pretty easy. Telephone, specifically Pacific Telephone, Pacific Bell, SBC, ATT are direct buried and use encap termination directly onto the feed cable. That is always a sidewalk digup.
Jimbo
I did the underground trench utility designs for 9 years. Gas and electric were 24". Telephone and CATV were 18". These were for new construction. Add on construction could be anywhere. All of the utilities went from their terminal points to a common utility point on the house. They were in a single trench.

Sometimes…. electric and CATV are in conduit so replacement is pretty easy. Telephone, specifically Pacific Telephone, Pacific Bell, SBC, ATT are direct buried and use encap termination directly onto the feed cable. That is always a sidewalk digup.
Ok, your talking in the right of way ...
I thought you were talking about from the ped to the houses.

Fortunately you don't usually get Cable cuts Under a sidewalk, usually its when a Construction crew us digging with major equipment.

The drops to the house are not going to be very deep, sometimes barely under the sod. 6" is a godsend.
osu1991
I'm fortunate to have 3 fiber providers now.

Cox and T mobile bored and put conduit in before pulling the fiber thru the easement in my neighborhood . Windstream Kinetic I can't remember if they pulled conduit first or not. I remember they didn't have a boring machine when they came thru my yard, they used that for the mainline crossing under the street but had a vibratory plow in my backyard. I remember seeing some blue conduit just don't remember where it was being used. Windstream barely put the fiber run from the pedestal to my house about 2 inches underground. Landscaper hit it while putting landscaping around the pedestal they added to my yard. I made sure they buried it at least 12 inches when they replaced it.

AEP/ PSO the electric company has their main distribution lines running on poles along the back of my property. Cox has their main distribution line hung on those poles before going underground through the neighborhood.

I'm in the middle of a damage claim and about to take them to court as insurance is trying to get out of it claiming the lines were too low. Had an oversized load get lost and try to turn around in an older neighborhood. Pulled down 5 blocks of fiber with separate fiber lines belonging to the city, Cox/Spectrum and ATT.
B
My area is very rocky, so there will be no shovels into the lines. Most of the lines were bored and the one's not bored where dug at least 18" deep. Cox had flagged my yard for them to dig up. But the foreman of the crew said he was not going to tear up my grass. He ended up installing the cable across the street at a vacant lot instead and bored the street for my pedestal. The line from the pedestal to my house could be damaged being it is fairly shallow.
No, but it is a coop. I am just a member and subscriber
Really, you Lucky Dog !

Do you Work for that ISP ? :biggrin
Bruce
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I was reading this article


That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.


Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
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According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.
Bruce
That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.
Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?
AZ.
AZ.
Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?
Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need a old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.
Bruce
Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need an old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
Bobby
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.
AZ.
AZ.
Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.
Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.
TRG
TRG
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.

People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish :biggrin
Bruce
Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
Jimbo
People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish :biggrin
Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...
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Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
Quick Question, WITHOUT Looking it up ...
Who played in the World Series last year ?
Jimbo
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
True, but you had 2 Large Markets in it .
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Quick Question, WITHOUT Looking it up ...
Who played in the World Series last year ?
Two MLB teams.
Jimbo
Two MLB teams.
Now, having low numbers this past year doesn't surprise me at all, you had 2 teams that don't like to spend tons of money and they are not your Large markets.
TRG
TRG
Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...
I thought you might like that. :biggrin
Jimbo
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
I guess they should figure that out ... maybe not offer as much if they can't afford it next time.
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Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
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Today is the anniversary of Dan Wheldon's passing at Las Vegas in a dreadful crash that luckily didn't take more drivers' lives. I vaguely remember the crash, but I more strongly remember Paul Tracy trying to keep it together as he left the Medical Center knowing that Dan most likely wasn't going to.

The safety in these vehicles is beyond incomprehensible, especially relative to what it was 60 years ago, when dying wasn't unexpected. But it is still very dangerous. I always scoff at the prayer invocations, but never scoff at the risks these drivers take and the emergency workers out there who might need to pull short of a miracle to save a driver's life.
Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
HBO Max has the live in car streaming without commercials, which provides an interesting take, but you are driving blind, knowing only what the team is telling the driver about what is happening on the track. The stages definitely ruin the NASCAR set up.
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NASCAR is an abject mess, but at least it has Kyle Larson. Guy had the lead on the green/white checker, fell back to 12th or the like, kept his cool, and charged back to win with room to spare at the line. And win very cleanly!

NASCAR needs to stop racing at Talladega. Especially if they are going for elderly Sunday drives at the track! Stage racing is real stupid, but NASCAR should consider one half point a second per group gap as a bonus.
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Congratulations to the youngest Formula 1 World Champion, 20-year old Kimi Antonelli! The podium at the Mexican Grand Prix featured three World Champions with 4-time World Champion Max Verstappen, 7-time World Champion Lewis Hamilton, and newly-crowned World Champion Kimi Antonelli. A dozen World Championships represented!